2020 US Presidential Election (aka: The Trump Coronation)

CtevenSrowder

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

So is comparing it with CNN.

I never did. I wouldn't compare Joe Rogan with CNN as he isn't a News Channel or a journalist. He hosts a podcast. Some discussions are interesting some not so.

CtevenSrowder

Foxtrol wrote: »

Rogan has repeatedly had him and similar vile characters on his show and allowed them to spew the same things, regularly unchallenged, while also making money on merchandise.

Oh right, so you don't like him because he's had people you don't like on his podcast. Right-io.

ancapailldorcha

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

I never did. I wouldn't compare Joe Rogan with CNN as he isn't a News Channel or a journalist. He hosts a podcast. Some discussions are interesting some not so.

I don't listen to Joe Rogan. I was pointing out that the CNN comparison is absurd.

paw patrol

Foxtrol wrote: »

Again, have you even listened to his shows, especially ones with conspiracy theorists? Just recently he has repeatedly pushed stuff related to COVID from anti-mask wearing to hydroxychloroquine.

Here's one with Alex Jones, where Rogan rarely pushes back on some of the craziest crap I've ever heard, from human animal hybrids to aliens, and repeatedly Rogan says he agrees with Jones or believes him.

they're putting chemicals in the water that makes the frogs gay:pac:
oh wait....atrazine:eek:

CtevenSrowder

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I don't listen to Joe Rogan. I was pointing out that the CNN comparison is absurd.

I never made that comparison. I wouldn't compare InforWars to CNN either, CNN is far worse*:D Not that I particularly like either.



EDIT: Sorry I just re-read your post and I get what you meant now. I thought you were suggesting I made that comparison.




*I'm joking, obviously infowards is worse.

Foxtrol

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

What conspiracy has he peddled with regards to mask wearing? The info given about mask wearing (either to wear one or not) was never clear. And what did he push with regards to hydroxychloroquine?

I don't believe at any point medical advice included - 'Wearing masks are for b1tches'

Can you give me a concrete example of something he actively pushed that was in the realm of conspiracy.

Brilliant a 5 hour video! Any clips in particular?

Given your lack of interest in doing research on the guy you're defending, here is a shorter clip of just one piece of drivel that Rogan lets Jones talk about and in many places agrees with him. The episode is full of stuff like this.

Foxtrol

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

Oh right, so you don't like him because he's had people you don't like on his podcast. Right-io.

I've clearly listened to it a lot more than you have :rolleyes:

I actually put it on quite often, I'm a fan of his UFC commentary and been to several of his comedy shows. At times the show is informative when you have other news sources to weed out the nonsense, though like watching Fox News/Info Wars, it is completely poisonous to solely rely on.

CtevenSrowder

Foxtrol wrote: »

I don't believe at any point medical advice included - 'Wearing masks are for b1tches'

Ok and? How is that a conspiracy.

Foxtrol wrote: »

Given your lack of interest in doing research on the guy you're defending,

Oh forgive me for not listening to a near 5 hour podcast...:rolleyes:

Foxtrol wrote: »

here is a shorter clip of just one piece of drivel that Rogan lets Jones talk about and in many places agrees with him. The episode is full of stuff like this.

What Alex Jones is talking about (intially) is this https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/aug/11/the-five-chimeras-human-monkey-hybrid-genetic.

Obviously he goes of on his usually Alex Jones wild rants. Joe in the clip is clearly laughing at him at one stage, and trying to calm him down. The clip ends with him saying he's baffled. Also as far as Joe's Crispr comment:

The twins, called Lulu and Nana, reportedly had their genes modified before birth by a Chinese scientific team using the new editing tool CRISPR. The goal was to make the girls immune to infection by HIV, the virus that causes AIDS.

Now, new research shows that the same alteration introduced into the girls’ DNA, deletion of a gene called CCR5, not only makes mice smarter but also improves human brain recovery after stroke, and could be linked to greater success in school.

“The answer is likely yes, it did affect their brains,” says Alcino J. Silva, a neurobiologist at the University of California, Los Angeles

https://www.technologyreview.com/2019/02/21/137309/the-crispr-twins-had-their-brains-altered/

So I fail to see how this clip backs up your point.

CtevenSrowder

Foxtrol wrote: »

I've clearly listened to it a lot more than you have :rolleyes:

I actually put it on quite often, I'm a fan of his UFC commentary and been to several of his comedy shows. At times the show is informative when you have other news sources to weed out the nonsense, though like watching Fox News/Info Wars, it is completely poisonous to solely rely on.

It is not designed to be solely relied on. And it is not set up as a news channel, or as journalism. He doesn't consider himself a journalist. Nor would he suggest anyone to solely listen to his show for their news or to inform themselves. You seem to think he would or has.

Also, obviously I do listen to it, though not religiously. But I disagree with your claims about Joe and the show. So I wanted to see what your evidence was. It is lacking.

greenfield21

Reuters and ap are the only news sources out there now, everything else is just propaganda. Dont know where Joe Rogan ever came into this.

Foxtrol

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

It is not designed to be solely relied on. And it is not set up as a news channel, or as journalism. He doesn't consider himself a journalist. Nor would he suggest anyone to solely listen to his show for their news or to inform themselves. You seem to think he would or has.

When Alex Jones has gone in front of court he has claimed himself to be an entertainer rather than a journalist. Similarly, Fox News admit that their opinion shows should not be relied on as a sole source of news yet many do and it has been poisonous. It is the same with Rogan, as many people somehow believe him to be an intellectual and rely on his show as one of their key if not sole sources of information, hence his huge Spotify deal.

Also, obviously I do listen to it, though not religiously. But I disagree with your claims about Joe and the show. So I wanted to see what your evidence was. It is lacking.

Your original concern was Rogan being equated to Alex Jones and I linked you to a near 5 hour video where you admit Rogan allows Jones to go Info Wars type 'wild rant' with minimal push back and at times even agreeing with him. Similar happens throughout the other 5 hours of the video and time and again when Rogan has Alt-Right or conspiracy pushing guests. I don't see how you twist your logic that the same nonsense being pushed through info wars or alt right sites is better when it comes from Rogan's studio.

As we've gone OT and you're claiming my evidence is lacking while refusing to watch it then we might as well leave it there.

Also in its own right, giving five hours of air time to the likes of Alex Jones is pretty irresponsible. The same man who was responsible for families of massacred children being harassed.

CtevenSrowder

Foxtrol wrote: »

When Alex Jones has gone in front of court he has claimed himself to be an entertainer rather than a journalist. Similarly, Fox News admit that their opinion shows should not be relied on as a sole source of news yet many do and it has been poisonous. It is the same with Rogan, as many people somehow believe him to be an intellectual and rely on his show as one of their key if not sole sources of information, hence his huge Spotify deal.



Your original concern was Rogan being equated to Alex Jones and I linked you to a near 5 hour video where you admit Rogan allows Jones to go Info Wars type 'wild rant' with minimal push back and at times even agreeing with him. Similar happens throughout the other 5 hours of the video and time and again when Rogan has Alt-Right or conspiracy pushing guests. I don't see how you twist your logic that the same nonsense being pushed through info wars or alt right sites is better when it comes from Rogan's studio.

As we've gone OT and you're claiming my evidence is lacking while refusing to watch it then we might as well leave it there.

Putting up a 5 hour video and blaming the other poster for not watching it is ridiculous. There are plenty of shorter clips I'm sure. You have one and it did not back up anything you said, if anything it did the opposite.
Rogan has a wide variety guest's, some who are somewhat political, some whom are not at all. The show is not at all set up to give the impression of being a news site, or in anyway journalistic, like the others you have mentioned. He's had Alex Jones on twice out of around 1500 podcasts and you think that equates to being like Infowars. There is not much logic to that thinking I'm sorry.

cnocbui

super_furry wrote: »

It's mad. Sanders is right of Leo Varadkar and people act like he's the reincarnation of Trotsky.

When Irish people move to the US, the price of admission is having the left half of their brain sucked out via a straw poked up their left nostril.

Kermit.de.frog

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1274748265376907265

Biden's not "a whiny b*tch"

ancapailldorcha

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1274748265376907265

Biden's not "a whiny b*tch"

That's horrific. Never heard of the Lincoln project before. Looks like a group of anti-Trump Republicans.

Saw this on Reddit after his water drinking fiasco:

Foxtrol

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

That's horrific. Never heard of the Lincoln project before. Looks like a group of anti-Trump Republicans.

You should look at their videos, they've been living rent free in Trump's head for two months now.

For their initial ad they ran it during a single Fox News show and only in the DC area and Trump lost his mind tweeting about them.

They know which buttons of his to push and do it so well.

Kermit.de.frog

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Never heard of the Lincoln project before. Looks like a group of anti-Trump Republicans.

Yes, but they are hitting him where he can't stand it by calling him a loser, weak, a fool, incompetent...and targeting the ads at his base.

The Dems don't have the bottle to run these ads...let the republicans do it.

ohnonotgmail

Foxtrol wrote: »

You should look at their videos, they've been living rent free in Trump's head for two months now.

For their initial ad they ran it during a single Fox News show and only in the DC area and Trump lost his mind tweeting about them.

They know which buttons of his to push and do it so well.

they are getting great bang for their buck.

Igotadose

Foxtrol wrote: »

You should look at their videos, they've been living rent free in Trump's head for two months now.

For their initial ad they ran it during a single Fox News show and only in the DC area and Trump lost his mind tweeting about them.

They know which buttons of his to push and do it so well.

Wikipedia: The committee was announced on December 17, 2019, in a New York Times op-ed by George Conway, Steve Schmidt, John Weaver, and Rick Wilson.[3] Other co-founders include Jennifer Horn, Ron Steslow, Reed Galen, and Mike Madrid.[4]

Conway is an attorney and the husband of Kellyanne Conway, an advisor to Trump; Schmidt and Weaver are political strategists, and Wilson is a media consultant.
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Rick Wilson's on the air a lot. He wrote "Everything Trump touches, dies," which is an amusing read.

The thing about the Lincoln project, much as I enjoy their ads and videos, in the back of my mind the little aging voice says, "But...what do they want? They're not doing this for altruistic reasons no matter what they say." These types are still Corporate GOP with all the damage they've caused in the past.


Enemy of my enemy I suppose.

ohnonotgmail

Igotadose wrote: »

Wikipedia: The committee was announced on December 17, 2019, in a New York Times op-ed by George Conway, Steve Schmidt, John Weaver, and Rick Wilson.[3] Other co-founders include Jennifer Horn, Ron Steslow, Reed Galen, and Mike Madrid.[4]

Conway is an attorney and the husband of Kellyanne Conway, an advisor to Trump; Schmidt and Weaver are political strategists, and Wilson is a media consultant.
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Rick Wilson's on the air a lot. He wrote "Everything Trump touches, dies," which is an amusing read.

The thing about the Lincoln project, much as I enjoy their ads and videos, in the back of my mind the little aging voice says, "But...what do they want? They're not doing this for altruistic reasons no matter what they say." These types are still Corporate GOP with all the damage they've caused in the past.


Enemy of my enemy I suppose.

they know if trump gets in he will bring the country so far to ts knees that the GOP could be destroyed. If Biden gets in they have 4 years to go back to some sort of normal GOP.

Kermit.de.frog

Igotadose wrote: »

Wikipedia: The committee was announced on December 17, 2019, in a New York Times op-ed by George Conway, Steve Schmidt, John Weaver, and Rick Wilson.[3] Other co-founders include Jennifer Horn, Ron Steslow, Reed Galen, and Mike Madrid.[4]

Conway is an attorney and the husband of Kellyanne Conway, an advisor to Trump; Schmidt and Weaver are political strategists, and Wilson is a media consultant.
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Rick Wilson's on the air a lot. He wrote "Everything Trump touches, dies," which is an amusing read.

The thing about the Lincoln project, much as I enjoy their ads and videos, in the back of my mind the little aging voice says, "But...what do they want? They're not doing this for altruistic reasons no matter what they say." These types are still Corporate GOP with all the damage they've caused in the past.


Enemy of my enemy I suppose.

They just think he is a dangerous idiot and needs to go.

So much so they'll tolerate Biden.

ancapailldorcha

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

They just think he is a dangerous idiot and needs to go.

So much so they'll tolerate Biden.

Biden's an old school, aged white corporate Democrat. I can't imagine they're pinching their noses too hard.

Foxtrol

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Biden's an old school, aged white corporate Democrat. I can't imagine they're pinching their noses too hard.

Running on the most progressive platforms in US presidential history, likely to nominate progressives throughout his cabinet, and set up an opportunity to shift further left in 4 years.

The continued crapping on Biden from some for not being a card carrying socialist is so unnecessary at this point.

Kermit.de.frog

Igotadose wrote: »

Conway is an attorney and the husband of Kellyanne Conway, an advisor to Trump

Oh to be a fly on the wall in that household for just one evening :pac:

duploelabs

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Oh to be a fly on the wall in that household for just one evening :pac:

They're very shrewd operators, playing the political game, I'd say they're just fine

ancapailldorcha

Foxtrol wrote: »

Running on the most progressive platforms in US presidential history, likely to nominate progressives throughout his cabinet, and set up an opportunity to shift further left in 4 years.

The continued crapping on Biden from some for not being a card carrying socialist is so unnecessary at this point.

We don't know what a Biden presidency will look like until we get one.

I think it's important to remember that the Democrats are a pretty awful party themselves. Just because the GOP and Trump are so much worse is no reason to overlook that.

Professor Moriarty

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

We don't know what a Biden presidency will look like until we get one.

I think it's important to remember that the Democrats are a pretty awful party themselves. Just because the GOP and Trump are so much worse is no reason to overlook that.

I can't think of many parties in the US, Europe or Ireland that aren't pretty awful. If elected, Biden's presidency will be infinitely better than Trump's for two reasons. Trump is terrible and Biden is actually quite a decent politician as politicians go.

Foxtrol

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

We don't know what a Biden presidency will look like until we get one.

Which is an interesting statement from someone who posted this a few minutes ago:

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Biden's an old school, aged white corporate Democrat.

I agree we don't know what it will be like so maybe save the crapping on him until he gets into office and does something to earn it. It is those kind of unwarranted pot shots at Biden that give commentators the free rein to go negative and leads us to the ridiculously false equivalency we saw in 2016

ExMachina1000

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I can't think of many parties in the US, Europe or Ireland that aren't pretty awful. If elected, Biden's presidency will be infinitely better than Trump's for two reasons. Trump is terrible and Biden is actually quite a decent politician as politicians go.

Decent politician if you prescribe to the same politics.
It's all the same