2020 US Presidential Election (aka: The Trump Coronation)

notobtuse

notobtuse wrote: »

As you start to open things up of course there will be an increase in cases. All the business shutdowns, social distancing, and isolations were only meant to flatten the curve and reduce the spike (this coronavirus will be with us for a very long time and just about everyone will eventually get it). That flattening of the curve has been accomplished here. Thankfully we have an adult in the White House whose instincts on this matter have been right all along. He's the President and needs to consider all the implications of any decision, including social, economic, and the public health. He’s not a doctor who has the luxury to only concern himself with the medical aspects. Anyone with half a brain knows we need to reopen the country for business safely, and soon!

There are still plenty of states in the early stages of the outbreak, some are still experiencing their peaks. I suspect the Governors of the individual states are going to decide rather than Trump as he nobody's best interests in mind and frankly doesn't seem to understand what a virus is.

notobtuse

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

trump has no say in whether states reopen. That power lies with the governor of each state

Actually it’s a balance between the two. There is such a thing called “interstate commerce” that the Constitution grants power to the executive branch. I guess if a state can live with only things produced WITHIN the state then the governors can make the rules, but there is NOT ONE SINGLE state that can.

ohnonotgmail

notobtuse wrote: »

Actually it’s a balance between the two. There is such a thing called “interstate commerce” that the Constitution grants power to the executive branch. I guess if a state can live with only things produced WITHIN the state then the governors can make the rules, but there is NOT ONE SINGLE state that can.

what are you going on about?

notobtuse

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

what are you going on about?

Think food. If a governor says we won't get back to business for a year because I'm an idiot, but I still require all kinds of federal funding in order to feed us with produce coming in from other states, the president can say... NO, THE TRUCK STOPS HERE!

notobtuse

notobtuse wrote: »

Think food. If a governor says we won't get back to business for a year because I'm an idiot, but I still require all kinds of federal funding in order to feed us with produce coming in from other states, the president can say... NO, THE TRUCK STOPS HERE!

Nobody is proposing a year.... Granted some restrictions will likely be maintained globally for the next year. Anyway, basic conclusion, individual states will decide.

ohnonotgmail

notobtuse wrote: »

Think food. If a governor says we won't get back to business for a year because I'm an idiot, but I still require all kinds of federal funding in order to feed us with produce coming in from other states, the president can say... NO, THE TRUCK STOPS HERE!

well that is one way to guarantee that trump loses that state in november.

notobtuse

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

well that is one way to guarantee that trump loses that state in november.

Not necessarily. Look at what is going on in the state of Wisconsin. That is one of the three blue states credited with giving Trump the win in 2016. The DNC has committed to turning them back to deep blue again in time for the 2020 election. But therir first-term governor has put into place rules that are described as idiocy over the coronavirus. There is already a petition with over 150,000 signers and growing calling for her recall. She's a terrible governor and hypocrite but is a very vocal hater of Trump so of course she is being touted as a top tier VP pick of Biden because of it.

Cody montana

notobtuse wrote: »

Not necessarily. Look at what is going on in the state of Wisconsin. That is one of the three blue states credited with giving Trump the win in 2016. The DNC has committed to turning them back to deep blue again in time for the 2020 election. But therir first-term governor has put into place rules that are described as idiocy over the coronavirus. There is already a petition with over 150,000 signers and growing calling for her recall. She's a terrible governor and hypocrite but is a very vocal hater of Trump so of course she is being touted as a top tier VP pick of Biden because of it.

I think the governor of Wisconsin is a man?

notobtuse

Cody montana wrote: »

I think the governor of Wisconsin is a man?

Thanks for catching that. I think you're correct. It's Michigan. Don't know why I had Wisconsin in my head.

kilns

notobtuse wrote: »

Not necessarily. Look at what is going on in the state of Wisconsin. That is one of the three blue states credited with giving Trump the win in 2016. The DNC has committed to turning them back to deep blue again in time for the 2020 election. But therir first-term governor has put into place rules that are described as idiocy over the coronavirus. There is already a petition with over 150,000 signers and growing calling for her recall. She's a terrible governor and hypocrite but is a very vocal hater of Trump so of course she is being touted as a top tier VP pick of Biden because of it.

Shocker a woman governor from a Michigan whom Trump doesn’t like has a petition with 150,000 signatures on it to make her look bad. I wonder how many Trump supporters have signed it vs normal people. She is a bad governor because the lemmings hear Trump say she is bad yet Trump is the greatest president since Lincoln we hear. Pathetic stuff.

notobtuse

notobtuse wrote: »

Thanks for catching that. I think you're correct. It's Michigan. Don't know why I had Wisconsin in my head.

Just checked the michigan measures, they're pretty much in line with European measures. Not seeing anything remotely silly about them.

Carfacemandog

Deleted User wrote: »

Just checked the michigan measures, they're pretty much in line with European measures. Not seeing anything remotely silly about them.

Also her approval rating has gone up 24 points over the crisis, as has the Wisconsin governors. Only Cuomo in NY, Newsome (D, California) and DeWine (R, Ohio) have had higher approvals of how they have handled this.

The reason notobtuse was yammering on about it was because Ted Cruz was spreading fake news about this yesterday, claiming she signed social distancing measures while standing next to 11 people, but it turned out the photo he used was from a year ago. Story here - https://www.dailydot.com/debug/ted-cruz-gretchen-whitmer-twitter/

The reason notobtuse confused this with wisconsin is because Wisconsin decided to extend their elections from last week (democrat primary, and a bunch of local elections including the WI supreme Court) by 6 days when it came to mail in voting, to allow people to cast their ballots remotely during the coronavirus.

Conservative Supreme Court judge Brett Kavanaugh voted to overrule this, and lied in his reasoning about the preexisting laws in wisconsin elections. At the same time as doing this, they also had almost every voting station closed. Milwaukee, the same Dublin in terms of population, had FIVE voting stations in total. In places like Green Bay which is about the size of (edit) all of county Galway people found themselves still with lots of people ahead of them in the voting queue as late as 11.30pm having been there for over 3 hours in freezing cold weather (Wisconsin st this time of year is colder than Ireland in winter). Another city with 72,000 people had a grand total of one single voting station fore veryoen to converge on.

Imagine all of Dublin voting in just 5 stations, especially during this spread. Basically, in order to be allowed to vote, most in Wisconsin were deliberately forced to congregate in huge numbers, close together, and risk getting covid or lose their right to vote. That is what was decided, but people like notobtuse - who will otherwise transparently feign concern over states rights and democracy - had nothing to say on it.

This was brought to notobtuses attention already, but they refused to address it and decided to pretend they care about democracy. Here is a post outlining other instances of the Republicans trying to curtail and undermine democracy that was put to notobtuse in response. To absolutely no surprise, they refused to respond. This is worth keeping in mind when reading posts by notobtuse. https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113124184&postcount=769

Also, the supreme Court came to this decision remotely, as they are practicing social distancing because they understand the coronavirus is extremely easy to spread and can very easily kill anyone who gets it.

The decision was so unpopular that across wisconsin there were heavy swings towards the democrats, which means we will see further efforts to disenfranchise voters in that state in the next six months, and people like notobtuse are only delighted about this if they feel democracy won't work in their favour.

When you are talking with the poster notobtuse, you are talking with someone who despises the very concept of democracy or the will of the people to elect officials that they feel will represent them best. This is just one of many examples of Americans who have become deeply, deeply radicalised over the course of the last 10-15 years.

Quin_Dub

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Also her approval rating has gone up 24 points over the crisis, as has the Wisconsin governors. Only Cuomo in NY, Newsome (D, California) and DeWine (R, Ohio) have had higher approvals of how they have handled this.

The reason notobtuse was yammering on about it was because Ted Cruz was spreading fake news about this yesterday, claiming she signed social distancing measures while standing next to 11 people, but it turned out the photo he used was from a year ago. Story here - https://www.dailydot.com/debug/ted-cruz-gretchen-whitmer-twitter/

The reason notobtuse confused this with wisconsin is because Wisconsin decided to extend their elections from last week (democrat primary, and a bunch of local elections including the WI supreme Court) by 6 days when it came to mail in voting, to allow people to cast their ballots remotely during the coronavirus.

Conservative Supreme Court judge Brett Kavanaugh voted to overrule this, and lied in his reasoning about the preexisting laws in wisconsin elections. At the same time as doing this, they also had almost every voting station closed. Milwaukee, the same Dublin in terms of population, had FIVE voting stations in total. In places like Green Bay which is about the size of (edit) all of county Galway people found themselves still with lots of people ahead of them in the voting queue as late as 11.30pm having been there for over 3 hours in freezing cold weather (Wisconsin st this time of year is colder than Ireland in winter). Another city with 72,000 people had a grand total of one single voting station fore veryoen to converge on.

Imagine all of Dublin voting in just 5 stations, especially during this spread. Basically, in order to be allowed to vote, most in Wisconsin were deliberately forced to congregate in huge numbers, close together, and risk getting covid or lose their right to vote. That is what was decided, but people like notobtuse - who will otherwise transparently feign concern over states rights and democracy - had nothing to say on it.

This was brought to notobtuses attention already, but they refused to address it and decided to pretend they care about democracy. Here is a post outlining other instances of the Republicans trying to curtail and undermine democracy that was put to notobtuse in response. To absolutely no surprise, they refused to respond. This is worth keeping in mind when reading posts by notobtuse. https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113124184&postcount=769

Also, the supreme Court came to this decision remotely, as they are practicing social distancing because they understand the coronavirus is extremely easy to spread and can very easily kill anyone who gets it.

The decision was so unpopular that across wisconsin there were heavy swings towards the democrats, which means we will see further efforts to disenfranchise voters in that state in the next six months, and people like notobtuse are only delighted about this if they feel democracy won't work in their favour.

When you are talking with the poster notobtuse, you are talking with someone who despises the very concept of democracy or the will of the people to elect officials that they feel will represent them best. This is just one of many examples of Americans who have become deeply, deeply radicalised over the course of the last 10-15 years.

Despite all of the ridiculous and frankly criminally dangerous Gerrymandering by the GOP , the Democrat candidate won the State Supreme court seat by 55% to 45% a fairly substantial swing away from the GOP. That shifts the GOP majority from 5-2 to 4-3 with another GOP Judge up for re-election next year.

Outlaw Pete

Well, the liberal media are doing their damndest to keep a lid on the Biden sexual assault allegations anyway.

Good discussion on it here pointing out the usual examples of double standards whenever it's a democrat in the dock compared with a conservative.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63yeQ1GCzIY

Amazing how many liberals suddenly have great belief in due process but yet didn't remotely when it was Kavanaugh and the MSM were covering the story on a loop.

Outlaw Pete

I forgot how full of it Obama is.


https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/1250088269502709762

They are known to be good friends Pete... So why is he full of it?

Boggles

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Well, the liberal media are doing their damndest to keep a lid on the Biden sexual assault allegations anyway.

Good discussion on it here pointing out the usual examples of double standards whenever it's a democrat in the dock compared with a conservative.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63yeQ1GCzIY

Amazing how many liberals suddenly have great belief in due process but yet didn't remotely when it was Kavanaugh and the MSM were covering the story on a loop.

He should come out and say he grabbed them by the pussy or pay off some porn stars.

He'll get elected just like Rapey Donald.

The allegations against him are so fast it has quite the large wiki page.

Donald Trump sexual misconduct allegations

MadYaker

Time to put this guy in ignore I think. Don't even know where to start anymore. No idea what hypocrisy is clearly.

James Brown

The question more and more is why let this moron with possible mental health issues run your country?
I suspect the answer would be along the lines of how evangelicals describe it, "He's the commander in chief not the pastor in chief" as long as he makes the right policy moves for his backers they'll keep him regardless of anything else. That's self interest. So much for looking after the country.

BabysCoffee

Anyone see the stuff this guy tweets about Donald Trump?
https://twitter.com/CaslerNoel

Is any of it true? How does he get away with saying this stuff?

Timberrrrrrrr

Trump.pulls funding for W.H.O!

2u2me

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Trump.pulls funding for W.H.O!

I'm not sure we'll see many tears. They've made a balls of their announcements and advice. I'm sure there's plenty of fine scientists working there, its just unfortunate they don't get listened to.

Timberrrrrrrr

2u2me wrote: »

I'm not sure we'll see many tears. They've made a balls of their announcements and advice. I'm sure there's plenty of fine scientists working there, its just unfortunate they don't get listened to.

This is Trump yet again passing the buck for his own failings.

2u2me

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

This is Trump yet again passing the buck for his own failings.

Could well be true, you seem to know him better than me!

What also is true is that the WHO announced on 20th January

The WHO said that the outbreak did not yet constitute a public emergency of international concern and there was "no evidence" of the virus spreading between humans outside of China.

That was the same day the Chinese released to the world that the virus was H2H transmissable.

notobtuse

Biden is the only Democrat still running, right? So Obama finally gave his endorsement to Biden, or would that be his surrender? Leading from behind... as always. Backing a guy when there are no alternatives, how brave of him.

notobtuse

2u2me wrote: »

I'm not sure we'll see many tears. They've made a balls of their announcements and advice. I'm sure there's plenty of fine scientists working there, its just unfortunate they don't get listened to.

There are plenty of fine scientists working there, but apparently none are running WHO. WHO helped China to suppress information about the outbreak in the early stages which undoubtedly causes thousands of unnecessary deaths. Perhaps Trump’s mandate will cause a much needed shakeup at the top levels of WHO.

MadYaker

notobtuse wrote: »

There are plenty of fine scientists working there, but apparently none are running WHO. WHO helped China to suppress information about the outbreak in the early stages which undoubtedly causes thousands of unnecessary deaths. Perhaps Trump’s mandate will cause a much needed shakeup at the top levels of WHO.

How is trump cutting funding right now going to help the situation in any way? There’s no doubt the WHO have questions to answer but ol donny trying to use them as a fall guy isn’t going to wash. If he issued an apology and said mistakes were made it would give him way more political credit with voters than his usual infantile toys out of the pram everyone’s fault but mine nonsense.

MeMen2_MoRi_

Would that be the same China that Trump was praising up till mid February as fighting the good fight, being transparent regards the virus? Now it's all the fault of WHO and China for not being transparent lol..

Quin_Dub

notobtuse wrote: »

Biden is the only Democrat still running, right? So Obama finally gave his endorsement to Biden, or would that be his surrender? Leading from behind... as always. Backing a guy when there are no alternatives, how brave of him.

And if he'd announced his support for Biden (or anyone else for that matter) before now he'd have been accused of trying to rig the Primary.

Of course he didn't officially say anything until now, just basic politics.

When was it again during the Primary season or campaign that any former GOP Presidents endorsed Trump ???

Aidric

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

This is Trump yet again passing the buck for his own failings.

It's all about deflection with Trump. His trump card since coming to office has been economic performance even though he inherited a strong economy.

This has also been guiding his reaction to the current crisis. He delayed implementing the correct measures knowing the economic impact and associated damage to his standing.

This is a public health crisis being led by a sociopath whose only concern is his own popularity. If American's don't see through this thin skinned charlatan at the next election then they never will.