2020 US Presidential Election (aka: The Trump Coronation)

kilns

Deleted User wrote: »

In relation to the Coronavirus, deaths per capita are still increasing pretty rapidly. The US will enter the top ten affected countries during the weekend or early next week.

The is part of the Trump "masterplan" he will blame the protestors/left wing for the increase

Bonniedog

People will make their own minds up.

Ordinary Americans outside of the Democrat hell holes like Chicago have had the living bejesus frightened out of them by the riots.

It may well swing most of the marginal states behind Trump. Nixon 1968.

Igotadose

DrPhilG wrote: »

And yet when I pointed out that evangelicals today are not racists, I was told that they must be, because some of them were racists 6 decades ago.

I smell a double standard in the air...

Have you seen the posters here blaming the modern Democratic party for the KKK and the Civil War?

DrPhilG

Igotadose wrote: »

Have you seen the posters here blaming the modern Democratic party for the KKK and the Civil War?

I haven't, was that recently? I haven't been in this thread from the start and it moves too fast so I occasionally skip pages at a time.

Either way, also horse sh*t.

Bonniedog

Igotadose wrote: »

Have you seen the posters here blaming the modern Democratic party for the KKK and the Civil War?

Well, historically they were! Nothing to do with modern party obviously, no more than the silly and historically brainless attempts to associate Republicans with Confederacy given that they beat them

Not that it matters any more than the legacy of our own civil war. Should be recalled that until Wallace in 1968, south was still hugely Democrat.

Kennedy won places like Alabama, Georgia, Texas and Louisiana

Igotadose

Bonniedog wrote: »

Well, historically they were! Nothing to do with modern party obviously, no more than the silly and historically brainless attempts to associate Republicans with Confederacy given that they beat them

Not that it matters any more than the legacy of our own civil war. Should be recalled that until Wallace in 1968, south was still hugely Democrat.

Nixon came up with the "Solid South" dog-whistle policy that switched them. Wallace was a segregationist (who later in life kind of repented). It was Democratic-driven policy shifts like the Civil Rights act that drove the South to the anti-civil rights party, the GOP, where both remain.

The 'legacy' of the US Civil war, imo, matters to today and is much more relevant to the issue of racism than the Irish Civil War, which, imo, was more like "A series of skirmishes for about a year" rather than the seas of blood that characterized the US Civil War.

Bonniedog

American civil war was indeed an horrific event and it is surprising really that it did not have a longer legacy. Perhaps to do with the massive growth in population through immigration after the 1860s, by Europeans to whom the war meant nothing.

Curiously, the main current federal/state conflict is between Democrat cities and states and Trump! That will become more evident if he wins in November.

Feds were sent to enforce desegregation in 1950s and 60s. Now they had to over-ride local political control over police to end the riots.

Slightly simplistic perhaps. Time shall tell.

Igotadose

Bonniedog wrote: »

Curiously, the main current federal/state conflict is between Democrat cities and states and Trump! That will become more evident if he wins in November.

Feds were sent to enforce desegregation in 1950s and 60s. Now they had to over-ride local political control over police to end the riots.

Slightly simplistic perhaps. Time shall tell.

Uhh, where are the Feds overriding local control to end the riots? The National Guard's been called in by *the States* for assistance. Feds only got involved outside the WH. Not sure where you're coming from here, the States have been in charge. Trump blusters about 'domination' and all that, but hasn't done anything outside the WH and Federal facilities, has he?

What's happening now is that within States the citizens are debating 'defunding' or otherwise reorganizing police protection. Seems like reasonable exercise of the democratic process in the US.

Trump's done nothing positive for any of this. Furthermore, States in conflict with the Fed is nothing new in the US:) They work together, they conflict, over many many aspects of society. Nothing new there. What's new here is the grassroots effort to change how policing happens. Since it's been weeks and the protests are ongoing but mostly peaceful, imo the discussion has become normalized and that's when, if I don't want things to change, I'd be frightened because that's when it happens.

As for 1968, there are almost no parallels with today's riots and those of 1968 and Nixon's campaign. Nixon was the challenger, Humphrey (a late replacement for LBJ) represented the party of the Vietham War. There've been many well-reasoned articles out there comparing today and then, I posted a link to one a couple days/week ago. Plus, Nixon was a way better candidate and infinitely smarter than Trump. Biden will leave Trump far behind come election day, should the election be legitimate and not meddled with.

ohnonotgmail

Bonniedog wrote: »

American civil war was indeed an horrific event and it is surprising really that it did not have a longer legacy. Perhaps to do with the massive growth in population through immigration after the 1860s, by Europeans to whom the war meant nothing.

Curiously, the main current federal/state conflict is between Democrat cities and states and Trump! That will become more evident if he wins in November.

Feds were sent to enforce desegregation in 1950s and 60s. Now they had to over-ride local political control over police to end the riots.

Slightly simplistic perhaps. Time shall tell.

not simplistic, just wrong. the states have control over what happens in their cities not the federal government. the federal government has no right to send in the national guard to stop riots. the cities have to ask them in.

ExMachina1000

More strong economic figures released from the US. V shaped recovery looking more and more likely.

Getting back to business.

Professor Moriarty

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

More strong economic figures released from the US. V shaped recovery looking more and more likely.

Getting back to business.

3 trillion dollars borrowed by the US. More than the past five years' deficits combined. Severe economic hardship for next generation looking more and more likely.

Getting Trump back in White House.

ELM327

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

More strong economic figures released from the US. V shaped recovery looking more and more likely.

Getting back to business.

This will support the President's reelection.

duploelabs

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

More strong economic figures released from the US. V shaped recovery looking more and more likely.

Getting back to business.

And yet the coronavirus death toll is still rocketing

DrPhilG

duploelabs wrote: »

And yet the coronavirus death toll is still rocketing

They only passed Ireland in terms of deaths per million population in the last day or so.

Still a long way behind Spain, Italy, France, Sweden and the UK.

"Rocketing" is an exaggeration.

Timberrrrrrrr

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

More strong economic figures released from the US. V shaped recovery looking more and more likely.

Getting back to business.

Borrowing your way out of debt will never work, Trump knows this (he has enough experience) but doesn't care, he will borrow and then throw money at the economy in a vain attempt to get re-elected. Meanwhile the debt rises and its future generations that will have to pay it back.

duploelabs

DrPhilG wrote: »

They only passed Ireland in terms of deaths per million population in the last day or so.

Still a long way behind Spain, Italy, France, Sweden and the UK.

Do we really have to rehash this bull about how the US reports Covid-19 deaths? Seriously??

DrPhilG

duploelabs wrote: »

Do we really have to rehash this bull about how the US reports Covid-19 deaths? Seriously??

Well the usual complaint is that they are over reporting for financial reasons, because hospitals are being incentivised to do so.

So the loon bag conspiracy theorists tell me.

hetuzozaho

Overheal wrote: »

Gizmodo breaks down the absurdity of the “75-year old man is a super hacker” theory, for the technologically illiterate among us:

https://gizmodo.com/trump-s-scanner-conspiracy-theory-about-75-year-old-p-1843964561

It's not a great article is it?:P

It does seem he is doing something with the phone though doesn't it?

But what would you be "skimming"?
And in relation to somehow capturing the radio frequency, is that something that needs being close to the device?
And there are apps to just listen to police frequencies in the US, they moved to secure comms here in Ireland but you used to be able to afaik?

kilns

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Borrowing your way out of debt will never work, Trump knows this (he has enough experience) but doesn't care, he will borrow and then throw money at the economy in a vain attempt to get re-elected. Meanwhile the debt rises and its future generations that will have to pay it back.

to be fair Obama borrowed to get the US out of 2008 but Trump has no excuse to increase the debt as much as he has, he inherited a strong ecomony and yes it has stayed strong and got stronger but due to his borrowing to enable tax cuts etc.

He used to being up to his eyes in debt and then if needed declaring bankruptcy and walking away and starting again with other funds he has but you cant do that with a country, you need to be more responsible and to be honest you need to be more responsible with companies also, no company in the US would ever hire Trump to be their CEO because they know what it would mean

kilns

any thoughts on the usual Republican tactic of voter suppression in the South?

Greatest democracy in the world my ass

ohnonotgmail

hetuzozaho wrote: »

It's not a great article is it?:P

It does seem he is doing something with the phone though doesn't it?

But what would you be "skimming"?
And in relation to somehow capturing the radio frequency, is that something that needs being close to the device?
And there are apps to just listen to police frequencies in the US, they moved to secure comms here in Ireland but you used to be able to afaik?

huh? he is holding his phone in his hand. he puts his hands out to try and balance himself when he is pushed.

Wanderer78

Timberrrrrrrr wrote:

Borrowing your way out of debt will never work, Trump knows this (he has enough experience) but doesn't care, he will borrow and then throw money at the economy in a vain attempt to get re-elected. Meanwhile the debt rises and its future generations that will have to pay it back.

Rising public debt isn't much of a problem compared to rising private debt, particularly when your currency is the global reserve currency

Igotadose

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

More strong economic figures released from the US. V shaped recovery looking more and more likely.

Getting back to business.

Which would those be? The mis-stating of the Unemployment rate?

Professor Moriarty

DrPhilG wrote: »

They only passed Ireland in terms of deaths per million population in the last day or so.

Still a long way behind Spain, Italy, France, Sweden and the UK.

"Rocketing" is an exaggeration.

Their new cases rates are extremely high and have remained relatively constant for weeks. In fact, their new cases pro rata are exponentially higher than, for instance, Ireland's. Death rates lag the case rate by 18 days. Thanks to Trump, the less wealthy you are the more likely you are to die. If you have, or will have, Covid-19, where would you least prefer to be. US, Italy or Sweden?

Also deaths per capita should generally look more favourable towards larger countries. The US has far more resources to cope with a pandemic and should have been able to utilise them to keep their numbers proportionately lower. I dread to think what their numbers will be by August.

Quin_Dub

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Borrowing your way out of debt will never work, Trump knows this (he has enough experience) but doesn't care, he will borrow and then throw money at the economy in a vain attempt to get re-elected. Meanwhile the debt rises and its future generations that will have to pay it back.

kilns wrote: »

to be fair Obama borrowed to get the US out of 2008 but Trump has no excuse to increase the debt as much as he has, he inherited a strong ecomony and yes it has stayed strong and got stronger but due to his borrowing to enable tax cuts etc.

He used to being up to his eyes in debt and then if needed declaring bankruptcy and walking away and starting again with other funds he has but you cant do that with a country, you need to be more responsible and to be honest you need to be more responsible with companies also, no company in the US would ever hire Trump to be their CEO because they know what it would mean

The problem that Trump has is that he has left himself little to no leeway in terms of recovery options. Traditional economics says you save in a growing economy and spend in a declining one - He did the exact opposite.

He's already slashed taxes when the economy was growing so he doesn't really have much scope there and his and the GOP inclination would be to use borrowing to prop up the Stock market which the Fed has already been doing massively in recent months , which is why the stock market is booming but the actual economy is still in the toilet.

The only viable options would be things like borrowing for massive infrastructure programs or providing funding for building programs like Green energy retro-fits to housing (which he would never do).

The problem for Trump is that kind of large scale investment might take a year to actually hit the real world in terms of impact. He wants something right now to help his re-election , not help the economy.

So what he'll do is cut taxes even further for Corporations and the hedge funds and shout "Look at the stock market , look at the stock market" all while unemployment is still way above 10%. and by cutting taxes he'll further gut the last remaining elements of the social safe net which those tens of millions of unemployed will desperately need in the coming months.

kilns

Quin_Dub wrote: »

The problem that Trump has is that he has left himself little to no leeway in terms of recovery options. Traditional economics says you save in a growing economy and spend in a declining one - He did the exact opposite.

He's already slashed taxes when the economy was growing so he doesn't really have much scope there and his and the GOP inclination would be to use borrowing to prop up the Stock market which the Fed has already been doing massively in recent months , which is why the stock market is booming but the actual economy is still in the toilet.

The only viable options would be things like borrowing for massive infrastructure programs or providing funding for building programs like Green energy retro-fits to housing (which he would never do).

The problem for Trump is that kind of large scale investment might take a year to actually hit the real world in terms of impact. He wants something right now to help his re-election , not help the economy.

So what he'll do is cut taxes even further for Corporations and the hedge funds and shout "Look at the stock market , look at the stock market" all while unemployment is still way above 10%. and by cutting taxes he'll further gut the last remaining elements of the social safe net which those tens of millions of unemployed will desperately need in the coming months.

I honestly think he is not smart enough to comprehend even this, its the guys like Mnuichin in the background that are guiding this and making alot of money on the back of it as they know they will be back to public life very soon.

I am not surprised however to see the polls that thought Trump would bring the ecomony back more than Biden, to be fair that has been Trumps greatest accomplishment to pull the wool over so many peoples eyes that he is some of economic/business genius which I am very confident he is not and the tax returns would show him for which what he is

hetuzozaho

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

huh? he is holding his phone in his hand. he puts his hands out to try and balance himself when he is pushed.

Before they touch him he moves the phone towards and around areas of the police

Edit: Actually it looks like he is using it to record and then starts pointing/gesticulating(?) at the gun or something which makes it look like he is hovering the phone around the police officer.

kilns

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Before they touch him he moves the phone towards and around areas of the police

Edit: Actually it looks like he is using it to record and then starts pointing/gesticulating(?) at the gun or something which makes it look like he is hovering the phone around the police officer.

Someones been watching a lot of movies and TV shows

hetuzozaho

kilns wrote: »

Someones been watching a lot of movies and TV shows

I do....