2020 US Presidential Election (aka: The Trump Coronation)

Overheal

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Well now, this is just head in the sand territory here. Trump is the first president to set foot in North Korea whom have really quietened down since 2016 whereas all throughout Obama's administration Kim was flexing his muscles big time

?!?

February 11, 2017 North Korea test-fired a Pukkuksong-2 missile over the Sea of Japan. This was the first launch of the new medium-range ballistic missile .[20][21][9]
March 6, 2017 North Korea launches four ballistic missiles from the Tongchang-ri launch site in the northwest.[22] Some flew 620 mi (1,000 km) before falling into the east sea.[23][9]
April 4, 2017 North Korea test-fired a medium-range ballistic missile from its eastern port of Sinpo into the Sea of Japan[24][25][9]
April 15, 2017 North Korea test-fired an unidentified land-based missile from the naval base in Sinpo but it exploded almost immediately after the takeoff .[26][27][28][29]
April 28, 2017 North Korea test-fired an unidentified missile from Pukchang airfield.[30][31] The missile, believed to be a medium-range[32] KN-17 ballistic missile,[30] faltered and broke apart minutes after liftoff.[32][33][34]
May 13, 2017 North Korea test-fired a Hwasong-12[35] missile from a test site in the area of Kusong.[36] The missile, later revealed to be an intermediate range ballistic missile,[37] traveled 30 minutes,[38] reached an altitude of more than 2,111.5 km, and flew a horizontal distance of 789 km (489 miles), before falling into the Sea of Japan.[37] Such a missile would have a range of at least 4,000, reaching Guam, to 6,000 km.[36][35]
May 21, 2017 North Korea test-fired another Pukkuksong-2 medium-range ballistic missile from Pukchang airfield,[39][40] which traveled approximately 500 km (300 miles) before falling into the Sea of Japan.[41] The missile landed about 350 km (217 miles) from North Korea's east coast.[41]
May 29, 2017 North Korea fired a Short Range Ballistic Missile into the Sea of Japan. It traveled 450 km.[42]
June 8, 2017 North Korea fired several missiles into the Sea of Japan. They are believed to be anti-ship missiles.[43] The South Korean military said the launches show the reclusive regime's "precise targeting capability."
June 23, 2017 North Korea tested a new rocket engine that could possibly be fitted to an intercontinental ballistic missile.[44]
July 4, 2017 North Korea tested its first intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) named Hwasong-14 on July 4.[45][46] It launched from the Panghyon Aircraft Factory 8 km southeast of Panghyon Airport.[47] It was aimed straight up at a lofted trajectory and reached more than 2,500 km into space.[48] It landed 37 minutes later,[49] more than 930 km from its launch site,[50] into Japan's exclusive economic zone.[51] Aiming long, the missile would have traveled 7,000–8,000 km or more, reaching Alaska, Hawaii, and possibly Seattle.[49][52][53][54][55] Its operational range would be farther, bringing a 500 kg payload to targets in most of the contiguous United States 9,700 km away.[56][57][58]
July 28, 2017 The 14th missile test carried out by North Korea in 2017 was another ICBM launched at 23:41 North Korea time (15:41 GMT) from Chagang Province in the north of the country on July 28, 2017. Los Angeles, Denver, Chicago, Boston, and New York City appear to be within range.[59] The missile's reentry vehicle (RV) was seen by people in Japan as it entered the atmosphere and landed near the northernmost Japanese island, Hokkaido.[60][61] Analysis later revealed that the RV broke up on re-entry; further testing would be required.[62] The CIA made an assessment expecting adequate performance of the RV under the different stresses of a shallower trajectory towards the continental US.[63]
August 26, 2017 North Korea test-fired three short-range ballistic missiles from the Kangwon Province on August 26. Two travel approximately 250 kilometers in a northeastern direction and one explodes immediately after launch.[64]
August 29, 2017 On August 29, 2017, at 6 AM local time, North Korea launched a ballistic missile over Northern Japan.[65] The missile's short and low trajectory and its breakup into three pieces is consistent with the failure of a heavy post-boost vehicle.[66]
September 15, 2017 North Korea launched a ballistic missile on September 15 from Sunan airfield. It reached a height of 770 km and flew a distance of 3,700 km for 17 minutes over Hokkaido before landing in the Pacific.[67]
November 28, 2017 North Korea launched an ICBM from the vicinity of Pyongsong at 1:30pm EST/3:00am Pyongyang time. The rocket traveled for 50 minutes and reached 2800 miles (4,500 km) in height, both of which were new milestones. The missile flew 600 miles (1,000 km) east into the Sea of Japan; unlike summer launches, the Japanese government did not issue cellphone alerts to warn its citizens. North Korea called it a Hwasong-15 missile. Its potential range appears to be more than 8,000 miles (13,000 km), able to reach Washington and the rest of the continental United States.[68][69] Much about the missile is unknown. The missile might have been fitted with a mock warhead to increase its range, in which case the maximum missile range while carrying a heavy warhead might be shorter than 13,000 km. Based on satellite imagery, some experts believe that North Korea may now be able to fuel missiles horizontally, shortening the delay between when a missile becomes visible to when it can be launched.[68] The rocket is believed to have broken up on re-entry into the atmosphere.[70]
May 4, 2019 North Korea launched several short-range projectiles from the vicinity of Wonsan on the country's east coast,[71] one possibly a Russian Iskander missile which can make course corrections during its flight.[72]
May 9, 2019 North Korea launched two short-range ballistic missiles[72] from the vicinity of Sinori in North Pyongan Province (launch area also, in another source, identified as Kusong[72]) at 4:29 p.m. and 4:49 p.m. local time.[73]
July 25, 2019 North Korea launched two short-range ballistic missiles, believed to be of a new design.[74]
July 31, 2019 North Korea launched "several" short-range ballistic missiles.[75]
August 2, 2019 North Korea launched two short-range ballistic missiles at 2:59 a.m. and 3:23 a.m. local time.[76]
August 24, 2019 North Korea launched two short-range ballistic missiles from Sondok in South Hamgyong Province. Both fell in the Sea of Japan.[77]
September 10, 2019 North Korea launched two short-range projectiles from Kaechon shortly after proposing to resume denuclearization negotiations with the US. Both the projectiles fell into the sea off the North's east coast.[78]
October 2, 2019 North Korea test-fired a new-type submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM) in the waters off Wonsan. The Republic of Korea Armed Forces said the missile, which was dubbed Pukguksong-3, flew about 450 kilometers and reached a maximum altitude of 910 kilometers, making it an intermediate-range ballistic missile. It fell into the exclusive economic zone of Japan off Shimane Prefecture. North Korea said the launch was successful.[79][80]
October 31, 2019 North Korea test-fired two short-range projectiles from Sunchon at 4:35 p.m. and 4:38 p.m. Both flew around 370 km and reached a maximum altitude of 90 km before falling in the Sea of Japan.[81]
November 28, 2019 North Korea test-launched two "short-range projectiles".[82] Rocket exhaust was visible from Russia [83]
March 2, 2020 North Korea carried out test-launch of two unidentified projectiles from eastwards over the sea from the Wonsan area on the east coast. Projectiles are equipped with an operational range of 240 kilometres, and capable to flew a height of 35 kilometres.[84]

Kidchameleon

Overheal wrote: »

?!?.....

Whats your source for all that information? Was it copied from Wikipedia? Not a great source :rolleyes: I'm sure some of it is true but I doubt all of it is... Anyway, it is nothing that is not par for the course for any large nation. Get a list of weapon tests carried out by the US in the same period & I predict it would dwarf it. The main thing is the threats and rhetoric from Kim ended under Trump. I would think the democrats policies would have continued under Hillary and war would possibly have broken out at this stage.

Professor Moriarty

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Well now, this is just head in the sand territory here. Trump is the first president to set foot in North Korea whom have really quietened down since 2016 whereas all throughout Obama's administration Kim was flexing his muscles big time

You haven't a clue.

June 12th 2020:
The North Korean Foreign Minister stated that they were withdrawing from their relationship with the US "Never again will we provide the U.S. chief executive with another package to be used for achievements without receiving any returns. Nothing is more hypocritical than an empty promise."

June 16th 2020:
North Korea blows up joint liaison office on border with South Korea.

Kidchameleon

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

You haven't a clue.

June 12th 2020:
The North Korean Foreign Minister stated that they were withdrawing from their relationship with the US "Never again will we provide the U.S. chief executive with another package to be used for achievements without receiving any returns. Nothing is more hypocritical than an empty promise."

Could be worse. Under Obama it was looking like war.

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

June 16th 2020:
North Korea blows up joint liaison office on border with South Korea.

Whats that got to do with the US/North Korea relations?

*Also* Could you provide sources instead of just copying and pasting text so we can verify your claims.

Overheal

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Whats your source for all that information? Was it copied from Wikipedia? Not a great source :rolleyes: I'm sure some of it is true but I doubt all of it is... Anyway, it is nothing that is not par for the course for any large nation. Get a list of weapon tests carried out by the US in the same period & I predict it would dwarf it. The main thing is the threats and rhetoric from Kim ended under Trump. I would think the democrats policies would have continued under Hillary and war would possibly have broken out at this stage.

No big shock that you're engaging in ad hominem because your argument fell flat on its face. All of it is cited appropriately, and you're free to try and disprove any of the listed tests if that is truly a hill you want to die on.

You said DPRK was quiet relative to the Obama Administration.

Under Obama, DPRK carried out 13 missile tests. Under Trump, in just a 3rd the span of time, they have carried out 27.

Wanderer78

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Could be worse. Under Obama it was looking like war.

...and america is currently stabilizing?

hotmail.com

What a load of tosh the North Korea thing is. US presidents using this as a nice distraction from internal failings and grosteque poverty.

PropJoe10

Kidchameleon wrote: »

He was also well able to risk nuclear war with North Korea. How has president Trump done with North Korea?

Very poorly. He legitimised Kim as a "world leader" by meeting with him with pretty much zero conditions, and since then, absolutely nothing positive has happened regarding de-nuclearisation on the Korean peninsula. The only thing Trump did there was make it even more obvious than it was before that he admires and wants to emulate despots and dictators. The only one to benefit from that meeting was Kim.

Professor Moriarty

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Could be worse. Under Obama it was looking like war.



Whats that got to do with the US/North Korea relations?

*Also* Could you provide sources instead of just copying and pasting text so we can verify your claims.

Source 1
Source 2

"Whats that got to do with the US/North Korea relations?"

You haven't a clue.

Kidchameleon

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

You haven't a clue.

That's the second time you said that. Its kind of disrespectful posting style. I like president Trump, you do not. Its not really a big deal. Its not something you should disrespect someone over. Millions upon millions of Americans will vote for him in a few months. Should they be disrespected?

Wanderer78

Kidchameleon wrote: »

That's the second time you said that. Its kind of disrespectful posting style. I like president Trump, you do not. Its not really a big deal. Its not something you should disrespect someone over. Millions upon millions of Americans will vote for him in a few months. Should they be disrespected?

theres a good chance he ll walk away before the elections, a narcissist has a fragile ego, to protect that ego, he may walk away if indications are looking like a defeat

Kidchameleon

Overheal wrote: »

All of it is cited appropriately,

No its not. We still have no idea where you got the information from. I looks like it was taken from Wikipedia, could you confirm this? Could you link to the article itself?

Wanderer78

Wanderer78 wrote: »

theres a good chance he ll walk away before the elections, a narcissist has a fragile ego, to protect that ego, he may walk away if indications are looking like a defeat

Can't see it, similar assumptions were made in 2016,say he's still hoping he'll win.

Overheal

Kidchameleon wrote: »

No its not. We still have no idea where you got the information from. I looks like it was taken from Wikipedia, could you confirm this? Could you link to the article itself?

Here you go

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_Korean_missile_tests

"Fake news" in 3...2...1...

Kidchameleon

Wanderer78 wrote: »

theres a good chance he ll walk away before the elections, a narcissist has a fragile ego, to protect that ego, he may walk away if indications are looking like a defeat

There's more chance of me becoming US president that the above scenario coming to pass

Overheal

Kidchameleon wrote: »

There's more chance of me becoming US president that the above scenario coming to pass

You do love hasty conclusions don't you

Wanderer78

Deleted User wrote: »

Can't see it, similar assumptions were made in 2016,say he's still hoping he'll win.

his popularity is tanking, we re in a dramatically different election environment now compared to 2016, some commentators are agreeing with this, he may quit, and behave like a typically npd, i.e. blame it on everybody else

Wanderer78

Kidchameleon wrote: »

There's more chance of me becoming US president that the above scenario coming to pass

that you joe? whats the craic?

Kidchameleon

Overheal wrote: »

Here you go

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_Korean_missile_tests

"Fake news" in 3...2...1...

Thanks, in future you should always share your sources instead of having to be repeatedly asked. I also recommend avoiding Wikipedia - for obvious reasons it always needs to be double checked which is a pain in the a55 in a debate.

Overheal

Wanderer78 wrote: »

his popularity is tanking, we re in a dramatically different election environment now compared to 2016, some commentators are agreeing with this, he may quit, and behave like a typically npd, i.e. blame it on everybody else

The Republican Nation Convention is 6 weeks away, that's a lot of time on the Trumpian scale. Anything goes still.

Overheal

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Thanks, in future you should always share your sources instead of having to be repeatedly asked. I also recommend avoiding Wikipedia - for obvious reasons it always needs to be double checked which is a pain in the a55 in a debate.

Oh, like how you always claim things and always bring the receipts? :pac::pac::pac:

'Korea has been really quiet you guyz!'

to be perfectly clear: you have several dozen posts ITT and only 2 of them have any sort of source material: one is a link to a Hydroxychloroquine study and the other is a youtube video. In other posts you fail to substantiate you say easily disprovable things like "Obama ALWAYS used a teleprompter"

Timberrrrrrrr

Overheal wrote: »

Oh, like how you always claim things and always bring the receipts? :pac::pac::pac:

'Korea has been really quiet you guyz!'

to be perfectly clear: you have several dozen posts ITT and only 2 of them have any sort of source material: one is a link to a Hydroxychloroquine study and the other is a youtube video. In other posts you fail to substantiate you say easily disprovable things like "Obama ALWAYS used a teleprompter"

Typical "Do as I say not what I do" attitude.

PropJoe10

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Thanks, in future you should always share your sources instead of having to be repeatedly asked. I also recommend avoiding Wikipedia - for obvious reasons it always needs to be double checked which is a pain in the a55 in a debate.

You're entertaining if nothing else

ohnonotgmail

hotmail.com wrote: »

So he's not going to end the practice I take it?

Ending the practice would prevent future presidents doing this sort of stuff.

I presume not a peep out of the opposition in America about the principle of the practice. Joke as always for Americans.

why would he? there are occasions when it is appropriate. pardoning someone who can testify against you is not one of those occasions.

hotmail.com

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

why would he? there are occasions when it is appropriate. pardoning someone who can testify against you is not one of those occasions.

Because it will lead to abuses like this. The practice should end if the Democrats are angry about it.

The courts decide on sentences, not the executive.

As usual, America is met by the two parties with the same policy. Pathetic.

ohnonotgmail

hotmail.com wrote: »

Because it will lead to abuses like this. The practice should end if the Democrats are angry about it.

The courts decide on sentences, not the executive.

As usual, America is met by the two parties with the same policy. Pathetic.

and if the president does abuse it, like he has done here, it is up to congress to impeach him. unfortunately the GOP have no spine apart from Mitt Romney.

Kidchameleon

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

and if the president does abuse it, like he has done here, it is up to congress to impeach him. unfortunately the GOP have no spine apart from Mitt Romney.

Did you complain when Obama commuted Chelsea Manning?

hotmail.com

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

and if the president does abuse it, like he has done here, it is up to congress to impeach him. unfortunately the GOP have no spine apart from Mitt Romney.

All the anger should be pointed at the opposition here to demand that they change the practice or end it altogether.

Overheal

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Did you complain when Obama commuted Chelsea Manning?

Her sentence was commuted because she was a high suicide risk, among other things. She also served 6 years in incarceration, whereas Stone served none.

Any more flaccid deflections?

ohnonotgmail

hotmail.com wrote: »

All the anger should be pointed at the opposition here to demand that they change the practice or end it altogether.

no, the anger should directed at the person abusing the process.