2020 US Presidential Election (aka: The Trump Coronation)

Brian?

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

I do agree and I was comparing Biden to Reagan who spend his last years sleeping on the job while the likes of the Iran contra affair and others swept around him. Biden is already damaged goods and he has not been elected president. Biden represents the Washington DC establishment status quo, this is a problem.

No response to the rest of my post?

ricero

Never once heard of the juneteeth celebrations or seen it promoted by any mainstream media before this year.

The way the media are trying to spin this as disrespect by Trump is blatantly bias and pure storm in a teacup. **** like this will grow Trumps base and further disinterest people in mainstream media coverage of his re-election campaign.

Wanderer78

Cody montana wrote: »

If Biden has dementia(he doesn’t), what the hell does Trump have?

thickness

Quin_Dub

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1274080589310824450


On a more serious point it looks like half of the chairs were not occupied. Note how Biden is alone, extremely far away from everyone and they all look bored to death.

Much like Reagan in his second term, Biden is a puppet. Everyone has latched onto him because he is "there". There were plenty better choices in the Democrat National Convention primaries and yet they are stuck with this old man who is out of touch and does not generate the same enthusiasm that Obama did, even among the various caucuses under the DNC umbrella.

I don't currently see a path to victory for Biden, I think they will position him as a return to an old status quo, however his handlers will do everything and he will merely sign the papers. This happened to Reagan when he was this old, too. I will wait until August to see if Biden has a viable chance.

Contrast Biden with a populist like President Trump, who can generate a large audience and uses his rallies for A/B testing to see what works and does not with the electorate.

This was NOT a rally or anything like it.

It was a small private session with a select group.

Everyone that was invited , attended and observed the correct procedures.

Speaking of bored - How about the pictures of Trump sitting in a meeting with small business owners who were telling their story of hardship and he was scrolling through his phone rage tweeting about random crap instead of listening or showing a shred of empathy to the people he's supposed to represent?

Pa ElGrande

Deleted User wrote: »

There's a higher risk with 20 thousand people packed inside and I would be apprehensive about the impact of the protests but so far the impact of them have been minimal. So basically you're complaining about Biden following the official guidance that is being followed globally? Yesterday the US had its highest number of cases since April. Over 120k people have died..

Both sides use fear for a political purpose. The daily case count is intended to make the news reader believe that mass death will follow however the percentage of cases who end up dead continues to decrease. Not just in numbers but also percentages which is a function of the number of cases.

The virus has reached saturation coverage in the media and there is enough information for people to weigh the risk of getting sick versus the risk of dying and weigh those things against the certainty of going broke or out of business and leading a neurotic life wearing a mask as the "new normal."

The virus won't go away it will eventually fade into the background like every other, in the meantime we can't continue to put our lives on hold, we have no option but to make trade-offs to ensure our future survival.

Which president said.

So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is...fear itself — nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance. In every dark hour of our national life a leadership of frankness and of vigor has met with that understanding and support of the people themselves which is essential to victory. And I am convinced that you will again give that support to leadership in these critical days.

Pa ElGrande

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

Both sides use fear for a political purpose. The daily case count is intended to make the news reader believe that mass death will follow however the percentage of cases who end up dead continues to decrease. Not just in numbers but also percentages which is a function of the number of cases.

The virus has reached saturation coverage in the media and there is enough information for people to weigh the risk of getting sick versus the risk of dying and weigh those things against the certainty of going broke or out of business and leading a neurotic life wearing a mask as the "new normal."

The virus won't go away it will eventually fade into the background like every other, in the meantime we can't continue to put our lives on hold, we have no option but to make trade-offs to ensure our future survival.

Which president said.

120 thousand people have died to date from it in the US. It'll hit 150k before August. The US do not have a handle on it. So putting a load of people in a confined space is irresponsible. There's a reason they have to sign a waiver to attend.

duploelabs

Wanderer78 wrote: »

thickness

Oh boy, does he ever

Brian?

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Biden has no problem endorsing huge crowds of non socially distanced protestors. At least those attending a Trump rally sign a document that they know the risks.

And that quote was written by a committee of interns. Biden twitter is dull and uninspiring.

Not endorsing Trump - but Biden is an awful candidate. Also he's 77 and has dementia.

What protesters did Biden endorse?

Sometimes it feels like Trump supporters live in a parallel universe

Brian?

Jesus, the optics of this are awful.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53117951

Pretending he's resigned to try to push him out. Fair play to him for standing up for himself.

extra gravy

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Also he's 77 and has dementia.

Are you his doctor?

Professor Moriarty

duploelabs wrote: »

Oh boy, does he ever

VPL. Euuw.

eagle eye

This suggestion that Trump is a fascist or Nazi is ludicrous.
I'm sure given the opportunity he might become one but he doesn't have the ability to do that in the USA.
Anybody spouting that rubbish will just be ignored by a rational person.

eagle eye

eagle eye wrote: »

This suggestion that Trump is a fascist or Nazi is ludicrous.
I'm sure given the opportunity he might become one but he doesn't have the ability to do that in the USA.
Anybody spouting that rubbish will just be ignored by a rational person.

He does pander to them. Eg in his latest campaign ads on Facebook.

duploelabs

eagle eye wrote: »

This suggestion that Trump is a fascist or Nazi is ludicrous.
I'm sure given the opportunity he might become one but he doesn't have the ability to do that in the USA.
Anybody spouting that rubbish will just be ignored by a rational person.

What defines fascism?

Billy Mays

eagle eye wrote: »

This suggestion that Trump is a fascist or Nazi is ludicrous.
I'm sure given the opportunity he might become one but he doesn't have the ability to do that in the USA.
Anybody spouting that rubbish will just be ignored by a rational person.

So it's not a ludicrous suggestion

Silentcorner

eagle eye wrote: »

This suggestion that Trump is a fascist or Nazi is ludicrous.
I'm sure given the opportunity he might become one but he doesn't have the ability to do that in the USA.
Anybody spouting that rubbish will just be ignored by a rational person.

I don't know how many times it has to be said, US Conservatives hate big government....the mirror opposite of a fascist or socialist for that matter.

Another deluded fantasy that parts of our current culture are drowned in...

extra gravy

eagle eye wrote: »

Anybody spouting that rubbish will just be ignored by a rational person.

If his supporters were rational they wouldn't be supporting him in the first place.

Carfacemandog

eagle eye wrote: »

This suggestion that Trump is a fascist or Nazi is ludicrous.
I'm sure given the opportunity he might become one but he doesn't have the ability to do that in the USA.
Anybody spouting that rubbish will just be ignored by a rational person.

Would you include General Jim Mattis, a man hired by Trump as his secretary of defense and held in huge regard by the US military , as a ludicrous, irrational person? Because he also has compared Trump to the nazis.

eagle eye

extra gravy wrote:

If his supporters were rational they wouldn't be supporting him in the first place.

Well you see there are people that think differently to you, almost everybody in fact, and there's people with the exact opposite views to you.
When you understand that then you'll understand why Trump and many other high profile horrible people have followers.

eagle eye

Carfacemandog wrote:

Would you include General Jim Mattis, a man hired by Trump as his secretary of defense and held in huge regard by the US military , as a ludicrous, irrational person? Because he also has compared Trump to the nazis.

Yes.

Carfacemandog

duploelabs wrote: »

What defines fascism?

Several of the core features are outlined here by experts I nthe field, and (surprise surprise) Trumpism ticks the boxes to a tee - https://www.gq.com/story/is-america-heading-towards-fascism

eagle eye

eagle eye wrote: »

Well you see there are people that think differently to you, almost everybody in fact, and there's people with the exact opposite views to you.
When you understand that then you'll understand why Trump and many other high profile horrible people have followers.

Why are you point blank ignoring why Facebook removed his campaign ads?

Carfacemandog

eagle eye wrote: »

Yes.

So why do you have that opinion? It seems highly disrespectful of the US military to simply consider a man they all look up to, and who led them for years, as both ludicrous and irrational without solid basis.

'Trump isn't a fascist' isn't a good reason in itself, you will need to outline how he isn't one and how he isn't using similar divisive tactics as Mattis pointed out, for any kind of a respectable, meaningful reasoning as to why. Simply stating "No because you're a ludicrous person!" is neither meaningful nor respecftul.

duploelabs

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Several of the core features are outlined here by experts I nthe field, and (surprise surprise) Trumpism ticks the boxes to a tee - https://www.gq.com/story/is-america-heading-towards-fascism

Oh i know, but I doubt the poster as to which I was replying to does

eagle eye

Deleted User wrote:

Why are you point blank ignoring why Facebook removed his campaign ads?

What has that got to do with him still having supporters?

eagle eye

Carfacemandog wrote:

So why do you have that opinion? It seems highly disrespectful of the US military to simply consider a man they all look up to, and who led them for years, as both ludicrous and irrational without solid basis.

You clearly didn't read my post. I said he doesn't get the opportunity to be one in his current position. I also said I'm sure it's likely he would be one given the opportunity.

Carfacemandog wrote:

'Trump isn't a fascist' isn't a good reason in itself, you will need to outline how he isn't one and how he isn't using similar divisive tactics as Mattis pointed out, for any kind of a respectable, meaningful reasoning as to why. Simply stating "No because you're a ludicrous person!" is neither meaningful nor respecftul.

Trump cannot be a fascist. In order to become one he'd have to take charge of Congress and the Senate or at least have them in a position of so much fear that they'd do everything he wants.

Brian?

Silentcorner wrote: »

I don't know how many times it has to be said, US Conservatives hate big government....the mirror opposite of a fascist or socialist for that matter.

Another deluded fantasy that parts of our current culture are drowned in...

Trump isn’t a conservative. So that argument fails instantly.

Silentcorner

If Trump and his supporters were dominating academia, churning out believers every year out of the education system.

If his Administration were demanding quotas in the workplace for people who subscribe to his ideology.

If they were rewriting the history books.

If they wanted to set up new police forces separate from the State.

If his supporters were tearing down statues of people they didn't feel represented their ideology.

If they were rioting in cities making new demands that couldn't be achieved by the ballot box.

If you felt threatened expressing an opinion in the workplace that was contrary to his ideology.

Then I'd be getting worried about him.

extra gravy

eagle eye wrote: »

Well you see there are people that think differently to you, almost everybody in fact, and there's people with the exact opposite views to you.
When you understand that then you'll understand why Trump and many other high profile horrible people have followers.

Don't need the patronising drivel thanks. Being rational is based on reason and logic not views and opinions.

eagle eye

eagle eye wrote: »

What has that got to do with him still having supporters?

It relates to you actively downplaying how the discussion related to how Trump actively plays to an audience of nazis and White supremacists.