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2020 US Presidential Election (aka: The Trump Coronation)

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    #7322
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,765 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Trumps definitely rattled


    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1273468029712707584?s=19

    It's so disgusting having this low rent thug in the White House.

    I think the game is up anyway, main thing is to handle his inevitable tantrum when he loses.

    My prediction is he will have to be escorted out in January. A sad and pathetic spectacle but I expect it to happen that way.


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    #7323
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,597 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    It's so disgusting having this low rent thug in the White House.

    I think the game is up anyway, main thing is to handle his inevitable tantrum when he loses.

    My prediction is he will have to be escorted out in January. A sad and pathetic spectacle but I expect it to happen that way.

    You can see it now, armed "militia" surrounding the WH as Trump rage tweets from within about how the Dems have "stolen" the election.


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    #7324
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,765 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    You can see it now, armed "militia" surrounding the WH as Trump rage tweets from within about how the Dems have "stolen" the election.

    Already being discussed openly in the media, a lot of insiders don't think he will leave willingly.

    To be fair I think we have all suspected this a for a while. He is already building the narrative of being cheated in advance.


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    #7325
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,597 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Already being discussed openly in the media, a lot of insiders don't think he will leave willingly.

    To be fair I think we have all suspected this a for a while. He is already building the narrative of being cheated in advance.

    The same way he did against Clinton, if he lost it was because it was stolen because no way could he ever lose.

    This election is a shìtstorm waiting to happen.


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    #7326
    DrPhilG
    Registered Users Posts: 12,349 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    To be fair I think we have all suspected this a for a while. He is already building the narrative of being cheated in advance.

    Same way Nancy Pelosi and her merry band did during the impeachment?

    "We have to get rid of Trump otherwise the results in November can't be trusted"

    That's paraphrasing by the way, before anyone gets all upset and demands quotes, video and DNA evidence.

    The constant narrative from politicians and the media was that Trump fiddled the last election and would do it again. In other words they were laying the groundwork for being cheated just in case he won.

    Trump WILL do the same, of course. But how many people here were mocking the Democrats a few months ago when they were employing the same tactic?

    Same way Eagle Eye and myself have been derided for not being medical experts when we suggest that Joe Biden may have signs of dementia. 5 minutes later and Donald Trump has serious medical issues because he struggles to raise a drink without using a second hand.

    Double standards all day long here.


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    #7327
    DrPhilG
    Registered Users Posts: 12,349 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Brian? wrote: »
    Can you quote one of my posts where I attacks Trump based on his health please?

    Can you quote one of my posts where I said that you did?


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    #7328
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,470 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    DrPhilG wrote: »
    Same way Nancy Pelosi and her merry band did during the impeachment?

    "We have to get rid of Trump otherwise the results in November can't be trusted"

    That's paraphrasing by the way, before anyone gets all upset and demands quotes, video and DNA evidence.

    The constant narrative from politicians and the media was that Trump fiddled the last election and would do it again. In other words they were laying the groundwork for being cheated just in case he won.

    Trump WILL do the same, of course. But how many people here were mocking the Democrats a few months ago when they were employing the same tactic?

    Same way Eagle Eye and myself have been derided for not being medical experts when we suggest that Joe Biden may have signs of dementia. 5 minutes later and Donald Trump has serious medical issues because he struggles to raise a drink without using a second hand.

    Double standards all day long here.

    trumps issues extend beyond being unable to drink from a glass with one hand. and your "both sides" schtick is tiresome


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    #7329
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    DrPhilG wrote: »
    Can you quote one of my posts where I said that you did?

    Then what exactly was ironic?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #7330
    Igotadose
    Registered Users Posts: 13,605 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Fivethirtyeight's come out with Biden at +9 nationwide across a range of polls. 368 electoral votes to 170 if those numbers continue, about what Clinton won by in both elections

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/our-new-polling-averages-show-biden-leads-trump-by-9-points-nationally/


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    #7331
    DrPhilG
    Registered Users Posts: 12,349 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Brian? wrote: »
    Then what exactly was ironic?

    You were criticising someone for having a one sided view, criticising Biden universally whilst defending Trump universally.

    It's ironic because a high % of the posters here do the exact same thing but the other way around. I didn't say you were one of them, just that it was ironic that you were criticising the lack of objectivity whilst blissfully unaware of those doing the same thing from a pro-Biden point of view.

    This thread is a reflection of US politics in general. If you're not whole heartedly partisan you will be condemned by both sides.

    For example...
    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    your "both sides" schtick is tiresome
    It's like a prosecutor telling a judge that he shouldn't hear the defence case because this "both sides schtick" is just tiresome. Can't we just take my word as gospel and get on with it your honour?


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    #7332
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    DrPhilG wrote: »
    You were criticising someone for having a one sided view, criticising Biden universally whilst defending Trump universally.

    It's ironic because a high % of the posters here do the exact same thing but the other way around. I didn't say you were one of them, just that it was ironic that you were criticising the lack of objectivity whilst blissfully unaware of those doing the same thing from a pro-Biden point of view.

    This thread is a reflection of US politics in general. If you're not whole heartedly partisan you will be condemned by both sides.
    ?

    It’s only ironic if I had a go at Trumps mental health while defending Biden. I’m not included in that “high %”, so please don’t quote my posts to take cheap shots.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #7333
    DrPhilG
    Registered Users Posts: 12,349 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Brian? wrote: »
    It’s only ironic if I had a go at Trumps mental health while defending Biden. I’m not included in that “high %”, so please don’t quote my posts to take cheap shots.

    1 - it's entirely ironic that someone is complaining about one sided Trump support whilst ignoring one sided Biden support.

    2 - with all due respect, I'll quote who I please. I didn't insult you, call you names or otherwise act inappropriately. If you feel that I broke thread rules in doing so, report me.

    3 - it wasn't a cheap shot, it was a valid point.


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    #7334
    MadYaker
    Registered Users Posts: 12,223 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    DrPhilG wrote: »
    Same way Nancy Pelosi and her merry band did during the impeachment?

    "We have to get rid of Trump otherwise the results in November can't be trusted"

    That's paraphrasing by the way, before anyone gets all upset and demands quotes, video and DNA evidence.

    The constant narrative from politicians and the media was that Trump fiddled the last election and would do it again. In other words they were laying the groundwork for being cheated just in case he won.

    Trump WILL do the same, of course. But how many people here were mocking the Democrats a few months ago when they were employing the same tactic?

    Same way Eagle Eye and myself have been derided for not being medical experts when we suggest that Joe Biden may have signs of dementia. 5 minutes later and Donald Trump has serious medical issues because he struggles to raise a drink without using a second hand.

    Double standards all day long here.

    There was no narrative that trump fiddled the last election. How could there have been when he lost by 2 million votes? The only narrative was the one trump started by saying millions of illegals voted for Hillary.
    There was an investigation into Russia’s attempt to influence the election and their contacts with the trump campaign. This led to a few convictions and spawned other investigations which are still ongoing.

    You can’t just change historical events in an attempt to make a false point about double standards.


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    #7335
    MadYaker
    Registered Users Posts: 12,223 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    DrPhilG wrote: »
    Same way Nancy Pelosi and her merry band did during the impeachment?

    "We have to get rid of Trump otherwise the results in November can't be trusted"

    That's paraphrasing by the way, before anyone gets all upset and demands quotes, video and DNA evidence.

    The constant narrative from politicians and the media was that Trump fiddled the last election and would do it again. In other words they were laying the groundwork for being cheated just in case he won.

    Trump WILL do the same, of course. But how many people here were mocking the Democrats a few months ago when they were employing the same tactic?

    Same way Eagle Eye and myself have been derided for not being medical experts when we suggest that Joe Biden may have signs of dementia. 5 minutes later and Donald Trump has serious medical issues because he struggles to raise a drink without using a second hand.

    Double standards all day long here.

    There was no narrative that trump fiddled the last election. How could there have been when he lost by 2 million votes? The only narrative was the one trump started by saying millions of illegals voted for Hillary.
    There was an investigation into Russia’s attempt to influence the election and their contacts with the trump campaign. This led to a few convictions and spawned other investigations which are still ongoing.

    You can’t just change historical events in an attempt to make a false point about double standards.


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    #7336
    kilns
    Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    I get the feeling that Fox News is starting to turn on Trump from the tones of how they are reporting him, of course the talking nodding heads later in the night will die on the hill with him.

    But OAN are the new cheerleaders. Even log on to the site and not even a mention of John Bolton. Its crazy that some people only read one news source and get the views from that. Thats North Korea type stuff


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    #7337
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    DrPhilG wrote: »
    1 - it's entirely ironic that someone is complaining about one sided Trump support whilst ignoring one sided Biden support.

    2 - with all due respect, I'll quote who I please. I didn't insult you, call you names or otherwise act inappropriately. If you feel that I broke thread rules in doing so, report me.

    3 - it wasn't a cheap shot, it was a valid point.

    hypocritical is the word you're looking for here not ironic (btw not just you the others as well).


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    #7338
    DrPhilG
    Registered Users Posts: 12,349 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    MadYaker wrote: »
    There was no narrative that trump fiddled the last election. How could there have been when he lost by 2 million votes? The only narrative was the one trump started by saying millions of illegals voted for Hillary.
    There was an investigation into Russia’s attempt to influence the election and their contacts with the trump campaign. This led to a few convictions and spawned other investigations which are still ongoing.

    You can’t just change historical events in an attempt to make a false point about double standards.

    The accusation was that Trump colluded with Russia in order to interfere with or swing the results of the election in 2016.

    During the impeachment, Democrat politicians and left leaning TV stations pushed the narrative that if he wasn't pulled up for that, then the 2020 election results could not be trusted.

    In other words they were laying the groundwork for their excuse if the Democrats lost (which looked likely at the time). Same thing that Trump will now do because it looks like he's on the way out.

    Both sides will make cheap excuses and have them ready in case they lose.


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    #7339
    duploelabs
    Registered Users Posts: 11,457 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    DrPhilG wrote: »
    The accusation was that Trump colluded with Russia in order to interfere with or swing the results of the election in 2016.

    During the impeachment, Democrat politicians and left leaning TV stations pushed the narrative that if he wasn't pulled up for that, then the 2020 election results could not be trusted.
    Not that the 2020 results couldn't be trusted, more that unless they impeach him then he will try and do it again. Slight but major difference


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    #7340
    DrPhilG
    Registered Users Posts: 12,349 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    duploelabs wrote: »
    Not that the 2020 results couldn't be trusted, more that unless they impeach him then he will try and do it again. Slight but major difference

    Not really, one implies the other. If he tries again he might succeed which would mean that it wasn't a fair result, i.e. cannot be trusted.

    Even if you disagree with the "not trusted" description, the point is the same. There's no point laughing (although it is laughable) at claims by Trump that the Democrats are going to cheat and steal the election, when that was the exact same tactic used by Schiff & others during the impeachment.
    Adam Schiff wrote:
    You can’t trust this president to do the right thing. Not one minute. Not for one election. Not for the sake of our country. You just can’t. He will not change and you know it. What are the odds if left in office that he will continue trying to cheat? I will tell you: 100%. Not 5, not 10, not 50, but 100%. If you have found him guilty and you do not remove him from office, he will continue trying to cheat in the election until he succeeds.


    https://washingtonmonthly.com/2020/02/05/the-trump-campaign-signaled-that-they-will-cheat-in-the-2020-election/

    https://thehill.com/homenews/media/499281-michael-moore-the-only-way-trump-wins-in-2020-is-if-he-cheats?amp

    https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/606643/


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    #7341
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    DrPhilG wrote: »
    1 - it's entirely ironic that someone is complaining about one sided Trump support whilst ignoring one sided Biden support.

    I think you and Alannis need to join me in my “Irony for Beginners” class.
    2 - with all due respect, I'll quote who I please. I didn't insult you, call you names or otherwise act inappropriately. If you feel that I broke thread rules in doing so, report me.

    Unbunch your underpants there horse. I never said you insulted me. You quoted my post when there was nothing ironic about it. Which brings me to...
    3 - it wasn't a cheap shot, it was a valid point.

    You think posting a gif is a valid point? I would strongly disagree. It was a cheap shot, because you took zero time to justify your post.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #7342
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    kilns wrote: »
    I get the feeling that Fox News is starting to turn on Trump from the tones of how they are reporting him, of course the talking nodding heads later in the night will die on the hill with him.

    But OAN are the new cheerleaders. Even log on to the site and not even a mention of John Bolton. Its crazy that some people only read one news source and get the views from that. Thats North Korea type stuff

    Interestingly, my IPTV provider added OANN to my package yesterday. I watched it for a few hours, it’s like it exists in a parallel universe to all other new networks. I love it

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #7343
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    timsey tiger wrote: »
    hypocritical is the word you're looking for here not ironic (btw not just you the others as well).

    I think he was trying to call me a hypocrite alright. But the shoe still doesn’t fit.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #7344
    DrPhilG
    Registered Users Posts: 12,349 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Brian? wrote: »
    Unbunch your underpants there horse.

    Wait, I've got it right this time... You're being hypocritical.

    I've been perfectly calm. You're the one getting in a strop and telling not to quote you anymore.


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    #7345
    DrPhilG
    Registered Users Posts: 12,349 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Brian? wrote: »
    You think posting a gif is a valid point? I would strongly disagree. It was a cheap shot, because you took zero time to justify your post.

    What's the point in explaining it? Now that I've accused you of hypocrisy rather than being ironic, you still don't admit it.

    You pulled someone up for not having a balanced objective view. Yet you have not pulled up the majority of posters in this thread for doing the exact same thing on a regular basis.

    That makes you a hypocrite.


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    #7346
    PropJoe10
    Registered Users Posts: 5,318 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    This thread has turned into a thread of personal comments and score settling. Great for the popcorn consumption though :D


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    #7347
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,547 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    SCOTUS just struck down Trump admins attempts to end DACA.


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    #7348
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    DrPhilG wrote: »
    Wait, I've got it right this time... You're being hypocritical.

    I've been perfectly calm. You're the one getting in a strop and telling not to quote you anymore.

    You can quote me any time you want man. Just don't quote me to take a cheap shot, when it isn't me you should be aiming at.

    You've a real low bar for what you consider a strip.

    I take it since you edited out the other parts of my post and didn't try to refute them you agree I was right?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #7349
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    DrPhilG wrote: »
    What's the point in explaining it? Now that I've accused you of hypocrisy rather than being ironic, you still don't admit it.

    You pulled someone up for not having a balanced objective view. Yet you have not pulled up the majority of posters in this thread for doing the exact same thing on a regular basis.

    That makes you a hypocrite.

    Try again. That makes me biased. I don't have to respond to every post in order to not be a hypocrite.

    If someone critiques Trumps health, they should also be ready to accept that others will critique Biden's health. I defend Biden's health but have never commented on Trumps. I'm not interested in it. That's bias, not hypocrisy.

    I'm biased in favour of Biden because I believe Trumps is a terrible human being and a worse POTUS. I like Biden, but i wouldn't be ideologically aligned with him. I would like to go for a few pints with him though.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #7350
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Overheal wrote: »
    SCOTUS just struck down Trump admins attempts to end DACA.

    Great news

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #7351
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,765 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


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