2020 US Presidential Election (aka: The Trump Coronation)

ohnonotgmail

notobtuse wrote: »

I think you defame him here all the time, and the same goes from people on Twitter. And everyone gets away with it. Do you not think he deserves to be treated on social media the same as everyone else?

if he was treated the same as everybody else he would have been banned from twitter by now. there was an account that posted word for word what trump posts. it was banned in 12 hours.

extra gravy

notobtuse wrote: »

I think you defame him here all the time, and the same goes from people on Twitter. And everyone gets away with it. Do you not think he deserves to be treated on social media the same as everyone else?

Defamation means the claim needs to be false, the criticisms of him on this thread are true.

Overheal

notobtuse wrote: »

I think you defame him here all the time, and the same goes from people on Twitter. And everyone gets away with it. Do you not think he deserves to be treated on social media the same as everyone else?

Clearly how defamation works is entirely lost upon you.

notobtuse

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

calling somebody an idiot is protected under the first amendment. Trump is an idiot.

Yes it is, and I would fight to the death to protect your right to call Trump an idiot.

Overheal

notobtuse wrote: »

Yes it is, and I would fight to the death to protect your right to call Trump an idiot.

So then where is this defamation you are whining and moaning about

notobtuse

extra gravy wrote: »

Defamation means the claim needs to be false, the criticisms of him on this thread are true.

Subjectively, maybe... Objectively, nah.

Quin_Dub

notobtuse wrote: »

He was going after the communication device. He should not have tried to impede the police in the first place. I’ve read he’s an experienced protestor, who should have been wearing his helmet instead of carrying it, when he tried to stop the officers. I gather he knows that even if a single officer is impeded the entire line halts until the impediment is resolved. His actions in impeding the police was a crime (violation of Section 195.05 of the New York Penal Law). If you look at the shove it was obvious to anyone (level headed, anyway) that it was intended to merely move the protestor back. The force used by the police was measured and appropriate.

And yes, to appease the mob they have suspended two officers without pay. But want to bet that when sanity is again restored the investigative commission will determine neither officer will be convicted of any charges, it will be determined the did nothing wrong, and they will be provided with all their back pay... as it should be.

This is the issue - At no point in time wass a "shove" measured and appropriate in response to the mans actions.

The man was not an imminent threat or anything like it.

If he was committing a crime as he ineed may well have been , then stop and arrest him ,don't poke him in the chest with a baton and then shove him to the ground with your hands. If the handbook views that as "measured and appropriate" then the bloody handbook is Wrong!

US Police forces have been trained to "Dominate" and "Control" and not to actually police and that is the absolute core issue here.

Rather than act like trained officers of the law , they acted like boorish nightclub bouncers.

Kermit.de.frog

notobtuse wrote: »

Thank you for that. Truly. Being called misguided to what I'm normally called here is a pleasant surprise.

So as a MAGA guy I want to ask you this

What do you think of Trump as a person?

Forget everything else, just what do you think of him as an individual.

What do you admire about him?

extra gravy

notobtuse wrote: »

Subjectively, maybe... Objectively, nah.

Is there one single criticism of him on this thread that you think is valid? The best leaders welcome constructive criticism because it makes them better, when Trump is criticised he sulks like a hormonal teenager and attacks the critic.

notobtuse

notobtuse wrote: »

The explanation given here makes it seem to be very plausible and feasible.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1268784881422786560.html

If you checked the responses to the thread. The general view is that's pure nonsense. He keeps referring to the private sector having these capabilities to divert from the fact he can't backup his claims.

Random man on twitter is not proof obtuse. Can you cite real world examples of anything like this being done in the last ten years. Or refer us to one of these private sector firms that he's citing?

Otherwise we can conclude you read some nonsense that fits what you'd like to believe.

Overheal

Gizmodo breaks down the absurdity of the “75-year old man is a super hacker” theory, for the technologically illiterate among us:

https://gizmodo.com/trump-s-scanner-conspiracy-theory-about-75-year-old-p-1843964561

ohnonotgmail

Deleted User wrote: »

If you checked the responses to the thread. The general view is that's pure nonsense. He keeps referring to the private sector having these capabilities to divert from the fact he can't backup his claims.

Random man on twitter is not proof obtuse. Can you cite real world examples of anything like this being done in the last ten years. Or refer us to one of these private sector firms that he's citing?

Otherwise we can conclude you read some nonsense that fits what you'd like to believe.

what is even crazier is that he expects people to believe that this technology, that we are not even sure exists, is in the possession of a random 75 year old man.

notobtuse

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

So as a MAGA guy I want to ask you this

What do you think of Trump as a person?

Forget everything else, just what do you think of him as an individual.

What do you admire about him?

AS A PERSON I think him to be boorish, full of himself, a blowhard and acts childish at times. But beneath his rough facade and killer business instinct I think he has a good heart. And he’s not someone I’d ever want to be friends with. But I didn’t vote for him to be friends with. I voted to elect him to do exactly what he is doing, or attempting to do, for the country and it's citizens. He has accomplished more goals than most of the numerous republican presidents before him have sought but failed to do.

Professor Moriarty

notobtuse wrote: »

AS A PERSON I think him to be boorish, full of himself, a blowhard and acts childish at times. But beneath his rough facade and killer business instinct I think he has a good heart. And he’s not someone I’d ever want to be friends with. But I didn’t vote for him to be friends with. I voted to elect him to do exactly what he is doing, or attempting to do, for the country and it's citizens. He has accomplished more goals than most of the numerous republican presidents before him have sought but failed to do.

What goals has he achieved?

Overheal

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

What goals has he achieved?

Did you see that wall he built in DC? Over a mile of new border to keep brown people out!

Professor Moriarty

Overheal wrote: »

Did you see that wall he built in DC? Over a mile of new border to keep brown people out!

Apart from that Mrs Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?

notobtuse

Quin_Dub wrote: »

This is the issue - At no point in time wass a "shove" measured and appropriate in response to the mans actions.

The man was not an imminent threat or anything like it.

If he was committing a crime as he ineed may well have been , then stop and arrest him ,don't poke him in the chest with a baton and then shove him to the ground with your hands. If the handbook views that as "measured and appropriate" then the bloody handbook is Wrong!

US Police forces have been trained to "Dominate" and "Control" and not to actually police and that is the absolute core issue here.

Rather than act like trained officers of the law , they acted like boorish nightclub bouncers.

What if there were more protestors than police doing what he did? I already explained why the officers actions they were committed to couldn't stop and arrest him. But you keep ignoring it. In hindsight, and merely because of the negative optics, what they probably should have done is forcibly keep moving him to the back of the police line so he could have been arrested. From the video it is apparent the officer who shoved him wanted to stop and help him once he realized the guy had fallen, but was stopped and made to do his duty. It was the job of the trained EMT's, who were there within seconds, to help him.

kowloon

extra gravy wrote: »

Defamation means the claim needs to be false, the criticisms of him on this thread are true.

Makes you wonder about the accusations he won't take to court, considering he had 3,500 lawsuits under his belt when he was nominee.

notobtuse

extra gravy wrote: »

Is there one single criticism of him on this thread that you think is valid? The best leaders welcome constructive criticism because it makes them better, when Trump is criticised he sulks like a hormonal teenager and attacks the critic.

I think he was too naïve in the beginning of his presidency and kept on way to many of Obama’s appointees in powerful positions because he thought they would care more about the country then their hatred for him. Trump should have fired each and every Obama pick on day one, just as Obama did with Bush’s appointees.

notobtuse

notobtuse wrote: »

What if there were more protestors than police doing what he did? I already explained why the officers actions they were committed to couldn't stop and arrest him. But you keep ignoring it. In hindsight, and merely because of the negative optics, what they probably should have done is forcibly keep moving him to the back of the police line so he could have been arrested. From the video it is apparent the officer who shoved him wanted to stop and help him once he realized the guy had fallen, but was stopped and made to do his duty. It was the job of the trained EMT's, who were there within seconds, to help him.

You linked to a conspiracy thread from twitter to justify the claim he's doing some elaborate high tech hack... It's completely untrue and nonsensical. But you seem to be ignoring anyone who has pointed that out....

notobtuse

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

What goals has he achieved?

Getting rid of some of the worst job killing regulations. Tax cut reforms. Putting America first. Low unemployment. A strong economy. More manufacturing jobs. Less people on the government dole. Excellent Federal and SCOTUS judge picks. Better trade agreements. Getting nations to pay a higher share with NATO. Rolled back the worst parts of ObamaCare. Lead the way in making the US energy independent. And better secured the border. A lot of things prior republican presidents only dreamed of.

notobtuse

Deleted User wrote: »

You linked to a conspiracy thread from twitter to justify the claim he's doing some elaborate high tech hack... It's completely untrue and nonsensical. But you seem to be ignoring anyone who has pointed that out....

His actions were way to calculated to be benign. Pushing a button or two on something preloaded on his phone is not high tech. I hope the phone was picked up by police and analyzed and they will let the public know.

Billy Mays

Genuine lol at "he has a good heart"

Delusional

notobtuse

notobtuse wrote: »

His actions were way to calculated to be benign. Pushing a button or two is not high tech.

The specific claim from the twitter thread you linked to is incredibly high tech and complete nonsense. I'm sure you can show me such a phone app that does the below.... There's a reason he can't name anything that does it. :rolleyes:

You can download software to your phone that allows you to "clone" the frequency and signal of a device.

Once the frequency is captured (ie cloned) you can track the device, duplicate the signal and/or listen to a transmission.

That appears to be what he's attempting.

notobtuse

Billy Mays wrote: »

Genuine lol at "he has a good heart"

Delusional

And just think of all the more he'll get accomplished in his second term.

notobtuse

Deleted User wrote: »

The specific claim from the twitter thread you linked to is incredibly high tech and complete nonsense. I'm sure you can show me such a phone app that does the below.... There's a reason he can't name anything that does it. :rolleyes:

Some things are easier than you think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxxnuofREcM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9m2akq3CoI

Professor Moriarty

notobtuse wrote: »

Getting rid of some of the worst job killing regulations.

Eliminating environment regulations and workers' protection.

Tax cut reforms.

Corporate tax cut that benefited the wealthy and created a huge deficit.

Putting America first.

Just a slogan. In reality, America is now a global laughing stock.

Low unemployment.

Employment is the worst it's been in 90 years.

A strong economy.

Massive borrowing.

More manufacturing jobs.

Decrease in workers' real wages.

Less people on the government dole.

Poorer people abandoned by raising the bar. Healthcare eliminated. Wealth gap widened enormously.

Excellent Federal and SCOTUS judge picks.

Names?

Better trade agreements.

China. EU.

Getting nations to pay a higher share with NATO.

Alienating allies across the world.

Rolled back the worst parts of ObamaCare.

Poor people should piss off and die.

Lead the way in making the US energy independent.

Fracking. An environmental disaster.

And better secured the border.

The wall? He lied and imprisoned children.

A lot of things prior republican presidents only dreamed of.

None were that insane.

notobtuse

notobtuse wrote: »

Some things are easier than you think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxxnuofREcM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9m2akq3CoI

That's literally a video to something entirely different from what you claimed... It's also possible to prevent cloning of RFID tags. Even my college id wasn't clonable, I had a go. Plus any modern organisation has multiple layers on top of that to make cloning a card useless. So once again, you're making nonsensical claims but you've modified your original one cause that didn't stand up to scrutiny.

The second one is for an app that doesn't do anything in relation to this.

Why do you keep inventing conspiracies on a topic that you clearly know very little about?

mcmoustache

Deleted User wrote: »

Why do you keep inventing conspiracies on a topic that you clearly know very little about?

It's an interesting example of how far Trump fans are willing to distort their own reality in order to maintain the idea that Trump is as godlike as they want to believe.

frag420

notobtuse wrote: »

AS A PERSON I think him to be boorish, full of himself, a blowhard and acts childish at times. But beneath his rough facade and killer business instinct I think he has a good heart. And he’s not someone I’d ever want to be friends with. But I didn’t vote for him to be friends with. I voted to elect him to do exactly what he is doing, or attempting to do, for the country and it's citizens. He has accomplished more goals than most of the numerous republican presidents before him have sought but failed to do.

Just on the bit in bold, his casino filed for bankruptcy FOUR times!!

And just to explain what a casino is, it is place where lots of dumb people throw lots of money at you with very little if no return, free money if you will yet he filed for bankruptcy four times!!

So with that in mind, can you elaborate on his killer business instinct a bit...show us his business success, the ones he achieved unilaterally without other peoples money!?

Lets start by talking about the following success's...

Trump Vodka. remember Trump and Tonic? Nah, nobody else does either!
Trump:The Game. HIs own version of monopoly...no?
Trump Airlines? anyone?
Trump Entertainment Resorts? See above...
Gotrump.com?
TrumpMagazine? Only lasted a year...
Trump Steaks? Shut down after 51 health code violations.
Trump University? You know the unacredited for profit school that has been sued twice, most recently for $40m by the NY AG.
Trump Ice? No, not me either?
Trump Mortgages? Their top exec had only worked on Wall Street for 6 days, he hires all the best people!
New Jersey Generals? Nah, did think so either!


And before you go one about all the real estate and property lets not forget Trump has received the equivalent of $413 million in today's money from his father's real estate empire to give how a head start...yet between 1985 and 1994 Trump’s core businesses lost money every single year, and the accumulated losses came to more than a billion dollars. “In fact, year after year, Mr. Trump appears to have lost more money than nearly any other individual American taxpayer, the Times found when it compared his results with detailed information the I.R.S. compiles on an annual sampling of high-income earners,” Buettner and Craig write. “His core business losses in 1990 and 1991—more than $250 million each year—were more than double those of the nearest taxpayers in the I.R.S. information for those years.(took that last part in italics from Newyorker.com, all easily verifiable)


Unless by killer business instinct that he does in fact kill off business's in which case I apologise for the confusion...:rolleyes: