2020 US Presidential Election (aka: The Trump Coronation)

Silentcorner

I can see Hillary Clinton playing some role in the coming months....with predicable disaster!!

I don't follow or consume US media so...I could be way off.

But she would have the financial ability to join the race in some capacity.

Silentcorner

Silentcorner wrote: »

I can see Hillary Clinton playing some role in the coming months....with predicable disaster!!

I don't follow or consume US media so...I could be way off.

But she would have the financial ability to join the race in some capacity.

Hillary is a tainted brand, the DNC wouldn't allow self-inflicted harm twice. Trump versus Covid-19 considering the startling cognitive decline of Biden. Sanders a much stronger candidate who was too progressive for a neoliberal corporatist base.

Edgware

4 more years, 4 more year. !! Lock her up, drain the swamp!!!

KiKi III

Deleted User wrote: »

Hillary is a tainted brand, the DNC wouldn't allow self-inflicted harm twice. Trump versus Covid-19 considering the startling cognitive decline of Biden. Sanders a much stronger candidate who was too progressive for a neoliberal corporatist base.

It'll be interesting to see what role Obama plays as a surrogate now that Joe is the presumptive nominee.

Eric Cartman

KiKi III wrote: »

It'll be interesting to see what role Obama plays as a surrogate now that Joe is the presumptive nominee.

I wouldn't even be slightly shocked if he took Michelle as VP , plays that fuzzy diversity card thats more important than policy to the dem's but still leaves 'political experience' in the driving seat and a female vp helps him have a voice at the table about the frankly disturbing pictures of Joe with young girls.

Edgware

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I wouldn't even be slightly shocked if he took Michelle as VP , plays that fuzzy diversity card thats more important than policy to the dem's but still leaves 'political experience' in the driving seat and a female vp helps him have a voice at the table about the frankly disturbing pictures of Joe with young girls.

I have seen badges in New York "Michelle 2020" Biden could do worse to tie up the Obama vote

KiKi III

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I wouldn't even be slightly shocked if he took Michelle as VP , plays that fuzzy diversity card thats more important than policy to the dem's but still leaves 'political experience' in the driving seat and a female vp helps him have a voice at the table about the frankly disturbing pictures of Joe with young girls.

I wouldn't be surprised if he offered it to her, but I haven't seen anything to indicate it's a job she wants. Kamala Harris far more likely in terms of black women.

Eric Cartman

Edgware wrote: »

I have seen badges in New York "Michelle 2020" Biden could do worse to tie up the Obama vote

it also gives her the experience to get elected during the second term that joes mental deterioration definitely will not allow him serve.

Outlaw Pete

KiKi III wrote: »

I don't know. The best case scenario according to Trump is 100,000 deaths. If each of those people has 100 people they interact with regularly (extended family, friends, colleagues, local community) that's TEN MILLION people (correct me if my maths is wrong?) who will directly know someone who died as a result of a crisis Trump managed poorly.

If it ends up being 200,000 that's 20 million.

For most people, that will hit home more than any political message from any side.

The flaw in your logic is that not everyone who will have known someone who has died from the Coronavirus will be blaming Donald Trump. That's just your assumption based on your political bias and there's a lot of that particular cognitive dissonance about right now but it's not backed up by either facts or even critical thinking and indeed falls apart under even the most rudimentary scrutiny.

Even right now what I am hearing from those who voted for DT is that they do not think negatively of him remotely for his handling of the crisis and in fact believe the administration acting as early as they did (Jan 28th) and their willingness to act on the recommendations of Fauci, was all that could really be asked from him and the administration. They see the spin from democrats and the media spin but they didn't buy it along the way and they are not buying it now either, particularly given that as more and more facts come out we are seeing that Trump was right about certain calls he made and which the dems/media lambasted him for.

Mostly though, what I am hearing (and seeing) is that those who support Trump and who were happy with the job he had been doing before this crisis began (with regards to keeping the promises he made on the campaign trail) is that they are furious with how the democrats behaved early on, labelling Trump a racist when he called for the travel restrictions from China for example, at the behest of Dr. Fauci, and how dems in congress like Pelosi then went to Chinatown and called for Americans to come on down, clearly an act done just to spite Donald Trump and which for sure put American lives at risk.

The New York mayor even encouraging people on Mar 3rd to go out on the town:


https://twitter.com/billdeblasio/status/1234648718714036229


Should we suggest that he is responsible for the deaths of thousands as you have done re Donald Trump? Of course not, they're democrats, right. Double standards a plenty.

Truth is, the situation as bad as it is could easily be much worse had the Trump administration not taken the actions they did in late Jan and all signs are that if a democrat was in the Oval they would have been more concerned about coming across as racist and so likely not to have implemented the much needed flight and travel restrictions out of fear of that. Playing identity politics at the beginnings of this crisis might not be something the MSM are discussing right now (they tend to move from one false narrative to the next very quickly) but that does not mean it has been ignored elsewhere.

One other aspect is that Americans (as well as the rest of the world) are going to want to see that the mishandling of the Wuhan Coronavirus is thoroughly investigated and that if the CCP is found to have withheld data from those they were supposed to be transparent with, that there be consequences for that. The likelihood that a democrat would come through in that regard is slim to say the very least and that is yet another reason why the chances of Trump getting elected is higher than many would wish it to be.

Mental Mickey

Missed most of the briefing - what rubbish was he spouting this time?

AllForIt

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I wouldn't even be slightly shocked if he took Michelle as VP , plays that fuzzy diversity card thats more important than policy to the dem's but still leaves 'political experience' in the driving seat and a female vp helps him have a voice at the table about the frankly disturbing pictures of Joe with young girls.

I don't see that myself. For me it's as unlikely as Oprah ever running.


Now, as predicted, Sanders is out. The socialist agenda always start's out looking like some great new movement and then withers away suddenly when faced with it becoming a reality. I think he lasted longer last time if memory serves.

MeMen2_MoRi_

Trump logic...

https://i.redd.it/3s6bsr3wwkr41.jpg

2u2me

Look lads, we have Trump who is president during 'wartime' and who has proven to be a master of Kayfabe.
Then we have Biden who the WaPo agree it's "Fair to speculate whether Biden is mentally fit for president".

The virtual coinflip betting shops have this at right is nothing short of a joke in my opinion.

mcmoustache

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Even right now what I am hearing from those who voted for DT is that they do not think negatively of him remotely for his handling of the crisis and in fact believe the administration acting as early as they did (Jan 28th) and their willingness to act on the recommendations of Fauci, was all that could really be asked from him and the administration. They see the spin from democrats and the media spin but they didn't buy it along the way and they are not buying it now either, particularly given that as more and more facts come out we are seeing that Trump was right about certain calls he made and which the dems/media lambasted him for.

Mostly though, what I am hearing (and seeing) is that those who support Trump and who were happy with the job he had been doing before this crisis began (with regards to keeping the promises he made on the campaign trail) is that they are furious with how the democrats behaved early on, labelling Trump a racist when he called for the travel restrictions from China for example, at the behest of Dr. Fauci, and how dems in congress like Pelosi then went to Chinatown and called for Americans to come on down, clearly an act done just to spite Donald Trump and which for sure put American lives at risk.

I'm getting strong North Korean media vibes off that post of yours. If you consider blocking flights from a single country to be "decisive action" in a Pan(the clue is in the name)demic, I guess we'll have to wait and see if this "decisive action" had the desired effect. It might work and keep the virus out of the the United States or it might be like stopping one child from pissing into the septic tank in the hopes that that the stink goes away.

MadYaker

“The Wuhan corona virus” you’re such a loyal foot solider Outlaw Pete I’m sure trump would be real proud :pac:

Any investigation into what happened in China will never happen no matter who’s in Oval Office.

After banning flights why didn’t trump do anything to stop the virus spreading within the US? Why did he tell everyone it would disappear?

The Phantom Jipper

2u2me wrote: »

Look lads, we have Trump who is president during 'wartime' and who has proven to be a master of Kayfabe.
Then we have Biden who the WaPo agree it's "Fair to speculate whether Biden is mentally fit for president".

The virtual coinflip betting shops have this at right is nothing short of a joke in my opinion.

Trump is down 6 in Florida apparently. Biden looks good value at evens if that's the case.

kilns

notobtuse wrote: »

Oh, we’ll be quite okay. Thanks for your concern, though.

If you think your country is ok, I would have concerns about you too

notobtuse

kilns wrote: »

If you think your country is ok, I would have concerns about you too

Oh, we’re going through a rough patch with the COVID-19 pandemic, but we’ll emerge eventually in fine shape... especially with Trump at the helm. And when your, and other European countries, come asking for help, due to consequences arising with the pandemic, from the US I’m sure we’ll find it in our hearts and pocketbooks to oblige.

notobtuse

The Phantom Jipper wrote: »

Trump is down 6 in Florida apparently. Biden looks good value at evens if that's the case.

I wouldn't bet the farm if I were you.

kilns

notobtuse wrote: »

Oh, we’re going through a rough patch with the COVID-19 pandemic, but we’ll emerge eventually in fine shape... especially with Trump at the helm. And when your, and other European countries, come asking for help, due to consequences arising with the pandemic, from the US I’m sure we’ll find it in our hearts and pocketbooks to oblige.

So you think your country was ok even before this pandemic? A country where a woman who gives birth is not entitled to maternity leave by law. I wonder what country you share that honour with, take a guess.

And a political system which is so corrupted with money and special interests it would make even even some tin pot corrupt countries blush

I could go on and on.

No country is perfect but the US is way down the list. The one thing that keeps the USA a force in the world is the dollar, take that away and their strength dwindles

You have a lot to fix and I dont think an egomaniac conman is the answer and for that fact nor is Biden but the one thing going for him he wont let his ego drive policy

notobtuse

kilns wrote: »

So you think your country was ok even before this pandemic? A country where a woman who gives birth is not entitled to maternity leave by law. I wonder what country you share that honour with, take a guess.

And a political system which is so corrupted with money and special interests it would make even even some tin pot corrupt countries blush

I could go on and on.

No country is perfect but the US is way down the list. The one thing that keeps the USA a force in the world is the dollar, take that away and their strength dwindles

You have a lot to fix and I dont think an egomaniac conman is the answer and for that fact nor is Biden but the one thing going for him he wont let his ego drive policy

You have got to clean your own house first before you tell other people that they aren't doing it right. ~ Daniel Webster

kilns

notobtuse wrote: »

You have got to clean your own house first before you tell other people that they aren't doing it right. ~ Daniel Webster

I am Irish but live in Switzerland and have lived in the US also and to be honest as much as I love the US and its people there is no comparison so where I am the house is very clean and can scoff at the dirty neighbours on the other side of the lake....

Eric Cartman

mcmoustache wrote: »

I'm getting strong North Korean media vibes off that post of yours. If you consider blocking flights from a single country to be "decisive action" in a Pan(the clue is in the name)demic, I guess we'll have to wait and see if this "decisive action" had the desired effect. It might work and keep the virus out of the the United States or it might be like stopping one child from pissing into the septic tank in the hopes that that the stink goes away.

At the time when trump called for that it was still the Chinese wuhan corona virus. But then trump was a racist and now that the Chinese governments lax controls have allowed the entire world to be infected , he didn't do enough fast enough.

kilns

Eric Cartman wrote: »

At the time when trump called for that it was still the Chinese wuhan corona virus. But then trump was a racist and now that the Chinese governments lax controls have allowed the entire world to be infected , he didn't do enough fast enough.

when was it officially ever called the Chinese wuhan corona virus?

notobtuse

kilns wrote: »

I am Irish but live in Switzerland and have lived in the US also and to be honest as much as I love the US and its people there is no comparison so where I am the house is very clean and can scoff at the dirty neighbours on the other side of the lake....

Odd, wouldn't you say, why so many, many, many more people try coming to the US (legally and illegally) than Ireland or Switzerland. Must be one of those mysteries of the universe, eh?

notobtuse

Eric Cartman wrote: »

At the time when trump called for that it was still the Chinese wuhan corona virus. But then trump was a racist and now that the Chinese governments lax controls have allowed the entire world to be infected , he didn't do enough fast enough.

No matter what... Orange Man Bad.

notobtuse

kilns wrote: »

when was it officially ever called the Chinese wuhan corona virus?

Heard that term a lot before the political correct COVID-19 was introduced, rather than what it should have been called... CCBGV (Chinese Commie Bat Gobblers Virus).

Cody montana

kilns wrote: »

when was it officially ever called the Chinese wuhan corona virus?

Never.

kilns

notobtuse wrote: »

Odd, wouldn't you say, why so many, many, many more people try coming to the US (legally and illegally) than Ireland or Switzerland. Must be one of those mysteries of the universe, eh?

ha ha seriously

You could write a book on that reason alone but do you really think those desperate to go to America know anything about their economy, system of Govt. etc? They are sold a dream, which while may be better than their own country can still turn into a nightmare.

Perhaps the system for dealing with incoming workers and asylum seekers is fairer and better run, heck do Switzerland or Ireland put kids in cages for coming to the country

kilns

notobtuse wrote: »

Heard that term a lot before the political correct COVID-19 was introduced, rather than what it should have been called... CCBGV (Chinese Commie Bat Gobblers Virus).

Maybe on OANN or Fox where you no doubt get your news