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2020 US Presidential Election (aka: The Trump Coronation)

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    #5912
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Biden said 10-15% of our citizens are not very good people. Looking at the population that amounts to upwards of 51 million bad people in the country according to Joe. We had about 63 million people vote for Trump in 2016. What is with these democrats and their ability not to sick their foot in their mouths with the Basket of Deplorables type speech?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #5913
    DrumSteve
    Registered Users Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Biden said 10-15% of our citizens are not very good people. Looking at the population that amounts to upwards of 51 million bad people in the country according to Joe. We had about 63 million people vote for Trump in 2016. What is with these democrats and their ability not to sick their foot in their mouths with the Basket of Deplorables type speech?

    tbf to Donald, he did say there were very good people on both sides so he has that going for him.


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    #5914
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,375 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Do you even read what you write before hitting 'Submit Reply?'

    I do. Why do you ask?


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    #5915
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    DrumSteve wrote: »
    Really leaving yourself open there.
    What is everyone all bent out of shape about? The 33,000 emails that Clinton deleted AFTER receiving a Congressional subpoena were all about yoga and her daughter’s wedding, according to Clinton, and no classified or Top Secret material was deleted. There wouldn’t be any sensitive material in them, right? You believe her, right?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #5916
    DrumSteve
    Registered Users Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    notobtuse wrote: »
    What is everyone all bent out of shape about? The 33,000 emails that Clinton deleted AFTER receiving a Congressional subpoena were all about yoga and her daughter’s wedding, according to Clinton, and no classified or Top Secret material was deleted. There wouldn’t be any sensitive material in them, right? You believe her, right?

    Yeah well, If it's what you say, I love it especially later in the summer.


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    #5917
    kilns
    Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    notobtuse wrote: »
    What is everyone all bent out of shape about? The 33,000 emails that Clinton deleted AFTER receiving a Congressional subpoena were all about yoga and her daughter’s wedding, according to Clinton, and no classified or Top Secret material was deleted. There wouldn’t be any sensitive material in them, right? You believe her, right?

    Cue Fox News - but what about Hillary’s emails. And not a mention of Jared or Ivanka using private email servers for White House business. But let’s not go too hard on Ivanka, times of hardship have been great time for her personal growth


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    #5918
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    duploelabs wrote: »
    Who's won many awards for her journalism, or are those pan-partisan awards just a domain for the left too?
    You’re kidding right? Who hands out these awards... Mickey Mouse? Maddow is no journalist. In the most recent libel case filed against her she had to admit to the courts she was merely an entertainer, and not a journalist, in order not to be held libel.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #5919
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,470 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    kilns wrote: »
    Cue Fox News - but what about Hillary’s emails. And not a mention of Jared or Ivanka using private email servers for White House business. But let’s not go too hard on Ivanka, times of hardship have been great time for her personal growth

    I heard she broke a nail the other day. a fantastic opportunity for personal growth.


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    #5920
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    kilns wrote: »
    Cue Fox News - but what about Hillary’s emails. And not a mention of Jared or Ivanka using private email servers for White House business. But let’s not go too hard on Ivanka, times of hardship have been great time for her personal growth
    Ivanka and Jared did not know they were running afoul of the dictates on archives. Hillary Clinton DID. Jared and Ivanka gave everything to the archives. Hillary did not. So spare me some contrived comparison.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #5921
    kilns
    Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    notobtuse wrote: »
    You’re kidding right? Who hands out these awards... Mickey Mouse? Maddow is no journalist. In the most recent libel case filed against her she had to admit to the courts she was merely an entertainer, and not a journalist, in order not to be held libel.

    Fox use the same trick


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    #5922
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    kilns wrote: »
    Fox use the same trick
    Only those on the left would believe the truth to be a trick.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #5923
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,470 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Ivanka and Jared did not know they were running afoul of the dictates on archives. Hillary Clinton DID. Jared and Ivanka gave everything to the archives. Hillary did not. So spare me some contrived comparison.

    ignorance is no excuse.


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    #5924
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,657 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Ivanka and Jared did not know they were running afoul of the dictates on archives. Hillary Clinton DID. Jared and Ivanka gave everything to the archives. Hillary did not. So spare me some contrived comparison.

    Oh Please!- So they spend the previous few years standing beside Daddy(in-law) screaming "but her emails" endlessly and they didn't make the connection and didn't understand that using Private email servers were bad?

    So , they are cretins then?

    It's either that , or they knew exactly what they were doing and didn't give a damn.


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    #5925
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    ignorance is no excuse.
    So you're saying the Trumps' are guilty of ignorance and Clinton is guilty of illegal activities?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #5926
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    Oh Please!- So they spend the previous few years standing beside Daddy(in-law) screaming "but her emails" endlessly and they didn't make the connection and didn't understand that using Private email servers were bad?

    So , they are cretins then?

    It's either that , or they knew exactly what they were doing and didn't give a damn.

    Again, they provided everything to the archives. Did Hillary?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #5927
    DrumSteve
    Registered Users Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Only those on the left would believe the truth to be a trick.

    Are you...equating...Fox News....with...the truth?


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    #5928
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,375 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Only those on the left would believe the truth to be a trick.

    Just to confirm, you won't be responding to my earlier question as to why you wanted to know if I read my posts before submitting them? Is there something wrong in what I posted about Trump's comment? Could you elaborate?


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    #5929
    kilns
    Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Only those on the left would believe the truth to be a trick.

    Now it’s obvious you are trolling. Do you believe Fox always tell the truth? Hannity, Tucker and Ingraham are as much a journalist as you or I and in the past Fox has used the exact term entertainment to avoid being sued


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    #5930
    Quin_Dub
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    notobtuse wrote: »
    You’re kidding right? Who hands out these awards... Mickey Mouse? Maddow is no journalist. In the most recent libel case filed against her she had to admit to the courts she was merely an entertainer, and not a journalist, in order not to be held libel.

    Not what happened at all , but you already knew that..

    Bashant sees the threshold question as whether the objectionable statement is opinion or fact.

    Here, the judge first notes the broad context.

    "Maddow’s show is different than a typical news segment where anchors inform viewers about the daily news," states the opinion. "The point of Maddow’s show is for her to provide the news but also to offer her opinions as to that news. Therefore, the Court finds that the medium of the alleged defamatory statement makes it more likely that a reasonable viewer would not conclude that the contested statement implies an assertion of objective fact."

    Next, the judge looks at the specific context from Maddow's use of the word "literally" — "use of the word can be hyperbolic," according to opinion — to the news host's presentation of the Daily Beast article and failure to mention that Rouz lacked decision-making authority at OAN and was merely a freelancer for Sputnik. Bashant says it doesn't matter. Not all facts must be presented.


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    #5931
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,602 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    notobtuse wrote: »
    What is everyone all bent out of shape about? The 33,000 emails that Clinton deleted AFTER receiving a Congressional subpoena were all about yoga and her daughter’s wedding, according to Clinton, and no classified or Top Secret material was deleted. There wouldn’t be any sensitive material in them, right? You believe her, right?

    To directly quote MAGA,

    It’s over. She lost. Get over it already.


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    #5932
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Just to confirm, you won't be responding to my earlier question as to why you wanted to know if I read my posts before submitting them? Is there something wrong in what I posted about Trump's comment? Could you elaborate?
    I thought it was evident to everyone not obsessed with bias.

    Here’s what you posted. I’ll bold the important parts.
    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    You're quoting a tweet there.

    He said this at a press conference in 2016:
    "Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing, I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. Let’s see if that happens."

    He then said this:
    "By the way, they hacked — they probably have her 33,000 emails. I hope they do. They probably have her 33,000 emails that she lost and deleted because you'd see some beauties there. So let's see."

    When asked whether he was encouraging a foreign country to hack into emails, he said:
    "Now, if Russia or China or any other country has those emails, I mean, to be honest with you, I'd love to see them."

    So it’s quite evident, from what YOU POSTED, that Trump believed RUSSIA ALREADY HAD THE EMAILS AND WANTED THEM TO TURN THEM OVER TO THE US... NOT TO GO OUT AND HACK HILLARY.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #5933
    Overheal
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    Someone is starting to get upset.


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    #5934
    kilns
    Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    You got to love the compete hypocrisy from Trumps admin. They seem to put their foot in it all time. Something like a comedy movie.

    After going on about voter fraud. Trumps own talking blonde holds a New Jersey driving license, lives in DC but uses her parents address in Florida to vote. Hmmmm. That’s without counter Donald’s himselfs voter fraud


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    #5935
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,375 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    notobtuse wrote: »
    I thought it was evident to everyone not obsessed with bias.

    Here’s what you posted. I’ll bold the important parts.



    So it’s quite evident, from what YOU POSTED, that Trump believed RUSSIA ALREADY HAD THE EMAILS AND WANTED THEM TO TURN THEM OVER TO THE US... NOT TO GO OUT AND HACK HILLARY.

    But he also said this:

    "Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing, I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. Let’s see if that happens."

    So he also asked Russia to find them. Unless you have alternative definitions for 'Russia' and 'I hope you're able to find'.


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    #5936
    notobtuse
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    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    Not what happened at all , but you already knew that..
    “Maddow had inserted her own colorful commentary into and throughout the segment, laughing, expressing her dismay (i.e., saying ‘I mean, what?’) and calling the segment a ‘sparkly story’ and one we must ‘take in stride,'” Judge Cynthia Bashant wrote Friday.

    - - - -

    “Instead, he or she [the viewer] would follow the facts of the Daily Beast article; that OAN and Sputnik share a reporter and both pay this reporter to write articles. Anything beyond this is Maddow’s opinion or her exaggeration of the facts,” ruled Bashant.

    Colorful commentary... translation, her defense is she’s an entertainer as her 'reporting' doesn’t need to be the least bit accurate and she was merely trafficing in fake news.

    https://www.redstate.com/bradslager/2020/05/28/845430/

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #5937
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    But he also said this:

    "Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing, I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. Let’s see if that happens."

    So he also asked Russia to find them. Unless you have alternative definitions for 'Russia' and 'I hope you're able to find'.
    So your argument is Trump is guilty because you're taking what he said out of the context you provided?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #5938
    kilns
    Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    notobtuse wrote: »
    So your argument is Trump is guilty because you're taking what he said out of the context you provided?

    I love how the article goes on to say some in Msnbc and CNN are trying to discredit OANN as a credible news source. They don’t have to do that everyone knows that already.


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    #5939
    kilns
    Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    notobtuse wrote: »
    So your argument is Trump is guilty because you're taking what he said out of the context you provided?

    Do you honestly believe Trump did not want Russia to interfere And expose these emails in the hope they had something that could be used against here during the campaign. If you don’t your one naive old man.


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    #5940
    DrumSteve
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    kilns wrote: »
    I love how the article goes on to say some in Msnbc and CNN are trying to discredit OANN as a credible news source. They don’t have to do that everyone knows that already.

    OANN is a parody news source.

    Basically set up so when Trump gets thrown out he has his own news channel already set up.


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    #5941
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,375 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    notobtuse wrote: »
    So your argument is Trump is guilty because you're taking what he said out of the context you provided?

    Never made that argument. That's a construct of your own mind.

    I was correcting you when you said this:

    Actually, I remember what he said AND meant. I remember the light-hearted comment and his laughter afterward. He was talking about someone ALREADY having the emails that Clinton illegally deleted after a receiving a congressional subpoena from the House Select Committee and that they should be shared with the US authorities. He also clarified it...

    “If Russia or any other country or person has Hillary Clinton's 33,000 illegally deleted emails, perhaps they should share them with the FBI!"


    I pointed out that your quote from Trump was a tweet not a comment. Nor does the tweet clarify anything. Also it is a fact that he was not joking when he said this. There was no "laughter". He was deadly serious:

    "Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,"

    Russia...I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails..." He asked Russia to find the emails and it wasn't a joke. You are and were wrong in your assertions.


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