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2020 US Presidential Election (aka: The Trump Coronation)
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I heard about the 5 years in jail from the radio. I got the list of names from here...You heard on the radio or you copied it from below?
http://nsjonline.com/article/2020/05/obama-admin-officials-asked-intelligence-sources-to-unmask-flynn/
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/05/13/breaking-list-of-obama-officials-who-sought-to-unmask-flynn-released-n390520
It's a very good read.You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!
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I heard about the 5 years in jail from the radio. I got the list of names from here...
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/05/13/breaking-list-of-obama-officials-who-sought-to-unmask-flynn-released-n390520
It's a very good read.
Why did you steal the work of a writer from The Federalist and pass it off as your own?0 -
I heard on the radio yesterday government officials who ‘unmask’ US citizens for political purposes face 5 years in jail. The unmasking of Flynn was an obvious political tactic on the part of democrats who then illegally leaked the manipulated intel to the media. So who made the unmasking requests of Flynn on the legitimate Flynn/ Kislyak transition conversation, you might ask? Well, let’s see, US Ambassador to the United Nations - Samantha Power, Director of National Intelligence - James Clapper, Treasury Secretary - Jacob Lew, CIA Director - John Brennan, Vice President - Joe Biden, FBI Director - James Comey, Obama Chief of Staff - Denis McDonough and a number of other lessor Obama cronies. My, that’s a whole lot of jail time when combined.
Look, Ive just copied and pasted the below from The Guardian...
Unmasking is a routine practice used to identify a person anonymously referred to in an intelligence document. It takes place hundreds of times a year, without controversy.
The fact that the Republicans are falling over themselves to build a narrative around Obamagate is embarrassing. Even more so when the very thing you mentioned above in your attempt at a gotcha happens every day, its almost as common as Trumps affairs...almost!0 -
Look, Ive just copied and pasted the below from The Guardian...
Unmasking is a routine practice used to identify a person anonymously referred to in an intelligence document. It takes place hundreds of times a year, without controversy.
The fact that the Republicans are falling over themselves to build a narrative around Obamagate is embarrassing. Even more so when the very thing you mentioned above in your attempt at a gotcha happens every day, its almost as common as Trumps affairs...almost!
not only that but it has been used more under trump than it was under obama but because this one instance involved a friend of trump notobtuse thinks this is a big issue.0 -
LOL. And now wee all see what happens when someone on the right request that the left uphold (in this case utilizing insulting names, of which those on the left have been most guilty of) what they expect from right... All hell breaks loose on the left! Typical.So firstly, these are my thoughts and words only, I'm not copying and pasting here
You had to turn it around all "poor Trump" didn't you? You couldn't just concede that no one should be using those silly insulting names.
For once, is there any chance you'll just leave your manual at home/stop following your playbook of how to debate and manipulate online. Ever? Just once?
Ps. Watch this space in November. Trump is going down. Jan 2025 is not looking good for him imoYou can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!
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Huh... It's been used more under Trump? Did you read that in the funny papers?ohnonotgmail wrote: »not only that but it has been used more under trump than it was under obama but because this one instance involved a friend of trump notobtuse thinks this is a big issue.You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!
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People on this thread routinely say that this is the worst president in history. The purpose of that paragraph is to demonstrate how ridiculous that statement is. If people want to play the “who’s the worst president” game, that’s fine but it’ll be a stiffer competition than people think.
You may think he isn't the worst they've had and thats fine, maybe GWB was actually worse but Trump is second for sure. Comparisons to presidents during war time 70 years ago is utter nonsense.I think he did respond to the question. Responding to the question doesn’t mean giving the kind of answer the reporter wants to hear. (Although I’d say the reporter was quite satisfied with Trump’s response. I mean how did she think Trump would respond to that question when she wrote it? Those gotcha questions are clearly designed to elicit a Trump “meltdown”)
It shouldn't be possible to illicit a trump meltdown. My four year old nephew has meltdowns. Unfortunately Trump has neither the composure or intellegence to take the heat of a press conference so he walks out. You can defend it all you like and blame the big bad reporters bullying poor ickle trumpy. But its absolutely pathetic behaviour. Once again, its time for higher standards.I’ve never looked to politicians for examples of how good people should act. Policy is the important thing. They’re there to do a job. If a plumber is a good enough plumber, you don’t refuse to hire him on the grounds he uses salty language while he works. You’re standard doesn’t exist. Occasionally we get a “great politician”. By occasionally, I mean once every fifty years. The vast majority will disappoint you.
The claim that the US Presidency only became degraded as a result of Trump is devoid of any context of the past 30 years. The last “presidential” president we’ve ever seen was HW Bush. Starting with Clinton, the archetypal character associated with the US President has been on a downward slope. The first celebrity president wasn’t Trump, it was Obama. He treated the Presidency like a late night show hobnobbing with celebrities and the like. Like Trump he had hardly any political qualifications. He’d been a senator for about five minutes and before that he was a glorified community organiser.
Policy is the important thing? Theyre there to do a job???? Trump has spent more time playing golf than any other president. He still hasn't filled positions in his administration that were supposed to be filled when he took over. What policies exactly has he enacted bar massive tax cuts for corporations? No wall, no repeal of obamacare. Totally fcuked the coronavirus response. You know they had their first comfirmed case on the same day as South Korea? No achievements of merit at all really unless you count giving gov jobs to his family and friends. Plenty of failures though
Every president is a celebrity so I've no idea what this is about. Nobody knew who Obama was until his speech at the dem convention in 2004. No idea what you mean by presidential? Is there any metric by which Trump is not significantly worse at the job than Obama was? I don't think there is.deprived of one. Andrew Cuomo has admitted this. They had much more ventilators than were needed. The hospital ship Trump sent was never even needed. In terms of beds required, makeshift facilities had to be set up in places like Central Park but that’s not a system overload. That’s successfully increasing capacity to the level required. Doctors were never in the position of deciding who lived and who died as people feared they might be. There was also a major gap between NYC and pretty much anywhere else in the US. Nowhere else in the US came close to New York. There was never a danger of other states being overloaded. New York is a unique case in terms of population and population density. The state alone had more cases than any other COUNTRY.
The ship was needed as were many other makeshift hospitals so I guess this is pretty much true. There is absolutely a danger of similar scenes playing out in other states. Fauci said as much himself. It probably woudn't be as bad as they might lockdown quicker but who knows. The administration watched what was happening in Europe and did almost nothing.0 -
It's GOP math and calendar watching, a 4 year Senator versus a multiple-times failed businessman of dubious net worth who had a mediocre TV show and paid porn stars for sex.
Every president is a celebrity so I've no idea what this is about. Nobody knew who Obama was until his speech at the dem convention in 2004. No idea what you mean by presidential? Is there any metric by which Trump is not significantly worse at the job than Obama was? I don't think there is.
As for 'hobnobbing with celebrities,' that's just Fox news glurge regurgitation. The Presidency was degraded by Clinton and his sex scandals and the salacious behaviors of the GOP, like, Newt Gingrich has moral authority over anyone. GWB at least was a boy-scout when it came to person behavior, but was a fully corporate owned President, presiding over the crash, failing at Intel for 9/11, and allowing corporate hegemony to reign supreme by his SCOTUS appointments that led to Citizens United. Obama brought the economy back from the bring of freezing up in 2008, restored economic growth and didn't gin up phony wars to pump the military industrial complex. He tried to do something about health care, in my view, too little and too late, but he did get more people on health insurance.
Trump in his first 4 years of being President will have presided over the greatest economic collapse in US history (and consider the economy and stock market were on an upswing for about 4 years prior to him taking office). Huge loss of credibility overseas. Stoking the fires of violence in Israel with blind support of Netanyahu's policies. And enabling the increased influence of China and Russia worldwide through aimless acts of hostility.
Calvin "The business of America is Business" Coolidge, who preceded Hoover, and his enabling the robber barons might've precipitated the Great Depression, but there had been a war 10 years before *and* a pandemic that helped. Trump hasn't had to face economic headwinds *at all* until the Pandemic and didn't have any war problems, he needed to manage growth, but like everything he does, he failed at it. But, hey, he presses the tGOP buttons, keep women in their place and keep fingers on the triggers of guns, and with help from Russia he got elected (cheated his way in.)0 -
Cody montana wrote: »And I STILL don't know what Obamagate is.
Obamagate is the term often used to refer to how multiple officials in the Obama administration (in coordination with certain DNC operatives) used knowingly false intelligence and very very suspect occurrences to launch investigations into individuals connected with the Trump campaign. Their objective was to do whatever they could (1,2 etc) to smear candidate Trump to such a degree that the electorate would naturally begin to see Hillary Clinton as the preferential candidate. Initially they were successful in their dirt digging endeavours but ultimately they failed to achieve their goal given candidate Trump went on to be elected.
They of course should have stopped there but the truth is that they really didn't expect HRC to lose and so had been quite sloppy with regards to covering their tracks and so their only option was to keep going (one example). From that point on they did whatever they could to derail the administration from within (of course) and hope they could oust Trump that way instead, before that is, his administration inevitably uncovered what Obama officials had done in the lead up to, and just after, the 2016 election.
That's just a conspiracy theory! has been the cry from the left about what Obama officials did in 2016 in conjunction with the DNC smear firm Fusion GPS, Christopher Steele and Bruce Ohr. The investigation was a legitimate one! they also maintain. Well, it had better be as we know from the mouths of FBI lawyers that Obama wanted to know everything that was going on with regards to it. Did he know the FISA court was kept in the dark about who paid for the misinformation that was used to obtain warrants to spy on US citizens? Did he know they kept exculpatory evidence from the court? Did he know the FBI setting perjury traps for Flynn?
We don't know, but what we do know is that there are going to be some indictments for those who either abused the FISA court, leaked Flynn's call, lied to congress (take your bloody pick of those) and a whole host of other crimes I'm sure Durham will be able to pick from given the disgusting actions of these people who felt they were above the law and could do as they liked just because they either didn't like Trump and his politics or were gutted that Hillary lost and therefore was a gut punch for their career prospects.
After three years of Russia-Russia collusion bullshit, and impeachment nonsense, we are slowly but surely seeing the beginnings of actual justice being done and as ever with the democrats, seeing that they are guilty of the very thing they accused others of: investigating their political opponents with an eye on winning an election. The chickens (fat ones) are coming home to roost.0 -
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Outlaw Pete wrote: »Obamagate is the term often used to refer to how multiple officials in the Obama administration (in coordination with certain DNC operatives) used knowingly false intelligence and very very suspect occurrences to launch investigations into individuals connected with the Trump campaign. Their objective was to do whatever they could (1,2 etc) to smear candidate Trump to such a degree that the electorate would naturally begin to see Hillary Clinton as the preferential candidate. Initially they were successful in their dirt digging endeavours but ultimately they failed to achieve their goal given candidate Trump went on to be elected.
They of course should have stopped there but the truth is that they really didn't expect HRC to lose and so had been quite sloppy with regards to covering their tracks and so their only option was to keep going (one example). From that point on they did whatever they could to derail the administration from within (of course) and hope they could oust Trump that way instead, before that is, his administration inevitably uncovered what Obama officials had done in the lead up to, and just after, the 2016 election.
That's just a conspiracy theory! has been the cry from the left about what Obama officials did in 2016 in conjunction with the DNC smear firm Fusion GPS, Christopher Steele and Bruce Ohr. The investigation was a legitimate one! they also maintain. Well, it had better be as we know from the mouths of FBI lawyers that Obama wanted to know everything that was going on with regards to it. Did he know the FISA court was kept in the dark about who paid for the misinformation that was used to obtain warrants to spy on US citizens? Did he know they kept exculpatory evidence from the court? Did he know the FBI setting perjury traps for Flynn?
We don't know, but what we do know is that there are going to be some indictments for those who either abused the FISA court, leaked Flynn's call, lied to congress (take your bloody pick of those) and a whole host of other crimes I'm sure Durham will be able to pick from given the disgusting actions of these people who felt they were above the law and could do as they liked just because they either didn't like Trump and his politics or were gutted that Hillary lost and therefore was a gut punch for their career prospects.
After three years of Russia-Russia collusion bullshit, and impeachment nonsense, we are slowly but surely seeing the beginnings of actual justice being done and as ever with the democrats, seeing that they are guilty of the very thing they accused others of: investigating their political opponents with an eye on winning an election. The chickens (fat ones) are coming home to roost.
So did they also get the FBI to invest Hilary's emails just before the election which was extremely damaging.
Flynn admitted lying to the FBI, the Mueller report did not explicitly exonerate Trump.
This Obamacare nonsense is purely a deflection tactic for Trump to distract from his terrible handling of the coronavirus crisis.0 -
ohnonotgmail wrote: »you can hardy complain about namecalling.
I can. I've never called anybody any names.
The people using childish names in a derogatory manner were and are Trump's haters.Do you think we can stop with the "sleepy Joe" sh1te?
For the most part I call Trump, Trump.
No seriously, all of us, I wonder can we stop with the nicknames?
Trump is Trump
Biden is BidenI agree.
He moved on from the reporter straight after the "CHY-NA" comment.
Like a big baby!
Ps. Why does he say "Chy-Na" in such a weird manner???0 -
What point are you trying to make
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What point are you trying to make
The rules have changed, it seems it's all free reign now to insult whoever you like.
E.g. Look at the Gemma thread; Gemmaroid etc...
Trump started it and his haters happily played along in the dirt. I think it's a bit late to change the rules now; the damage is done.0 -
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odd that you never complained about the namecalling when it was trump supporters doing it hereThe rules have changed, it seems it's all free reign now to insult whoever you like.
E.g. Look at the Gemma thread; Gemmaroid etc...
Trump started it and his haters happily played along in the dirt. I think it's a bit late to change the rules now; the damage is done.0 -
Outlaw Pete wrote: »Obamagate is the term often used to refer to how multiple officials in the Obama administration (in coordination with certain DNC operatives) used knowingly false intelligence and very very suspect occurrences to launch investigations into individuals connected with the Trump campaign. Their objective was to do whatever they could (1,2 etc) to smear candidate Trump to such a degree that the electorate would naturally begin to see Hillary Clinton as the preferential candidate. Initially they were successful in their dirt digging endeavours but ultimately they failed to achieve their goal given candidate Trump went on to be elected.
They of course should have stopped there but the truth is that they really didn't expect HRC to lose and so had been quite sloppy with regards to covering their tracks and so their only option was to keep going (one example). From that point on they did whatever they could to derail the administration from within (of course) and hope they could oust Trump that way instead, before that is, his administration inevitably uncovered what Obama officials had done in the lead up to, and just after, the 2016 election.
That's just a conspiracy theory! has been the cry from the left about what Obama officials did in 2016 in conjunction with the DNC smear firm Fusion GPS, Christopher Steele and Bruce Ohr. The investigation was a legitimate one! they also maintain. Well, it had better be as we know from the mouths of FBI lawyers that Obama wanted to know everything that was going on with regards to it. Did he know the FISA court was kept in the dark about who paid for the misinformation that was used to obtain warrants to spy on US citizens? Did he know they kept exculpatory evidence from the court? Did he know the FBI setting perjury traps for Flynn?
We don't know, but what we do know is that there are going to be some indictments for those who either abused the FISA court, leaked Flynn's call, lied to congress (take your bloody pick of those) and a whole host of other crimes I'm sure Durham will be able to pick from given the disgusting actions of these people who felt they were above the law and could do as they liked just because they either didn't like Trump and his politics or were gutted that Hillary lost and therefore was a gut punch for their career prospects.
After three years of Russia-Russia collusion bullshit, and impeachment nonsense, we are slowly but surely seeing the beginnings of actual justice being done and as ever with the democrats, seeing that they are guilty of the very thing they accused others of: investigating their political opponents with an eye on winning an election. The chickens (fat ones) are coming home to roost.
Horowitz already found that there was no political motivation behind the FBI's actions. His findings were that the FBI's investigations into the trump campaign and russia were justified. Despite the fact that there were some 17 ommisions and inaccuracies in various warrants.0 -
Outlaw Pete wrote: »Obamagate is the term often used to refer to how multiple officials in the Obama administration (in coordination with certain DNC operatives) used knowingly false intelligence and very very suspect occurrences to launch investigations into individuals connected with the Trump campaign. Their objective was to do whatever they could (1,2 etc) to smear candidate Trump to such a degree that the electorate would naturally begin to see Hillary Clinton as the preferential candidate. Initially they were successful in their dirt digging endeavours but ultimately they failed to achieve their goal given candidate Trump went on to be elected.
They of course should have stopped there but the truth is that they really didn't expect HRC to lose and so had been quite sloppy with regards to covering their tracks and so their only option was to keep going (one example). From that point on they did whatever they could to derail the administration from within (of course) and hope they could oust Trump that way instead, before that is, his administration inevitably uncovered what Obama officials had done in the lead up to, and just after, the 2016 election.
That's just a conspiracy theory! has been the cry from the left about what Obama officials did in 2016 in conjunction with the DNC smear firm Fusion GPS, Christopher Steele and Bruce Ohr. The investigation was a legitimate one! they also maintain. Well, it had better be as we know from the mouths of FBI lawyers that Obama wanted to know everything that was going on with regards to it. Did he know the FISA court was kept in the dark about who paid for the misinformation that was used to obtain warrants to spy on US citizens? Did he know they kept exculpatory evidence from the court? Did he know the FBI setting perjury traps for Flynn?
We don't know, but what we do know is that there are going to be some indictments for those who either abused the FISA court, leaked Flynn's call, lied to congress (take your bloody pick of those) and a whole host of other crimes I'm sure Durham will be able to pick from given the disgusting actions of these people who felt they were above the law and could do as they liked just because they either didn't like Trump and his politics or were gutted that Hillary lost and therefore was a gut punch for their career prospects.
After three years of Russia-Russia collusion bullshit, and impeachment nonsense, we are slowly but surely seeing the beginnings of actual justice being done and as ever with the democrats, seeing that they are guilty of the very thing they accused others of: investigating their political opponents with an eye on winning an election. The chickens (fat ones) are coming home to roost.
It sounds to me like Obamagate is whatever you want it to be. It's as if you can cobble together your favourite Trump lies and distractions and package them into some kind of over-arching conspiracy theory worthy of OANN. I'm honestly surprised that you couldn't make room for wind turbines causing cancer or Obama's birth cert.0 -
'Obamagate' is the new birther conspiracy, prove me wrong0
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duploelabs wrote: »'Obamagate' is the new birther conspiracy, prove me wrong
It could be. It can be whatever you want it to be. That's the beauty of it. All he has to do is say it without explaining what it is and all of the "What Trump meant was" crowd will make something up themselves.
One poster is still working on his thesis in relation to this and is still being coy about it. Another is taking the opposite approach and covering all bases by throwing everything into it. I know that there are a few others out there working the "unmasking" angle but they can't come up with anything that doesn't sound retarded when they read it back to themselves.
It will be interesting to see what they come up with. Hopefully we'll see the fruits of their labour before Trump comes out and says that he was just joking or something.0 -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIaqV0CtOBY
Caught in a lie and pulled up on it during a soft interview, Biden is toast, i really want him to stay in the race, the debates with Trump will be must see TV0 -
Oh bother, Horowitz didn’t have investigative powers and therefore could only summarize the load of crap that the shady cast of Obama supporting and Trump hating characters claimed in the interviews. Barr and Durham, who DID and DO have investigative authority and were actively looking into what probably amounts to the biggest political crime in US history, disagreed with quite a bit of what was in the Horowitz report.Horowitz already found that there was no political motivation behind the FBI's actions. His findings were that the FBI's investigations into the trump campaign and russia were justified. Despite the fact that there were some 17 ommisions and inaccuracies in various warrants.You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!
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It will be good watching Obama, Biden, Hillary, Comey and the rest trying to defend the made up story of Russian collusion for the next 6 months. They went out of their way to create this hoax and after 3 years of investigating Trump it has spectacularly backfired on them.0
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It’s not anything you want it to be. Obamagate is simple. The unmasking of US citizens by government officials for the purpose of stopping espionage is appropriate and legitimate. But officers from the Director of National Intelligence would be the appropriate people making such unmasking requests, and only when there is a clear risk of espionage. Unmasking by Obama’s people for political purposes is not legal, as is the leaking of such information to the media... Nor was it legal how Obama’s officials and his cronies within the FBI used the information to target, discredit, and take down Flynn, or Trump and his campaign, or any transition personnel. And that’s exactly what happened... and criminal.mcmoustache wrote: »It could be. It can be whatever you want it to be. That's the beauty of it. All he has to do is say it without explaining what it is and all of the "What Trump meant was" crowd will make something up themselves.
One poster is still working on his thesis in relation to this and is still being coy about it. Another is taking the opposite approach and covering all bases by throwing everything into it. I know that there are a few others out there working the "unmasking" angle but they can't come up with anything that doesn't sound retarded when they read it back to themselves.
It will be interesting to see what they come up with. Hopefully we'll see the fruits of their labour before Trump comes out and says that he was just joking or something.You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!
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If any are required to testify, watch for the phrase "I don't recall" being used about a zillion times.one world order wrote: »It will be good watching Obama, Biden, Hillary, Comey and the rest trying to defend the made up story of Russian collusion for the next 6 months. They went out of their way to create this hoax and after 3 years of investigating Trump it has spectacularly backfired on them.You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!
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They already have... like the FBI's original Flynn 302 report where Flynn is alleged to have perjured himself has suddenly gone missing... Poof! How convenient!one world order wrote: »And emails and correspondence suddenly disappearing. Oh dear...You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!
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Something the mainstream media doesn’t want to report on is the fact that declassified transcripts show CrowdStrike (the firm hired by the DNC to investigate their email hacks because they refused the FBI access to their servers) couldn't say for sure that the Russians stole the DNC emails. Yet the media proclaims, ad nauseum, that the Russians did it. And CrowdStrike was basically the only basis for their information and reporting?So did they also get the FBI to invest Hilary's emails just before the election which was extremely damaging.
Flynn admitted lying to the FBI, the Mueller report did not explicitly exonerate Trump.
This Obamacare nonsense is purely a deflection tactic for Trump to distract from his terrible handling of the coronavirus crisis.You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!
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It’s not anything you want it to be. Obamagate is simple. The unmasking of US citizens by government officials for the purpose of stopping espionage is appropriate and legitimate. But officers from the Director of National Intelligence would be the appropriate people making such unmasking requests, and only when there is a clear risk of espionage. Unmasking by Obama’s people for political purposes is not legal, as is the leaking of such information to the media... Nor was it legal how Obama’s officials and his cronies within the FBI used the information to target, discredit, and take down Flynn, or Trump and his campaign, or any transition personnel. And that’s exactly what happened... and criminal.
I see that Obamagate means some different to you than it does to Pete. That's the beauty of it. It can mean whatever you want it to mean.
Just on this unmasking, I could waste my time explaining how you don't know what you're talking about but it takes less effort for you to regurgitate nonsense on here than it does for me to correct all of it and even then, you would just ignore the corrections and repeat your/pjmedia's nonsense.0 -
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Something the mainstream media doesn’t want to report on is the fact that declassified transcripts show CrowdStrike (the firm hired by the DNC to investigate their email hacks because they refused the FBI access to their servers) couldn't say for sure that the Russians stole the DNC emails. Yet the media proclaims, ad nauseum, that the Russians did it. And CrowdStrike was basically the only basis for their information and reporting?
Let me guess. Seth Rich was involved?0
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