2020 US Presidential Election (aka: The Trump Coronation)

kilns

The letter of response from CNNs lawyer to Trumps lawyer is a fantastic piece tearing his claim apart

extra gravy

https://twitter.com/CNNPR/status/1270802155201576962?s=19

They've told him to shove his letter and didn't mince their words. He's only concerned with free speech when it suits him.

ohnonotgmail

extra gravy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/CNNPR/status/1270802155201576962?s=19

They've told him to shove his letter and didn't mince their words. He's only concerned with free speech when it suits him.

i like the lawyers name

kilns

NASCAR has banned the confederate flag at any of its race tracks or on anything it owns. The MAGA crowd won’t like this. Cue a Trump tweet calling NASCAR a disgrace blah blah

frag420

notobtuse wrote: »

Didn’t Trump sell his shares in the 17 plane airline while it was still operational? Didn’t the entire USFL football league go bust? Didn’t the majority of casinos in Atlantic City file for bankruptcy around the same time?

eagle eye wrote: »

Why are we discussing Trump's performance as a businessman? Surely the last four years is what he will be judged on?


Does this happen anywhere else in the world? How many countries allow this?

notobtuse wrote: »

I respect your knowledge in electronics. But you are under the wrong premise. It is not what a device can or cannot do. That is inconsequential. It is about what the guy thought the device can do and how he acted on those thoughts.

So if I walked up to the police with a teapot in my hand and I believed it could fire bullets out the spout and harm cops...what should the police do in this instance?

How did they know what his thoughts were? Perhaps he was thinking he best return the helmet to the cops or maybe he thought like your father in law that he needs to talk into the phone from a distance and not pressed tom his ear?

What would you have done if your father in law gets pushed over by the cops because they thought he was a danger as he had his phone in front of his face (innocently talking to your missus perhaps) attempting to film the cops and jam their signals? Would you be like you are here, its all his own fault? And before you come out with the whole my father in law would never do this, save it!

Timberrrrrrrr

extra gravy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/CNNPR/status/1270802155201576962?s=19

They've told him to shove his letter and didn't mince their words. He's only concerned with free speech when it suits him.

Love the guys name as well

Vigilante:D

extra gravy

frag420 wrote: »

So if I walked up to the police with a teapot in my hand and I believed it could fire bullets out the spout and harm cops...what should the police do in this instance?

:pac:

Overheal

Like Notobtuse, GOP Senators are themselves doing somersaults trying to peddle this conspiracy, the reason for this much testy grinding clearly being in order to keep their base of pro-police and senior voters from ripping each other apart. They really will die on this hill, because their only other choice is to acknowledge our police are out of control. But even this hill is backfiring on them: watch cavuto split his base between those with common sense and those who are on this train till the end of the line :pac:

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/foxs-cavuto-repeatedly-confronts-gop-senator-on-trumps-conspiratorial-claim-about-buffalo-protester/

Overheal

In other news: Trump decides Tulsa, OK is the next best location for a rally - and Juneteenth Is the day.

I have c o n c e r n.

ohnonotgmail

Overheal wrote: »

In other news: Trump decides Tulsa, OK is the next best location for a rally - and Juneteenth Is the day.

I have c o n c e r n.

the date is probably just a coincidence

eire4

extra gravy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/CNNPR/status/1270802155201576962?s=19

They've told him to shove his letter and didn't mince their words. He's only concerned with free speech when it suits him.

The president's attitude to free speach is more in line with Orwellian Newspeak. He is a dangerous demagogue and as such he will and wants to trample all over the first amendment as much as he can.

Overheal

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

the date is probably just a coincidence

Oh, naturally. No conniving neo nazi cabinet members influencing that decision

PropJoe10

eire4 wrote: »

The president's attitude to free speach is more in line with Orwellian Newspeak. He is a dangerous demagogue and as such he will and wants to trample all over the first amendment as much as he can.

I've been saying it for a while - "if" Trump is defeated in November, he'll refuse to accept it and challenge it all the way to the Supreme Court if he gets the chance. Anyone thinking that this guy is just going to disappear quietly is deluding themselves.

We can expect an all-out assault on any sort of negative news coverage about Trump in the next few months. 2016 was ugly, but this is going to be a hell of a lot worse.

one world order

Holy Trinity Sunday

Mr. President,

In recent months we have been witnessing the formation of two opposing sides that I would call Biblical: the children of light and the children of darkness. The children of light constitute the most conspicuous part of humanity, while the children of darkness represent an absolute minority. And yet the former are the object of a sort of discrimination which places them in a situation of moral inferiority with respect to their adversaries, who often hold strategic positions in government, in politics, in the economy and in the media. In an apparently inexplicable way, the good are held hostage by the wicked and by those who help them either out of self-interest or fearfulness.


These two sides, which have a Biblical nature, follow the clear separation between the offspring of the Woman and the offspring of the Serpent. On the one hand there are those who, although they have a thousand defects and weaknesses, are motivated by the desire to do good, to be honest, to raise a family, to engage in work, to give prosperity to their homeland, to help the needy, and, in obedience to the Law of God, to merit the Kingdom of Heaven. On the other hand, there are those who serve themselves, who do not hold any moral principles, who want to demolish the family and the nation, exploit workers to make themselves unduly wealthy, foment internal divisions and wars, and accumulate power and money: for them the fallacious illusion of temporal well-being will one day – if they do not repent – yield to the terrible fate that awaits them, far from God, in eternal damnation.

In society, Mr. President, these two opposing realities co-exist as eternal enemies, just as God and Satan are eternal enemies. And it appears that the children of darkness – whom we may easily identify with the deep state which you wisely oppose and which is fiercely waging war against you in these days – have decided to show their cards, so to speak, by now revealing their plans. They seem to be so certain of already having everything under control that they have laid aside that circumspection that until now had at least partially concealed their true intentions. The investigations already under way will reveal the true responsibility of those who managed the Covid emergency not only in the area of health care but also in politics, the economy, and the media. We will probably find that in this colossal operation of social engineering there are people who have decided the fate of humanity, arrogating to themselves the right to act against the will of citizens and their representatives in the governments of nations.

We will also discover that the riots in these days were provoked by those who, seeing that the virus is inevitably fading and that the social alarm of the pandemic is waning, necessarily have had to provoke civil disturbances, because they would be followed by repression which, although legitimate, could be condemned as an unjustified aggression against the population. The same thing is also happening in Europe, in perfect synchrony. It is quite clear that the use of street protests is instrumental to the purposes of those who would like to see someone elected in the upcoming presidential elections who embodies the goals of the deep state and who expresses those goals faithfully and with conviction. It will not be surprising if, in a few months, we learn once again that hidden behind these acts of vandalism and violence there are those who hope to profit from the dissolution of the social order so as to build a world without freedom: Solve et Coagula, as the Masonic adage teaches.

Although it may seem disconcerting, the opposing alignments I have described are also found in religious circles. There are faithful Shepherds who care for the flock of Christ, but there are also mercenary infidels who seek to scatter the flock and hand the sheep over to be devoured by ravenous wolves. It is not surprising that these mercenaries are allies of the children of darkness and hate the children of light: just as there is a deep state, there is also a deep church that betrays its duties and forswears its proper commitments before God. Thus the Invisible Enemy, whom good rulers fight against in public affairs, is also fought against by good shepherds in the ecclesiastical sphere. It is a spiritual battle, which I spoke about in my recent Appeal which was published on May 8.

For the first time, the United States has in you a President who courageously defends the right to life, who is not ashamed to denounce the persecution of Christians throughout the world, who speaks of Jesus Christ and the right of citizens to freedom of worship. Your participation in the March for Life, and more recently your proclamation of the month of April as National Child Abuse Prevention Month, are actions that confirm which side you wish to fight on. And I dare to believe that both of us are on the same side in this battle, albeit with different weapons.

ollkiller

notobtuse wrote: »

Sorry, but yes he did touch and he did interfere with them doing their jobs. I understand why you won't admit he did that, because then you would have to admit he was in the wrong and the police were only doing their jobs.

Christ above. Look you'll try anything to show something from your viewpoint but theres certain instances where you just have to go "ya no defending that" and move on. Repeatedly trying to defend something like this just means you wont get taken seriously in anything else you say.

Timberrrrrrrr

one world order wrote: »

Holy Trinity Sunday

Mr. President,

In recent months we have been witnessing the formation of two opposing sides that I would call Biblical: the children of light and the children of darkness. The children of light constitute the most conspicuous part of humanity, while the children of darkness represent an absolute minority. And yet the former are the object of a sort of discrimination which places them in a situation of moral inferiority with respect to their adversaries, who often hold strategic positions in government, in politics, in the economy and in the media. In an apparently inexplicable way, the good are held hostage by the wicked and by those who help them either out of self-interest or fearfulness.


These two sides, which have a Biblical nature, follow the clear separation between the offspring of the Woman and the offspring of the Serpent. On the one hand there are those who, although they have a thousand defects and weaknesses, are motivated by the desire to do good, to be honest, to raise a family, to engage in work, to give prosperity to their homeland, to help the needy, and, in obedience to the Law of God, to merit the Kingdom of Heaven. On the other hand, there are those who serve themselves, who do not hold any moral principles, who want to demolish the family and the nation, exploit workers to make themselves unduly wealthy, foment internal divisions and wars, and accumulate power and money: for them the fallacious illusion of temporal well-being will one day – if they do not repent – yield to the terrible fate that awaits them, far from God, in eternal damnation.

In society, Mr. President, these two opposing realities co-exist as eternal enemies, just as God and Satan are eternal enemies. And it appears that the children of darkness – whom we may easily identify with the deep state which you wisely oppose and which is fiercely waging war against you in these days – have decided to show their cards, so to speak, by now revealing their plans. They seem to be so certain of already having everything under control that they have laid aside that circumspection that until now had at least partially concealed their true intentions. The investigations already under way will reveal the true responsibility of those who managed the Covid emergency not only in the area of health care but also in politics, the economy, and the media. We will probably find that in this colossal operation of social engineering there are people who have decided the fate of humanity, arrogating to themselves the right to act against the will of citizens and their representatives in the governments of nations.

We will also discover that the riots in these days were provoked by those who, seeing that the virus is inevitably fading and that the social alarm of the pandemic is waning, necessarily have had to provoke civil disturbances, because they would be followed by repression which, although legitimate, could be condemned as an unjustified aggression against the population. The same thing is also happening in Europe, in perfect synchrony. It is quite clear that the use of street protests is instrumental to the purposes of those who would like to see someone elected in the upcoming presidential elections who embodies the goals of the deep state and who expresses those goals faithfully and with conviction. It will not be surprising if, in a few months, we learn once again that hidden behind these acts of vandalism and violence there are those who hope to profit from the dissolution of the social order so as to build a world without freedom: Solve et Coagula, as the Masonic adage teaches.

Although it may seem disconcerting, the opposing alignments I have described are also found in religious circles. There are faithful Shepherds who care for the flock of Christ, but there are also mercenary infidels who seek to scatter the flock and hand the sheep over to be devoured by ravenous wolves. It is not surprising that these mercenaries are allies of the children of darkness and hate the children of light: just as there is a deep state, there is also a deep church that betrays its duties and forswears its proper commitments before God. Thus the Invisible Enemy, whom good rulers fight against in public affairs, is also fought against by good shepherds in the ecclesiastical sphere. It is a spiritual battle, which I spoke about in my recent Appeal which was published on May 8.

For the first time, the United States has in you a President who courageously defends the right to life, who is not ashamed to denounce the persecution of Christians throughout the world, who speaks of Jesus Christ and the right of citizens to freedom of worship. Your participation in the March for Life, and more recently your proclamation of the month of April as National Child Abuse Prevention Month, are actions that confirm which side you wish to fight on. And I dare to believe that both of us are on the same side in this battle, albeit with different weapons.

So what you are saying is Trump is evil?

Edit: You copied this

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.sofx.com/2020/06/10/open-letter-to-president-donald-trump-carlo-maria-vigano/amp/


The words of Carlo Maria Viganò

one world order

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So what you are saying is Trump is evil?

Mass produced mainstream media and the deep state that control them.

Quin_Dub

Overheal wrote: »

In other news: Trump decides Tulsa, OK is the next best location for a rally - and Juneteenth Is the day.

I have c o n c e r n.

I can hear the dog whistle from here..

Timberrrrrrrr

one world order wrote: »

Mass produced mainstream media and the deep state that control them.

Ah right

So a conspiracy theory, you know there is a forum for that right?

Quin_Dub

notobtuse wrote: »

Have you seen how their poll was conducted? It was a joke and only meant to accomplish one thing... make republicans think voting is not worthwhile as Trump will lose by high margins and they should stay at home and not vote. They should be sued for that farce.

So - What about every other poll that came out in the last week or so that told almost exactly the same story?? - All showed Trumps support dropping sharply and had Biden with a clear lead way beyond the margins for error

All from this week -

Economist/YouGov - Biden +8
CNN - Biden +14
The Hill/HarrisX - Biden +10
Monmouth - Biden +11
Emerson - Biden +6
NPR/PBS/Marist - Biden +7

Leading to the RCP Average of Biden +8.1

But only CNN were guilty of false reporting though , are they going to send cease and desist letters to every single polling firm in the country??

Because not one shows anything materially different to what CNN show.

And Yes - everyone has seen how their poll was conducted , they published the methodology.

eagle eye

ollkiller wrote:

Christ above. Look you'll try anything to show something from your viewpoint but theres certain instances where you just have to go "ya no defending that" and move on. Repeatedly trying to defend something like this just means you wont get taken seriously in anything else you say.

You are pushing your side as much as he is pushing his.
Can you tell me where I'm wrong in my viewing of the video?
What I seen is a man walking in front of the cops. It's hard to make out if he touches the cop on his left but it does look like he touches the arm of the cop on his right. The cop on his right then puts his hand out in what appears like a move to brush him out of their way. Old man loses his balance and starts falling backwards and goes to the ground.

Overheal

We’ve gone from a shove to a brush now :rolleyes:

eagle eye

Overheal wrote:

We’ve gone from a shove to a brush now

Go through what you seen then.

Overheal

eagle eye wrote: »

Go through what you seen then.

For anyone that wasn’t a police officer that would be an attempted murder arrest for at least those 2 officers. For they, it’s 2nd-degree assault. What it is, is 2++ officers engaging in escalatory violence, against a man who the best apologists for police have raised the conjecture that he may have been menacing for the sake of scanning publicly accessible buffalo area police e frequencies. I see officers who can’t properly moderate their own physical force. Again the apologists say it’s the citizens fault for not being healthy enough to be assaulted by police, rather than it being an expectation of the officer to apply force appropriate to a 75-year old male protester or a 27-year old arsonist, just like they would be able to moderate the force they exert to simply play with their children at home. They clearly overexerted force given the outcome. Excessive force is objectively irrefutable in this case. Apologists want to say he touched him or he went for the gun yet no charges filed on the guy? Bull**** alert.

circular flexing

Quin_Dub wrote: »

So - What about every other poll that came out in the last week or so that told almost exactly the same story?? - All showed Trumps support dropping sharply and had Biden with a clear lead way beyond the margins for error

All from this week -

Economist/YouGov - Biden +8
CNN - Biden +14
The Hill/HarrisX - Biden +10
Monmouth - Biden +11
Emerson - Biden +6
NPR/PBS/Marist - Biden +7

Leading to the RCP Average of Biden +8.1

But only CNN were guilty of false reporting though , are they going to send cease and desist letters to every single polling firm in the country??

Because not one shows anything materially different to what CNN show.

And Yes - everyone has seen how their poll was conducted , they published the methodology.

The biggest (false) complaint the Trump campaign had was they thought the poll only asked adults and not registered voters. Some of the poll was adults but the Trump vs Biden question used the subset who were registered voters. One valid point the Trump campaign had was that more people are voting against Trump than for Biden which means (in my view) that the lead isn't solid.

ExMachina1000

Overheal wrote: »

For anyone that wasn’t a police officer that would be an attempted murder arrest for at least those 2 officers. For they, it’s 2nd-degree assault. What it is, is 2++ officers engaging in escalatory violence, against a man who the best apologists for police have raised the conjecture that he may have been menacing for the sake of scanning publicly accessible buffalo area police e frequencies. I see officers who can’t properly moderate their own physical force. Again the apologists say it’s the citizens fault for not being healthy enough to be assaulted by police, rather than it being an expectation of the officer to apply force appropriate to a 75-year old male protester or a 27-year old arsonist, just like they would be able to moderate the force they exert to simply play with their children at home. They clearly overexerted force given the outcome. Excessive force is objectively irrefutable in this case. Apologists want to say he touched him or he went for the gun yet no charges filed on the guy? Bull**** alert.

What do you think about the various demand lists being put forward by protestors?

duploelabs

This topic of the supposed scanner device really deserves it's own thread in the conspiracy forum as I don't see why it has anything to do with the thread title

ExMachina1000

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

The most commonly used indicator is debt to GDP. Using that, the US is ranked 12th whereas Ireland is ranked 52nd.

GDP is not relevant for Ireland. Multinationals moving profits here gives a totally skewed figure. Leprechaun economics they call it

ollkiller

eagle eye wrote: »

You are pushing your side as much as he is pushing his.
Can you tell me where I'm wrong in my viewing of the video?
What I seen is a man walking in front of the cops. It's hard to make out if he touches the cop on his left but it does look like he touches the arm of the cop on his right. The cop on his right then puts his hand out in what appears like a move to brush him out of their way. Old man loses his balance and starts falling backwards and goes to the ground.

If that's what you see I suggest a trip to Specsavers.

eagle eye

Overheal wrote:

For anyone that wasn’t a police officer that would be an attempted murder arrest for at least those 2 officers. For they, it’s 2nd-degree assault. What it is, is 2++ officers engaging in escalatory violence, against a man who the best apologists for police have raised the conjecture that he may have been menacing for the sake of scanning publicly accessible buffalo area police e frequencies. I see officers who can’t properly moderate their own physical force. Again the apologists say it’s the citizens fault for not being healthy enough to be assaulted by police, rather than it being an expectation of the officer to apply force appropriate to a 75-year old male protester or a 27-year old arsonist, just like they would be able to moderate the force they exert to simply play with their children at home. They clearly overexerted force given the outcome. Excessive force is objectively irrefutable in this case. Apologists want to say he touched him or he went for the gun yet no charges filed on the guy? Bull**** alert.

I asked you to tell me what you seen in the video. This response is not that.
Can you describe all the actions in the video?