2020 US Presidential Election (aka: The Trump Coronation)

Carfacemandog

Silentcorner wrote: »

Ya I agree....but that also puts the Democrats who have being playing cards not just with a pandemic but now a vicious police incident....in the hope of provoking force from the US ARmy.....this is nuts.

How so, re the democrats?

Definitely been a crazy week or two even by 2020 standards!

DrPhilG

Silentcorner wrote: »

That is genuinely concerning, why are Irish tv using a doctored clip to misrepresent what an American President said?

The vast majority of Irish people are horrified and appalled by Trump.

So posting edited footage to try and make him look even worse than he managed himself will appeal to their viewers.

Either that or they just took the edited footage as gospel without checking it.

Most of the Irish and UK stations did the same with the disinfectant saga.

Silentcorner

Silentcorner wrote: »

That is genuinely concerning, why are Irish tv using a doctored clip to misrepresent what an American President said?

As I said, I was half watching, but will see what they say on their next broadcast.

Silentcorner

DrPhilG wrote: »

The vast majority of Irish people are horrified and appalled by Trump.

So posting edited footage to try and make him look even worse than he managed himself will appeal to their viewers.

Either that or they just took the edited footage as gospel without checking it.

Most of the Irish and UK stations did the same with the disinfectant saga.

We being conditioned by our own media....no surprises there anyway.

kilns

Silentcorner wrote: »

So the protesters are risking the health of millions of Americans to protest in the hope they force Trump to force the army on American citizens....

That country is sliding into a civil war.

What are you talking about?????? They aren’t protesting hoping the army is unleashed on them. What’s wrong with you!

namloc1980

There actually is an old Trump tweet for every situation!

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Celticfire

Silentcorner wrote: »

But there is evidence already posted right above my post about how this is being presented in media...you know what never mind.

Fair enough, hadn't seen that.

Silentcorner

Carfacemandog wrote: »

How so, re the democrats?

Definitely been a crazy week or two even by 2020 standards!

The Democrats were all very pro lockdown...for health and safety reasons they said.

Now, they are all protesting in their masses like Covid doesn't even exist!!

It is bizarre!

Now they are planning a massive protest in Washington in the hope they provoke a military reaction.

Silentcorner

kilns wrote: »

What are you talking about?????? They aren’t protesting hoping the army is unleashed on them. What’s wrong with you!

What is wrong with me...why else do you think they are protesting in their masses tomorrow?

namloc1980

Silentcorner wrote: »

So the protesters are risking the health of millions of Americans to protest in the hope they force Trump to force the army on American citizens....

That country is sliding into a civil war.

Sounds like someone wants to see a lot of bloodshed.

Silentcorner

namloc1980 wrote: »

Sounds like someone wants to see a lot of bloodshed.

I certainly don't...but there is an inevitably about it all!

cmac2009

Silentcorner wrote: »

The Democrats were all very pro lockdown...for health and safety reasons they said.

Now, they are all protesting in their masses like Covid doesn't even exist!!

It is bizarre!

Now they are planning a massive protest in Washington in the hope they provoke a military reaction.

What's bizarre is your relentless defense of Trump. I'm assuming you're trolling, well I hope so.

Silentcorner

cmac2009 wrote: »

What's bizarre is your relentless defense of Trump. I'm assuming you're trolling, well I hope so.

I've an alternate opinion, that does not make me a troll.

Surely we can all agree....it is some s##tshow!

kilns

Silentcorner wrote: »

What is wrong with me...why else do you think they are protesting in their masses tomorrow?[/quote.

Are you just playing dumb or are you genuinely clueless?

Silentcorner

hetuzozaho wrote: »

I felt this explained it quite well:
https://apnews.com/2aa7979e6fb88948895407f127e5e5b6?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=AP

Just so you know....that company also provided The Journal with this piece.

https://www.thejournal.ie/trump-biden-george-floyd-us-economy-5116230-Jun2020/

Look at the comments...

So...you'll forgive me if I don't consider that a reputable source.

kilns

Silentcorner wrote: »

The Democrats were all very pro lockdown...for health and safety reasons they said.

Now, they are all protesting in their masses like Covid doesn't even exist!!

It is bizarre!

Now they are planning a massive protest in Washington in the hope they provoke a military reaction.

The Democrat party are not organizing it. Jesus

Silentcorner

Silentcorner wrote: »

Just so you know....that company also provided The Journal with this piece.

https://www.thejournal.ie/trump-biden-george-floyd-us-economy-5116230-Jun2020/

Look at the comments...

So...you'll forgive me if I don't consider that a reputable source.

Why would I care about the comments on the journal? Also the Associated Press are highly reputable so your opinion on them sounds a tad petty...

Silentcorner

Deleted User wrote: »

Why would I care about the comments on the journal? Also the Associated Press are highly reputable so your opinion on them sounds a tad petty...

Well...you've just seen a news piece of theirs that has completely misrepresented what the President said....it's up to you whether you think that makes them "highly reputable" or not....

I had no idea who they were until that poster linked me to another article about Trump....which I was inclined to believe by the way.

You may need to look at that news source in a different light.

Silentcorner

On a day when US employment numbers were higher than expected, you'd imagine the US people would be entitled to hear a bit of good news for the first time in months....

https://www.theguardian.com/international

"Trumps comments draws immediate outrage"
"Revolting:Trump condemned for saying George Floyd is praising the economy"

Are the first two headlines in The Guardian.

Our very own "Newspaper of record"

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/trump-s-claim-it-was-a-great-day-for-george-floyd-is-criticised-1.4272093

hetuzozaho

Silentcorner wrote: »

Just so you know....that company also provided The Journal with this piece.

https://www.thejournal.ie/trump-biden-george-floyd-us-economy-5116230-Jun2020/

Look at the comments...

So...you'll forgive me if I don't consider that a reputable source.

I will give the Journal comments a miss cheers :pac:

You don't consider AP or the U.S. Park Police a reputable source?

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/501372-us-park-police-say-it-was-a-mistake-to-say-no-tear-gas-was-used-in

“I’m not going to say that pepper balls don’t irritate you,” Delgado said, noting they contain capsicum, an irritant derived from pepper plants. “I’m not saying it’s not a tear gas, but I’m just saying we use a pepper ball that shoots a powder.”

https://www.vox.com/2020/6/5/21281604/lafayette-square-white-house-tear-gas-protest

CDC on tear gas: https://emergency.cdc.gov/agent/riotcontrol/factsheet.asp

Explain the issue and I can work through it with you, some good info there.

Silentcorner

hetuzozaho wrote: »

I will give the Journal comments a miss cheers :pac:

You don't consider AP or the U.S. Park Police a reputable source?

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/501372-us-park-police-say-it-was-a-mistake-to-say-no-tear-gas-was-used-in

“I’m not going to say that pepper balls don’t irritate you,” Delgado said, noting they contain capsicum, an irritant derived from pepper plants. “I’m not saying it’s not a tear gas, but I’m just saying we use a pepper ball that shoots a powder.”

https://www.vox.com/2020/6/5/21281604/lafayette-square-white-house-tear-gas-protest

CDC on tear gas: https://emergency.cdc.gov/agent/riotcontrol/factsheet.asp

Explain the issue and I can work through it with you, some good info there.

The Journal uses the exact same source you linked, APF...I do not consider them reputable.

I wouldn't have questioned your original source if I hadn't seen The Journal article from the same source.

I believed that Trump did tear gas protesters, I believed that was a big mistake, I asked for someone to post a reputable link because already we know that (from post no 5558)

Sky News
Bloomberg
The Guardian
ABC News
CBS News
CBC NEws
Business Insider

Along with

Virgin Media
Irish Times
The Journal

CNN
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/05/politics/joe-biden-economy-speech/index.html

To name but a few, are all this very evening, misrepresenting what the President actually said and are manufacturing outrage on top of it.

That is not to say that I don't believe it happened, but given what we can all see...I'm hesitant to the point I don't know what to believe

Were the Park Polie just moving them on anyway and used tear gas to disperce them
Was there a cerfew?
Did Trump/Secret Service ask the PArk Police to remove the protesters or did he specify using excess force.

I am not being smart with you, but you can understand why it's difficult to trust anything you read (I haven't bothered to go to FOX or any other news source as I am confident they will tell a different story as well)

hetuzozaho

Silentcorner wrote: »

The Journal uses the exact same source you linked, APF...I do not consider them reputable.

AH I get you by APF you mean AFP? (© – AFP, 2020)

You mean AFP are AP? As it says about the Wire Service in T&Cs?

AP: https://apnews.com/
AFP: https://www.afp.com/en

Silentcorner

hetuzozaho wrote: »

AH I get you by APF you mean AFP? (© – AFP, 2020)

You mean AFP are AP? As it says about the Wire Service in T&Cs?

AP: https://apnews.com/
AFP: https://www.afp.com/en

I'll take a look, I could be mistaken, I've no problem admitting I made a mistake

extra gravy

Silentcorner wrote: »

Sky News
Bloomberg
The Guardian
ABC News
CBS News
CBC NEws
Business Insider

Along with

Virgin Media
Irish Times
The Journal

CNN
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/05/politics/joe-biden-economy-speech/index.html

To name but a few, are all this very evening, misrepresenting what the President actually said and are manufacturing outrage on top of it.

Yeah, they're all out to get poor innocent Donnie, misrepresenting everything he says and does! Damn LAMESTREAM media!! FAKE NEWS!! Am I doing this right?

Silentcorner

extra gravy wrote: »

Yeah, they're all out to get poor innocent Donnie, misrepresenting everything he says and does! Damn LAMESTREAM media!! FAKE NEWS!! Am I doing this right?

You can decide for yourself old boy!!

eagle eye

cmac2009 wrote:

What's bizarre is your relentless defense of Trump. I'm assuming you're trolling, well I hope so.

I find it interesting that you quoted a post that doesn't have Trump's name or any defense of him in it to have a go at the poster.
Why?

hetuzozaho

Silentcorner wrote: »

I'll take a look, I could be mistaken, I've no problem admitting I made a mistake

Just for info:

"officers then employed the use of smoke canisters and pepper balls" from National Park Service

https://www.nps.gov/subjects/uspp/6_...ef_monahan.htm

Pepper Balls: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepper-spray_projectile
CDC: https://emergency.cdc.gov/agent/riot.../factsheet.asp

So no need for media

Silentcorner

kilns wrote: »

Silentcorner wrote: »

What is wrong with me...why else do you think they are protesting in their masses tomorrow?[/quote.

Are you just playing dumb or are you genuinely clueless?

That is charming!!!

It's not exactly making a huge leap now is it, mass protests, after a week of fairly severe rioting and looting...in the middle of a pandemic.

Silentcorner

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Just for info:

"officers then employed the use of smoke canisters and pepper balls" from National Park Service

https://www.nps.gov/subjects/uspp/6_...ef_monahan.htm

Pepper Balls: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepper-spray_projectile
CDC: https://emergency.cdc.gov/agent/riot.../factsheet.asp

So no need for media

Well, again, just to be reasoned, I'd like to see a source that confirms that Trump ordered the tear gassing, as it kind of is important, you know, the context of it all...it's a pretty serious action for a President to take, which he may well have, but it is possible he did not know how those protesters were removed.

Professor Moriarty

Silentcorner wrote: »

Well, again, just to be reasoned, I'd like to see a source that confirms that Trump ordered the tear gassing, as it kind of is important, you know, the context of it all...it's a pretty serious action for a President to take, which he may well have, but it is possible he did not know how those protesters were removed.

So he's condemned it?