2020 US Presidential Election (aka: The Trump Coronation)

Carfacemandog

ELM327 wrote: »

You haven't posted a link to A PROMINENT DEM that has stated not to defund.

Is Democrat nominee for president Joe Biden prominent enough?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/06/10/joe-biden-declares-definitively-i-do-not-support-defunding-police/
While I do not believe federal dollars should go to police departments violating people’s rights or turning to violence as the first resort, I do not support defunding police. The better answer is to give police departments the resources they need to implement meaningful reforms, and to condition other federal dollars on completing those reforms.

I’ve long been a firm believer in the power of community policing — getting cops out of their cruisers and building relationships with the people and the communities they are there to serve and protect. That’s why I’m proposing an additional $300 million to reinvigorate community policing in our country. Every single police department should have the money it needs to institute real reforms like adopting a national use of force standard, buying body cameras and recruiting more diverse police officers.

doggerland

Whilst it's good to hear/read Joe said that, I've been told that that doesn't necessarily reflect on what a party believes in or will do.

As said, still think Trump will do it and have effectively put my money where my mouth is.

One complete outlier that I'm wondering about, is a freak storm ala Hurricane Sandy in 2012. Imagine something like that or bigger arriving around polling time.

ohnonotgmail

doggerland wrote: »

Whilst it's good to hear/read Joe said that, I've been told that that doesn't necessarily reflect on what a party believes in or will do.

As said, still think Trump will do it and have effectively put my money where my mouth is.

One complete outlier that I'm wondering about, is a freak storm ala Hurricane Sandy in 2012. Imagine something like that or bigger arriving around polling time.

Joe is the one standing for election. his is the only opinion that matters.

doggerland

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Joe is the one standing for election. his is the only opinion that matters.

Not really imo. He'll be President but power will come from VP and the party. Like Bush with Cheney.

ELM327

weisses wrote: »

You should have taken the same stance 4 years ago at the current white house occupant ....

That's hilarious. Could you imagine Hillary in the white house? :D:D

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Why? What sort of damage do you think she'd do? It's not as if Trump supporters care about dignity, compassion, the Amercian public, national debt or even the democratic process.

She's a shrill socialist feminazi. Think a 21st century version of Gloria Allred (as described in the simpsons).


She's worse than Bernie Sanders, who espouses the same nonsense about socialism, because Bernie is old but AOC is gathering numbers of young followers. Followers who should know better.

ELM327

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Joe is the one standing for election. his is the only opinion that matters.

Creepy Joe will be as much a front for the democrat background leaders as Bush was for the GOP at the time

Podge_irl

doggerland wrote: »

I was asked where Dems have endorsed defunding the police, I post a quote from a leading star of the party (probably one of the most famous among the newly political) but nah, that's not good enough. You must argue with your teeth.

Do you think the police in the US should be defunded? I think that's a pretty stupid stance anywhere tbh. If I transplanted my life (married, home owner) to a country with ongoing riots and violence, and senior politicans said we should defund the police, I'd think they'd have lost their minds and would seriously question anybody who was associated with them.

To a smaller extent, it's why I couldn't give any preference to SF here on them wanting to get rid of the SCC.

I think their funding should be seriously cut yes.

AOC may well be the most famous of the new members of the democratic party (helped in no small part by the Republican's obsession with her) but she is not a senior member or remotely representative of them as a whole. She is no fan of Pelosi for example, who nonetheless cantered to the nomination for Speaker.

Carfacemandog

doggerland wrote: »

Whilst it's good to hear/read Joe said that, I've been told that that doesn't necessarily reflect on what a party believes in or will do.

As said, still think Trump will do it and have effectively put my money where my mouth is.

One complete outlier that I'm wondering about, is a freak storm ala Hurricane Sandy in 2012. Imagine something like that or bigger arriving around polling time.

So a first term house representative has more clout than the person they have running for president who has been in national politics for about 50 years?

ELM327

Carfacemandog wrote: »

So a first term house representative has more clout than the person they have running for president who has been in national politics for about 50 years?

Yes.
Sleepy joe won't be around much longer - let's be honest, mentally he's already checked out - but AOC will be around for years and (pukes) will probably be president in our lifetimes.

doggerland

ELM327 wrote: »

That's hilarious. Could you imagine Hillary in the white house? :D:D

Well she was in it for a few years!

doggerland

Carfacemandog wrote: »

So a first term house representative has more clout than the person they have running for president who has been in national politics for about 50 years?

She's more representative of the party and its new followers, than the man up til a few months they despised. Yes.

Carfacemandog

ELM327 wrote: »

Creepy Joe will be as much a front for the democrat background leaders as Bush was for the GOP at the time

Which background leaders? First term house representatives?

Igotadose

doggerland wrote: »

I vow in the future, I will not use what politicians say, or do, or propose, as a reflection on them or what their party represents

Does this apply to Reps too btw?

Lies are lies. Applies to us all. You agree then that
1) Minneapolis PD haven't been defunded
2) Minneapolis City Council is non-partisan

Carfacemandog

doggerland wrote: »

She's more representative of the party and its new followers, than the man up til a few months they despised. Yes.

Oh, in that case Bernie Sanders won the primaries.

Bernie sanders did win the primaries, right?

Doctor Jimbob

ELM327 wrote: »

AOC is another reason to vote for Trump. Keep her and her ilk as far away from any sort of responsibility/power until she grows up

I'm not convinced someone else's alleged inability to grow up is a compelling reason to vote for a 74 year old who doesn't seem to have developed past the toddler stage.

Timberrrrrrrr

ELM327 wrote: »

Yes.
Sleepy joe won't be around much longer - let's be honest, mentally he's already checked out - but AOC will be around for years and (pukes) will probably be president in our lifetimes.

And with that one idiotic sentence your weak argument collapses.

doggerland

Igotadose wrote: »

Lies are lies. Applies to us all. You agree then that
1) Minneapolis PD haven't been defunded
2) Minneapolis City Council is non-partisan

1) A vote has been proposed to remove funding... of the police. Yep.
2) All but one of the council are Democracts.

Cool.

doggerland

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Oh, in that case Bernie Sanders won the primaries.

Bernie sanders did win the primaries, right?

They wish. The odds on the guy they called racist then were sweet before the final few primaries. Mad that a few states control the outcomes of these things.

ohnonotgmail

ELM327 wrote: »

Creepy Joe will be as much a front for the democrat background leaders as Bush was for the GOP at the time

so you repeat ad nauseum.

Leroy42

Sp its perfectly fine for Trump to say that he will withhold funding from sanctuary cities, which of course means lack of funds for police but for people to call for police reform through withholding funds until improvements are made is wrong?

Trup said he would withhold PPE and ventalators from Governors unless they were nice to him, is that any different?

Trump said he was going to defund Obamacare, thus depreiving millions of healthcare, unless he got what he wanted on healthcare.

Trump has talked about defunding schools that don't reopen when he wants. So perfectly fine to force schools to open, or reduce educational opportunities for children, but talk of defunding police is a step too far?

perfetly fine to have a view that the whole defunding the police idea is wrong, but Biden is not a supporter, he is not planning on it, he doesn't agree with it. AOC has nothing to do with the POTUS. She can say what she likes, but she needs to get a majority in the House and the Senate and get POTUS sign off. So it has a long way to go and plenty of people would need to get on board.

timsey tiger

doggerland wrote: »

I don't live in the US, don't care much outside of it being an interesting ongoing story.

I remain confident that he'll win. To put it mildly, I think that the inability to holiday in France this Summer, isn't going to be decisive factor you reckon it will be.

I hope you are not spouting this in real life, you would have no credibility. Even if you think all the polls are wrong or that somehow he'll pull it out of the fire. Being "confident", is a bit deranged given the current situation.

Carfacemandog

doggerland wrote: »

They wish. The odds on the guy they called racist then were sweet before the final few primaries. Mad that a few states control the outcomes of these things.

So Joe Biden won the primaries voted on by democrats - by a distance - yet the Bernie Sanders liberal contingent are more popular among Democrats than the Joe Biden centrist contingent?

Biden took the lead after the 4th primary, at which point 101 of the 3,979 total delegates had been pledged (2.54%) Your 'last few primaries' comment is giving me the impression might be making this you as you go as Sanders suspended his campaign with 23 states still to go (26 if you include Puerto Rico, us virgin islands and Guam) due to Biden having an insurmountable lead at what was about the half way point.

And I n terms of 'a few states controlling things', Sanders won California which has by far the most delegates. At the time sanders suspended his campaign, Biden had won 21 of 31 contests.

doggerland

Leroy42 wrote: »

... but talk of defunding police is a step too far?

That's the key part, and for the US public I believe yes it is. And it sounds just dreadful. They really couldn't have come up with a worse slogan to alienate non-activists.

timsey tiger wrote: »

I hope you are not spouting this in real life, you would have no credibility. Even if you think all the polls are wrong or that somehow he'll pull it out of the fire. Being "confident", is a bit deranged given the current situation.

Why would I think polls are wrong? They're reflective on when they were taken. But yes, "deranged" is exactly why I wouldn't say any of this in the office over coffee. People seem to think you're endorsing him or something and lose their minds.

I've put my money were my mouth is.

Come November, it's gonna be one of two outcomes. You're calling me deranged for having a gut feeling about one of them coming to frutition. Honestly, look at yourself in the mirror!

duploelabs

ELM327 wrote: »

You haven't posted a link to A PROMINENT DEM that has stated not to defund.

You're asked for proof that someone, particularly on Biden's manefesto, where its stated. Its not up to us to disprove your statement, it's up to you to qualify it

doggerland

Carfacemandog wrote: »

So Joe Biden won the primaries voted on by democrats - by a distance - yet the Bernie Sanders liberal contingent are more popular among Democrats than the Joe Biden centrist contingent?

I think you'd have a point, were the primaries all done on the same day. Staggering them out, political movements, tactical stuff as top dogs emerge sour any notion of what you're syaing to me.

ohnonotgmail

doggerland wrote: »

That's the key part, and for the US public I believe yes it is. And it sounds just dreadful. They really couldn't have come up with a worse slogan to alienate non-activists.



Why would I think polls are wrong? They're reflective on when they were taken. But yes, "deranged" is exactly why I wouldn't say any of this in the office over coffee. People seem to think you're endorsing him or something and lose their minds.

I've put my money were my mouth is.

so trump talking about defunding schools is wrong then?

doggerland wrote: »

Come November, it's gonna be one of two outcomes. You're calling me deranged for having a gut feeling about one of them coming to frutition. Honestly, look at yourself in the mirror!

one of two outcomes? Wow, you are really informed on how elections for US president work. i bow to your superior knowledge.

Carfacemandog

duploelabs wrote: »

You're asked for proof that someone, particularly on Biden's manefesto, where its stated. Its not up to us to disprove your statement, it's up to you to qualify it

I gave them the most prominent person in the entire party (presidential nominee Joe Biden), but apparently he doesn't count because less prominent democrats may disagree, and they're apparently the ones who really run the party. Make of that what you will.

doggerland

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

so trump talking about defunding schools is wrong then?

Yeah. Don't believe I said otherwise.

one of two outcomes? Wow, you are really informed on how elections for US president work. i bow to your superior knowledge.

Barring death or something serious, next Feb you'll either have Biden or Trump sitting in the Oval Office. Two outcomes. Of course an alien could land and take over, but I thought adults were talking here

ohnonotgmail

doggerland wrote: »

Yeah. Don't believe I said otherwise.



Barring death or something serious, next Feb you'll either have Biden or Trump sitting in the Oval Office. Two outcomes. Of course an alien could land and take over, but I thought adults were talking here

the sarcasm clearly went over your head

Carfacemandog

doggerland wrote: »

I think you'd have a point, were the primaries all done on the same day. Staggering them out, political movements, tactical stuff as top dogs emerge sour any notion of what you're syaing to me.

What happened to "Bernie was winning until the last few"?

I preferred Bernie, but the Democrats preferred Biden. No two ways about it.