2020 US Presidential Election (aka: The Trump Coronation)

Silentcorner

What will happen if there is a surge in Covid as a consequence of the protests/riots?

Whose fault will that be, considering they are mostly occurring in cities run by Democrats?

Even more interesting, what will happen if there is no Covid surge, how was the extended lockdown justified?

DeanAustin

MadYaker wrote: »

I wouldn’t mind if trump got a second term. Biden would be better for America but awfully boring for us.

If I could be sure he wouldn't cause a war or deaths, I'd be alright with him getting a second term. He's utterly unfit for office and I detest much about him but I wake up most mornings wondering what crazy things he's done the day before. He's pure box office.

Carfacemandog

Trump compared to Hitler... by his own ex secretary of defense, whom he himself appointed.

“The Nazi slogan for destroying us…was ‘Divide and Conquer.’ Our American answer is ‘In Union there is Strength.’”

“Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people — does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us.”

duploelabs

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Trump compared to Hitler... by his own ex secretary of defense, whom he himself appointed.

“The Nazi slogan for destroying us…was ‘Divide and Conquer.’ Our American answer is ‘In Union there is Strength.’”

“Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people — does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us.”

And that's the crux of it. I don't think anyone on either side (pro or anti Trump) could deny that the country is now more divided since the 60s, yet Trump has done nothing to reach across the divide or look for unity.

ohnonotgmail

duploelabs wrote: »

And that's the crux of it. I don't think anyone on either side (pro or anti Trump) could deny that the country is now more divided since the 60s, yet Trump has done nothing to reach across the divide or look for unity.

he has done everything he can to further the divide.

Billy Mays

How many former members of staff is that he's had a go at?

For someone who only hires the best people he seems to hire a lot an awful lot of sh!t people

ohnonotgmail

So when is trump going to declare the boogaloo boys a terrorists? 3 of them charged with terrorist offences and another charged after attempting to hunt down and kill a cop.

Silentcorner

duploelabs wrote: »

And that's the crux of it. I don't think anyone on either side (pro or anti Trump) could deny that the country is now more divided since the 60s, yet Trump has done nothing to reach across the divide or look for unity.

Actually, I believe he asked African Americans to vote for him because they have nothing left to lose...literacy rates, single parent families, completely absent fathers all take a huge toll on community cohesion and moral, Obama himself recognised this but did very little....voting for Democrats overwhelmingly is not delivering for them, that much is clear.

Yes the country is divided, but is is race lines or class lines?

duploelabs

Silentcorner wrote: »

Actually, I believe he asked African Americans to vote for him because they have nothing left to lose...literacy rates, single parent families, completely absent fathers all take a huge toll on community cohesion and moral, Obama himself recognised this but did very little....voting for Democrats overwhelmingly is not delivering for them, that much is clear.

Yes the country is divided, but is is race lines or class lines?

Did I mention Class or Race?

Silentcorner

duploelabs wrote: »

Did I mention Class or Race?

Did I say you did...

duploelabs

Silentcorner wrote: »

Did I say you did...

'Across the divide' is what I said, what (in american politics) does that pertain to?

Silentcorner

duploelabs wrote: »

'Across the divide' is what I said, what (in american politics) does that pertain to?

Political divide.

duploelabs

Silentcorner wrote: »

Political divide.

Gold star for you! So back to my point, what has Donald Trump done to reach across the divide to unite the nation in the face of chaos?

Boggles

duploelabs wrote: »

Gold star for you! So back to my point, what has Donald Trump done to reach across the divide to unite the nation in the face of chaos?

Ah. He did this.

Not quite sure what this is, old confused man gropes a book.



I don't think I will ever get sick of that Gif.

Silentcorner

duploelabs wrote: »

Gold star for you! So back to my point, what has Donald Trump done to reach across the divide to unite the nation in the face of chaos?

Well it's a bit much to blame Trump on 40 years of chaos, what we are seeing at the moment is the politicizing of a particularly brutal incident the perpetrator of which was sacked and arrested as quick as possible.

I don't think Trump is reacting to the politicizing of the protests/riots particularly well but to be fair, there is an ongoing pandemic (which was also politicized) and now mass protests all putting people's lives at risk not to mention the further economic damage....he is in a lose lose situation...no matter what he does he is wrong.

These are unprecendented times, I think Trump is in over his head given his divisive style and political capabilities....but the behaviour of Democrats and media is disturbing to say the least.

duploelabs

Silentcorner wrote: »

Well it's a bit much to blame Trump on 40 years of chaos, what we are seeing at the moment is the politicizing of a particularly brutal incident the perpetrator of which was sacked and arrested as quick as possible.

These Riots haven't been going on for 40 years

Silentcorner wrote: »

I don't think Trump is reacting to the politicizing of the protests/riots particularly well but to be fair, there is an ongoing pandemic (which was also politicized) and now mass protests all putting people's lives at risk not to mention the further economic damage....he is in a lose lose situation...no matter what he does he is wrong.

These are unprecendented times, I think Trump is in over his head given his divisive style and political capabilities....but the behaviour of Democrats and media is disturbing to say the least.

So reaching across the divide, or even an address from the oval room to plead for calm and unity would do nothing????

Quin_Dub

Boggles wrote: »

Ah. He did this.

Not quite sure what this is, old confused man gropes a book.



I don't think I will ever get sick of that Gif.

As bizarre as it looked , it had the desired effect among some of its target audience

He wears the armour of God!

Not every Christian answered the call. The Rev Gini Gerbasi, an Episcopal priest, said police used teargas to drive her and others from St John’s before Trump’s appearance. “They turned holy ground into a battleground,” she told Religion News Service.

But many of Trump’s evangelical supporters, far from Washingtons political stage, saw the move as a victory in a world rife with evil.

“My whole family was flabbergasted,” said Benjamin Horbowy, 37.

The Horbowys had gathered in Tallahassee, Florida, to watch live as Trump walked from the White House to St John’s. “My mother just shouted out, ‘God give him strength! He’s doing a Jericho walk!’”

A Jericho walk, in some evangelical circles, refers to the biblical book of Joshua, where God commanded the Israelites to walk seven times around the opposing city of Jericho, whose walls then came crashing down.

Horbowy already supported Trump politically – he heads the local chapter of a pro- Trump motorcycle club and is campaigning for a seat in Florida’s state senate – but when Trump lifted the Bible, Horbowy and his family felt overcome spiritually.

“My mother started crying. She comes from Pentecostal background, and she started speaking in tongues. I haven’t heard her speak in tongues in years,” he said. “I thought, look at my president! He’s establishing the Lord’s kingdom in the world.”

Did he feel that conflicted with the Gospel of John, where Jesus said “my kingdom is not of this world”?

“Well,” Horbowy said, “that’s a philosophical question.”

As I said previously , his actions have not won him any new voters , but they have certainly revved up some of his existing ones.

Personally speaking I find that report more than a little disturbing (regardless of the political persuasions) - It's Cult behaviour and a little scary if I'm honest.

Silentcorner

duploelabs wrote: »

These Riots haven't been going on for 40 years



So reaching across the divide, or even an address from the oval room to plead for calm and unity would do nothing????

There has been rioting in the US going back to the 60s.

Ya I think it would help, but let's be honest, he isn't the most articulate or inspiring.

And I'm not sure the national media infrastructure would get behind any message of unity given their behaviour over the last number of years.

I would have thought that Community leaders would have a greater impact, clearly there is a percentage of white "liberals" who have an appalling opinion on the ability of African Americans to be able to address their own issues ....mind you given Barak Obama's track record of assisting his own city of Chicago...maybe it is time that African Americans started voting in different city/state/national politicians...that would be a change at least!

duploelabs

Silentcorner wrote: »

There has been rioting in the US going back to the 60s.

Ya I think it would help, but let's be honest, he isn't the most articulate or inspiring.

And I'm not sure the national media infrastructure would get behind any message of unity given their behaviour over the last number of years.

I would have thought that Community leaders would have a greater impact, clearly there is a percentage of white "liberals" who have an appalling opinion on the ability of African Americans to be able to address their own issues ....mind you given Barak Obama's track record of assisting his own city of Chicago...maybe it is time that African Americans started voting in different city/state/national politicians...that would be a change at least!

Oh yes, the 'But Obama' defence. Always solid.
Are all the press partisan? Even Cspan or reuters?

The Nal

Silentcorner wrote: »

There has been rioting in the US going back to the 60s.

There has been rioting in the US going back to the 1700s. Race riots, a lot of Irish involved too throughout the years.

Billy Mays

He's doing a Jericho walk:pac: :pac:

Mentallers

extra gravy

Quin_Dub wrote: »

As bizarre as it looked , it had the desired effect among some of its target audience

Those nutters were going to vote for him anyway whatever happens whereas anyone with half a brain that's still on the fence wouldn't have been swayed by such nonsense. Biden doesn't even need to do ads, Trump is doing all the work for him.

dark crystal

Quin_Dub wrote: »

As bizarre as it looked , it had the desired effect among some of its target audience

He wears the armour of God!



As I said previously , his actions have not won him any new voters , but they have certainly revved up some of his existing ones.

Personally speaking I find that report more than a little disturbing (regardless of the political persuasions) - It's Cult behaviour and a little scary if I'm honest.

The utter hypocrisy of them! A thrice married adulterer, who boasted about sexually assaulting women and who rode a porn star with a wife and baby at home and they still perceive him as a 'holy' vessel??

I'd love to know what bible they're reading :pac:

Carfacemandog

Quin_Dub wrote: »

As bizarre as it looked , it had the desired effect among some of its target audience

He wears the armour of God!



As I said previously , his actions have not won him any new voters , but they have certainly revved up some of his existing ones.

Personally speaking I find that report more than a little disturbing (regardless of the political persuasions) - It's Cult behaviour and a little scary if I'm honest.

It's been clear cult behaviour for years. He could have pulled his pants down, shat in the steps to the church, ripped up the Bible and used the pages to wipe his arse with and those same people would clap and cheer for it.

Carfacemandog

dark crystal wrote: »

The utter hypocrisy of them! A thrice married adulterer, who boasted about sexually assaulting women and who rode a porn star with a wife and baby at home and they still perceive him as a 'holy' vessel??

I'd love to know what bible they're reading :pac:

It's pretty simple: he dog whistles towards racism, which is literally what the religious right were founded upon - having to share schools, even private ones, with black kids (not abortion, which they were largely OK with at the time of Roe v. Wade).

They were literally too racist even for Nixon despite his 'Southern Strategy' approach, but a few years later Reagan was more than happy to legitimize them.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/religious-right-real-origins-107133

Both before and for several years after Roe, evangelicals were overwhelmingly indifferent to the subject, which they considered a “Catholic issue.” In 1968, for instance, a symposium sponsored by the Christian Medical Society and Christianity Today, the flagship magazine of evangelicalism, refused to characterize abortion as sinful, citing “individual health, family welfare, and social
responsibility” as justifications for ending a pregnancy.
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In May 1969, a group of African-American parents in Holmes County, Mississippi, sued the Treasury Department to prevent three new whites-only K-12 private academies from securing full tax-exempt status, arguing that their discriminatory policies prevented them from being considered “charitable” institutions. The schools had been founded in the mid-1960s in response to the desegregation of public schools set in motion by the Brown v. Board of Education decision of 1954. In 1969, the first year of desegregation, the number of white students enrolled in public schools in Holmes County dropped from 771 to 28; the following year, that number fell to zero.

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On June 30, 1971, the United States District Court for the District of Columbia issued its ruling in the case, now Green v. Connally (John Connally had replaced David Kennedy as secretary of the Treasury). The decision upheld the new IRS policy: “Under the Internal Revenue Code, properly construed, racially discriminatory private schools are not entitled to the Federal tax exemption provided for charitable, educational institutions, and persons making gifts to such schools are not entitled to the deductions provided in case of gifts to charitable, educational institutions.”

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The Green v. Connally ruling provided a necessary first step: It captured the attention of evangelical leaders , especially as the IRS began sending questionnaires to church-related “segregation academies,” including Falwell’s own Lynchburg Christian School, inquiring about their racial policies. Falwell was furious. “In some states,” he famously complained, “It’s easier to open a massage parlor than a Christian school.”

One such school, Bob Jones University—a fundamentalist college in Greenville, South Carolina—was especially obdurate. The IRS had sent its first letter to Bob Jones University in November 1970 to ascertain whether or not it discriminated on the basis of race. The school responded defiantly: It did not admit African Americans.

Although Bob Jones Jr., the school’s founder, argued that racial segregation was mandated by the Bible, Falwell and Weyrich quickly sought to shift the grounds of the debate, framing their opposition in terms of religious freedom rather than in defense of racial segregation. For decades, evangelical leaders had boasted that because their educational institutions accepted no federal money (except for, of course, not having to pay taxes) the government could not tell them how to run their shops—whom to hire or not, whom to admit or reject. The Civil Rights Act, however, changed that calculus.

Bob Jones University did, in fact, try to placate the IRS—in its own way. Following initial inquiries into the school’s racial policies, Bob Jones admitted one African-American, a worker in its radio station, as a part-time student; he dropped out a month later. In 1975, again in an attempt to forestall IRS action, the school admitted blacks to the student body, but, out of fears of miscegenation, refused to admit unmarried African-Americans. The school also stipulated that any students who engaged in interracial dating, or who were even associated with organizations that advocated interracial dating, would be expelled.

The IRS was not placated. On January 19, 1976, after years of warnings—integrate or pay taxes—the agency rescinded the school’s tax exemption.

For many evangelical leaders, who had been following the issue since Green v. Connally, Bob Jones University was the final straw. As Elmer L. Rumminger, longtime administrator at Bob Jones University, told me in an interview, the IRS actions against his school “alerted the Christian school community about what could happen with government interference” in the affairs of evangelical institutions. “That was really the major issue that got us all involved.”

Make no bones about it, the 'religious right' movement is one literally founded on racism and opposition to desegregation.

DrPhilG

dark crystal wrote: »

boasted about sexually assaulting women

Did he?

DrPhilG

Ps...

Carfacemandog

DrPhilG wrote: »

Did he?

Indeed he did, and his supporters were quick as ever to defend him on all that grabbing women by the pussy.

notobtuse

extra gravy wrote: »

Those nutters were going to vote for him anyway whatever happens whereas anyone with half a brain that's still on the fence wouldn't have been swayed by such nonsense. Biden doesn't even need to do ads, Trump is doing all the work for him.

Yeah, vote for Joe the Coward. Do nothing is accurate.

Such a leader? As riots have crippled the country where has Biden been? I know he might have mentioned the riots in passing but where are his calls to condemn the mayhem, the looting, the burning of buildings and property, the attacks on innocent citizens, and the murdering of police officers trying to keep the peace? What has Joe said about all the small businesses destroyed and the damage done to the inner city neighborhoods? I guess Joe is just fine with innocent citizens and police officers being maimed and killed merely because they are stuck between violent rioters and feckless Democrat politicians who run those cities and states?

Joe the Coward says nothing because of his sleazy political ambitions and he doesn’t want to offend the Black community. Joe is not a leader and should never be our president. He thinks he deserves to become president because he spent so many years in government offices merely being present. Yeah, right, we need a leader and Biden is no leader!

Joe must go!

kilns

The Matthis criticism has been the most scathing yet. He has kept his powder dry on Trump for a long time but comparing him to Nazis is very strong and coming from a US General.

But on cue Donald has tried to destroy his character but only those diehards that follow him will believe that, the likes of Matthis have much more character than Trump could dream of.

I would like to hear what Trumps defenders on here think about Matthis's comments