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2020 US Presidential Election (aka: The Trump Coronation)

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    #6452
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    DrumSteve wrote: »
    What relevance is that to what I posted?
    It supports your claim of media bias and just goes to show even the 'supposed' best news publication in the US is nothing more than a biased rag.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #6453
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,574 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    notobtuse wrote: »
    I’m curious, what difference does it matter? Does the fact that the majority of Americans support the use of the military to put an end to the violence and mayhem at the protests get you behind it? If your goal was just some sort of insipid gotcha question, then please do your own work going forward. But I was incorrect on the 56% number, I should have said 58%.


    https://www.newsweek.com/majority-americans-support-calling-military-assist-police-during-nationwide-unrest-polling-shows-1508210

    So, a poll conducted immediately after the 3rd precinct building destruction and immediately before Trump abused military force for a photo op.

    I’d say attitudes have already changed remarkably since this poll was conducted and not in Tom Cottons favor.


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    #6454
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,654 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Why did you quote me here?

    Unintentional error - Edited to correct..


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    #6455
    da_miser
    Registered Users Posts: 640 ✭✭✭da_miser


    Not a single soul here knew about the Tulsa riots before that terrible TV show The Wokemen.
    Judging by the abysmal rating and no second season i would wager that most still dont know about it.


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    #6456
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,470 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    notobtuse wrote: »
    I’m curious, what difference does it matter? Does the fact that the majority of Americans support the use of the military to put an end to the violence and mayhem at the protests get you behind it? If your goal was just some sort of insipid gotcha question, then please do your own work going forward. But I was incorrect on the 56% number, I should have said 58%.


    https://www.newsweek.com/majority-americans-support-calling-military-assist-police-during-nationwide-unrest-polling-shows-1508210

    a week is a long time in politics.


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    #6457
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,470 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    da_miser wrote: »
    Not a single soul here knew about the Tulsa riots before that terrible TV show The Wokemen.
    Judging by the abysmal rating and no second season i would wager that most still dont know about it.

    probably best if you only speak about your own ignorance. you have no idea what anybody else is aware of.


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    #6458
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    da_miser wrote: »
    Not a single soul here knew about the Tulsa riots before that terrible TV show The Wokemen.
    Judging by the abysmal rating and no second season i would wager that most still dont know about it.

    Horeshít.

    I knew about them and never heard of that tv show. It's fairly well known among people who read.


    Is this nonsense doing the rounds on MAGA/Qanon twitter or something? I'm just curious as to where you picked up this pile of shíte that you felt was worth spreading to other places.


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    #6459
    Tork
    Registered Users Posts: 3,443 ✭✭✭Tork


    notobtuse wrote: »
    It supports your claim of media bias and just goes to show even the 'supposed' best news publication in the US is nothing more than a biased rag.

    Can you post us a list of news sources we should be referring to? Fox? Breitbart?


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    #6460
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,654 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    da_miser wrote: »
    Not a single soul here knew about the Tulsa riots before that terrible TV show The Wokemen.
    Judging by the abysmal rating and no second season i would wager that most still dont know about it.

    That's why it's called a "Dog Whistle" - Those that know , know and they will take the meaning that they are supposed to from it.

    Which is - We're still in charge and those "others" should know their place.

    Why choose Oklahoma? - A State that is about a solidly GOP as you can get , hasn't been won by a Democrat since 1964 , he won the state by 30 plus points.

    It's not a swing state , it's not going to help him win the Electoral college?

    Why does he choose to hold his very 1st rally in the immediate aftermath of the worst protests about Racism in decades , in the location of one of the worst cases of Racist violence in a century and also choose as the date of this rally the most significant date in the African American political calendar??

    Coincidence?

    I don't bloody think so.


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    #6461
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,574 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    That's why it's called a "Dog Whistle" - Those that know , know and they will take the meaning that they are supposed to from it.

    Which is - We're still in charge and those "others" should know their place.

    Why choose Oklahoma? - A State that is about a solidly GOP as you can get , hasn't been won by a Democrat since 1964 , he won the state by 30 plus points.

    It's not a swing state , it's not going to help him win the Electoral college?

    Why does he chose for his very 1st rally , in the immediate aftermath of the worst protests about Racism in decades , the location of one of the worst cases of Racist violence in a century and also chose as the date of this rally the most significant date in the African American political calendar??

    Coincidence?

    I don't bloody think so.

    Even people who want to delude themselves into thinking Trump has no idea what a breathtaking coincidence this is cannot explain away the senior adviser to the President, Stephen Miller, blatant white nationalist, who has been assigned the duty of writing his speech, from knowing it.


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    #6462
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    a week is a long time in politics.
    The survey was 5/31-6/1, and reported on 6/2, Cotton’s piece was 6/3. Maybe we should now measure polls by the hour?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #6463
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Tork wrote: »
    Can you post us a list of news sources we should be referring to? Fox? Breitbart?
    https://www.c-span.org/
    https://www.allsides.com/unbiased-balanced-news

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #6464
    ollkiller
    Registered Users Posts: 867 ✭✭✭ollkiller


    da_miser wrote: »
    Not a single soul here knew about the Tulsa riots before that terrible TV show The Wokemen.
    Judging by the abysmal rating and no second season i would wager that most still dont know about it.

    Well some people do actually read history you know. And Damein Lindelof wrote the season as a stand alone season. He never planned for a second season.


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    #6465
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,470 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    notobtuse wrote: »
    The survey was 5/31-6/1, Cotton’s piece was 6/3. Maybe we should now measure polls by the hour?

    so more than a week then.


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    #6466
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    so more than a week then.
    Ahhh...... NO. His op ed was two days after the poll, and one day after it was reported on.

    How about 58% of the people having somewhat the same views as what Cotton wrote and the NY Times proving they bow to wokeness? The NY Times has published pieces from Russian president Vladimir Putin, the Iranian foreign minister, and a leader of the Muslim brotherhood. But dear gawd we can't have a piece from a republican Senator... Heads shall roll!

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #6467
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,574 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Does notobtuse know that it’s the 11th, well more than a week since the piece aired, well more than a week since the poll ran and a lot had changed in that time, including the actual deployment and subsequent withdrawal of the national guard, and trumps teargas photo op? What about police raiding peoples homes in the District and shooting people at their own doorsteps? Blasting children in the face with teargas canisters? Blackhawks and other helicopters flying dangerously low over protestors? Hundreds of former pentagon workers speaking out? Generals and admirals even? How does notobtuse expect that public opinion has shifted favorably toward militarization in the past 10 days?


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    #6468
    Moghead
    Registered Users Posts: 355 ✭✭Moghead


    da_miser wrote: »
    Not a single soul here knew about the Tulsa riots before that terrible TV show The Wokemen.
    Judging by the abysmal rating and no second season i would wager that most still dont know about it.

    I knew about it.


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    #6469
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,574 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Even the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff has apologized for his role in the teargas photo op scandal. The most senior and high ranking officer in the whole of the armed services.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2020/06/11/pentagons-top-general-apologizes-appearing-alongside-trump-lafayette-square/

    Losing military votes losing evangelical votes losing black votes losing independents as well. It’s no rocket surgery that trump is cratering in the polls.


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    #6470
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,654 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Overheal wrote: »
    Even the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff has apologized for his role in the teargas photo op scandal. The most senior and high ranking officer in the whole of the armed services.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2020/06/11/pentagons-top-general-apologizes-appearing-alongside-trump-lafayette-square/

    Losing military votes losing evangelical votes losing black votes losing independents as well. It’s no rocket surgery that trump is cratering in the polls.

    According to the details in all the latest polls, the only category of voter where he has a significant lead is with White , Over 50 , Non-College educated Men.

    The NFL and Nascar target audience - And both of those organisations have come out strongly in support of the recent protests.


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    #6471
    kilns
    Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    I’m pretty sure Trump has just threatened to invade Seattle. For those on here worried about Biden’s functioning mind I think Trumps is already a list cause


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    #6472
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,574 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    kilns wrote: »
    I’m pretty sure Trump has just threatened to invade Seattle. For those on here worried about Biden’s functioning mind I think Trumps is already a list cause

    Even his own staff have started muting his twitter feed


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    #6473
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    not simplistic, just wrong. the states have control over what happens in their cities not the federal government. the federal government has no right to send in the national guard to stop riots

    Washington D.C. is the normal exception. It is, technically, possible under a subset of the Insurrection Act for the Federal government to move troops in specifically against the wishes of the State (and has been done in the past, Arkansas 1957, for example) , but the standard is pretty high. However, as things are calming down, it seems to be a redundant discussion.
    Brian? wrote: »
    Isn't the National Guard a state militia?

    By default, yes, until the feds state otherwise. (D.C. national guard being, again, the exception).


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    #6474
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 38,585 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    DrumSteve wrote:
    What a strange way of viewing things.

    As an aside, how many right wing viewpoints would be considered "unbiased"?
    There is bias in everything.
    Personally I don't read from biased sources on either side unless they get linked to here and even then I'll research the source if I feel its a big ott.
    Rather is different though, he is a proven liar and those lies have always had an anti-Republican agenda.
    I quoted the poster regarding using Dan Rather. I didn't discuss his post at all.
    It just irks me when people post links from known agenda driven liars.
    If you don't agree that's your right.


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    #6475
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,574 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Trump has now added over $6 Trillion to the national debt. 3.5 years. And he inherited a great economy. By the same measuring stick Obama oversaw $9T in 8 years at the head of a global recession. Where are the fiscal conservatives now?


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    #6476
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    I believe a state’s National Guard can be federalized under Title 10. The Guard units are placed under the control of the secretary of defense and the president, and the federal government pays their costs.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #6477
    da_miser
    Registered Users Posts: 640 ✭✭✭da_miser


    Overheal wrote: »
    Stephen Miller, blatant white nationalist,

    So in the warped logic of the left , Stephen Miller, a Jew, is a Nazi?


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    #6478
    da_miser
    Registered Users Posts: 640 ✭✭✭da_miser


    ollkiller wrote: »
    And Damein Lindelof wrote the season as a stand alone season. He never planned for a second season.

    The cope is strong with this one, it bombed big style, viewers did not watch , and it cost HBO money.


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    #6479
    Cody montana
    Registered Users Posts: 5,331 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Why is the Dow Jones flatlining?


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    #6480
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,470 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Personally I don't read from biased sources on either side unless they get linked to here and even then I'll research the source if I feel its a big ott.
    Rather is different though, he is a proven liar and those lies have always had an anti-Republican agenda.
    I quoted the poster regarding using Dan Rather. I didn't discuss his post at all.
    It just irks me when people post links from known agenda driven liars.
    If you don't agree that's your right.

    dan rather stated a fact. trump is holding a rally on the anniversary of a massacre. where is the bias in that?


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    #6481
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,597 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    The source isn't a factual one. The content is irrelevant in that case.

    What? If he is telling the truth then of course the content is relevant!

    Trump is a known serial liar, therefore we should ignore anything he says going by your standards.


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