2020 US Presidential Election (aka: The Trump Coronation)

duploelabs

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

What has he done to make you say that? Also I doubt he'd consider himself a journalist.

(paraphrasing)
Joe: oh I heard about something
Mic buddy: oh let me Google that, oh yes I found a title confirming that
Joe: oh well it's true then

Kermit.de.frog

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1275139153311735811

dark crystal

Jaysus, that collar will need a right good scrubbing. :pac:


https://twitter.com/CheriJacobus/status/1275171827833360396

Carfacemandog

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1275136946348703744

oooookkayyyyy

*move away slowly, don't make eye contact...*

I believe 'snowflake' is the word you're looking for. He's not as thick skinned or able to brush it off like the guy who came before him, that's for sure.

Arghus

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Surprised it took someone this long to come up with some tell all book to be honest. That was always going to be a serious moneyspinner.

I had to laugh at one part of the interview, when he was asked about why he made favourable remarks to the press about Trump's ability during the time of the North Korea summit. He says he didn't believe what he was saying at the time, but his role was to defend the administration. So, in other words according to John Bolton, lying purposely is a-okay in useful circumstances.

The man is a self-serving piece of crap. Couldn't even bring himself to admit that after all his laying into Trump that he'd vote for Biden, even if, for him, he represented the lesser of two evils.

Not that I don't believe him about Trump and his antics, of course. I'd say the stuff that couldn't be published is even worse!

cnocbui

A lot of people seem to be ok with Trump lying with practically every breath he exhales, so why get upset at Bolton, he's just abiding by the low standards set by his organisational superior.

American politics is beyond redemption. There are no morals, only objectives, for which the end justifies the means.

Carfacemandog

cnocbui wrote: »

A lot of people seem to be ok with Trump lying with practically every breath he exhales, so why get upset at Bolton, he's just abiding by the low standards set by his organisational superior.

American politics is beyond redemption. There are no morals, only objectives, for which the end justifies the means.

Trump is human garbage. But so is Bolton. Let's not pretend one is really much if any better than the other. Frankly now that it has been released, I would get great glee from seeing the judge rulings see Bolton get no money from his book and sued to pieces over it too. He's a filthy scumbag who played a huge role in the world going how it has the last 17 years, and who chose to profit off a book rather than trying to actually do anything go help his country or testify when it (supposedly) mattered. He could die in a ditch for all I care.

Cody montana

+31,496 Coronavirus cases in USA yesterday.

California seems to be getting hit pretty hard too at the moment, as well as loads of red states.

Deaths are falling though, which would suggest it is young people.

pjohnson

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

They're not cruel when you consider some of the stuff their target has come out with:

He appealed to his base that would enjoy that type of thing.

duploelabs

pjohnson wrote: »

He appealed to his base that would enjoy that type of thing.

Like the the racism, corruption, sexism etc etc, not all Trump supporters might not share the same traits, but they don't consider it a dealbreaker. Says it all about them

Pa ElGrande

https://twitter.com/tommyxtopher/status/1275243156594995200

Timberrrrrrrr

dark crystal wrote: »

Jaysus, that collar will need a right good scrubbing. :pac:


https://twitter.com/CheriJacobus/status/1275171827833360396

And yet people will still claim he doesn't use fake tan :pac:

CtevenSrowder

Foxtrol wrote: »

Have you listened to him? To start he consistently accepts conspiracy theories, including many peddled by Jones. Like Trump, he is a dumb person's idea of what an intelligent person is

What ones does he accept?

duploelabs wrote: »

(paraphrasing)
Joe: oh I heard about something
Mic buddy: oh let me Google that, oh yes I found a title confirming that
Joe: oh well it's true then

That's a totally disingenuous paraphrase. And anyway, as I said, he doesn't consider himself a journalist.

MeMen2_MoRi_

Trump has voted by mail, now it seems the VP and his wife have also voted by mail from an address they haven't lived at since 2016, remind me again what the problem is with vote by mail?

"Vice President Mike Pence and his wife, Karen Pence, reportedly voted by mail in Indiana’s June primary election using an address they have not lived at since 2016. Their April 13 ballots recorded the Indiana governor’s mansion as their residence for voting purposes, despite their having moved out of the house after Pence became the vice president elect. Though it is legal for the two to vote from a previous address so long as they do not register to vote in Washington, D.C., the move subverts President Donald Trump’s attacks on the vote-by-mail system."

https://www.thedailybeast.com/vice-president-mike-pence-and-wife-voted-by-mail-in-april-using-old-indiana-address?source=cheats&via=rss

duploelabs

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

What ones does he accept?



That's a totally disingenuous paraphrase. And anyway, as I said, he doesn't consider himself a journalist.

Well then if he doesn't adhere to any journalistic values, how can you tell that what he claims is verifiable and true?

CtevenSrowder

duploelabs wrote: »

Well then if he doesn't adhere to any journalistic values, how can you tell that what he claims is verifiable and true?

Did I say you could?

duploelabs

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

Did I say you could?

No, ergo he's a gay frog away from Infowars

CtevenSrowder

duploelabs wrote: »

No, ergo he's a gay frog away from Infowars

Haha no. That it some leap you are making. He has 2 to 3 hour long discussions with ppl about various topics, some political, some not at all. To suggest that is akin to info wars is, as I suggested earlier, incredibly disingenuous. Infowars styles itself as a news website and engages in journalism (albeit badly), JR hosts a podcast and would not consider himself a journalist. They are in no way similar and should not be held to the same standard.

It seems to me, that you don't really understand what journalism is, or at least, is supposed to be.

baaba maal

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

Haha no. That it some leap you are making. He has 2 to 3 hour long discussions with ppl about various topics, some political, some not at all. To suggest that is akin to info wars is, as I suggested earlier, incredibly disingenuous. Infowars styles itself as a news website and engages in journalism (albeit badly), JR hosts a podcast and would not consider himself a journalist. They are in no way similar and should not be held to the same standard.

It seems to me, that you don't really understand what journalism is, or at least, is supposed to be.

I think the concept of journalism is no longer as straightforward as you imply. Forget Rogan for a minute- Fox News famously is not a news channel (hence in the entertainment package with Sky), but they have "news" on the hour- they can put whatever they want as reported news headlines, but can then wriggle out of responsibility for the headline by claiming to be entertainment an/or opinion.
The public's opinions are partly formed by actors blurring the lines between news and opinion or more directly by questioning ordinary media.

CtevenSrowder

baaba maal wrote: »

I think the concept of journalism is no longer as straightforward as you imply. Forget Rogan for a minute- Fox News famously is not a news channel (hence in the entertainment package with Sky), but they have "news" on the hour- they can put whatever they want as reported news headlines, but can then wriggle out of responsibility for the headline by claiming to be entertainment an/or opinion.
The public's opinions are partly formed by actors blurring the lines between news and opinion or more directly by questioning ordinary media.

Are you sure that's the case re fox news? Although I don't necessarily disagree with you, and the distinction between journalism v opinion piece writer has become somewhat blurred (particular in America, I'm nearly certain rogan has explicitly stated he is not a journalist, mightve been the podcast he did with Michael Shermer.

Regardless, comparing him to Alex Jones is well wide of the mark.

Foxtrol

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

What ones does he accept?

Again, have you even listened to his shows, especially ones with conspiracy theorists? Just recently he has repeatedly pushed stuff related to COVID from anti-mask wearing to hydroxychloroquine.

Here's one with Alex Jones, where Rogan rarely pushes back on some of the craziest crap I've ever heard, from human animal hybrids to aliens, and repeatedly Rogan says he agrees with Jones or believes him.

Foxtrol

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

Are you sure that's the case re fox news? Although I don't necessarily disagree with you, and the distinction between journalism v opinion piece writer has become somewhat blurred (particular in America, I'm nearly certain rogan has explicitly stated he is not a journalist, mightve been the podcast he did with Michael Shermer.

Regardless, comparing him to Alex Jones is well wide of the mark.

Fox News has some 'news' shows but they are open that their entire prime time are 'opinion' shows. They don't flag which is which to regular viewers so masquerade opinion as news.

I'd argue Rogan does is similar and just as dangerous. He frames his show as a discussion but then provides view points on news that are regularly pretty vile with minimal to no pushback and this then becomes the only source that many listeners receive. He is on the level as Trump's 'many people are saying'.

ancapailldorcha

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

Haha no. That it some leap you are making. He has 2 to 3 hour long discussions with ppl about various topics, some political, some not at all. To suggest that is akin to info wars is, as I suggested earlier, incredibly disingenuous. Infowars styles itself as a news website and engages in journalism (albeit badly), JR hosts a podcast and would not consider himself a journalist. They are in no way similar and should not be held to the same standard.

It seems to me, that you don't really understand what journalism is, or at least, is supposed to be.

InfoWars does not engage in journalism, it engages in propaganda, misinformation and conspiracy theories. It exists to milk the gullible for cash and can have horrific consequences such as the parents of the murdered Sandy Hook children being stalked and attacked by Jones' deranged cultist followers.

GT89

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

InfoWars does not engage in journalism, it engages in propaganda, misinformation and conspiracy theories. It exists to milk the gullible for cash and can have horrific consequences such as the parents of the murdered Sandy Hook children being stalked and attacked by Jones' deranged cultist followers.

Sounds a bit like CNN so

duploelabs

GT89 wrote: »

Sounds a bit like CNN so

CNN claimed Sandy Hook was fabricated?

TheRepentent

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

And yet people will still claim he doesn't use fake tan :pac:

I always thought it was urine stains from the Russian hoores

CtevenSrowder

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

InfoWars does not engage in journalism, it engages in propaganda, misinformation and conspiracy theories. It exists to milk the gullible for cash and can have horrific consequences such as the parents of the murdered Sandy Hook children being stalked and attacked by Jones' deranged cultist followers.

Well maybe so but the point is comparing it to Joe Rogan's podcast is ridiculous.

ancapailldorcha

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

Well maybe so but the point is comparing it to Joe Rogan's podcast is ridiculous.

No idea but comparing it with CNN certainly is.

CtevenSrowder

Foxtrol wrote: »

Again, have you even listened to his shows, especially ones with conspiracy theorists? Just recently he has repeatedly pushed stuff related to COVID from anti-mask wearing to hydroxychloroquine.

What conspiracy has he peddled with regards to mask wearing? The info given about mask wearing (either to wear one or not) was never clear. And what did he push with regards to hydroxychloroquine? Can you give me a concrete example of something he actively pushed that was in the realm of conspiracy.

Foxtrol wrote: »

Here's one with Alex Jones, where Rogan rarely pushes back on some of the craziest crap I've ever heard, from human animal hybrids to aliens, and repeatedly Rogan says he agrees with Jones or believes him.

Brilliant a 5 hour video! Any clips in particular?

Foxtrol

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

Well maybe so but the point is comparing it to Joe Rogan's podcast is ridiculous.

Rogan has repeatedly had him and similar vile characters on his show and allowed them to spew the same things, regularly unchallenged, while also making money on merchandise.