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2020 US Presidential Election (aka: The Trump Coronation)

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    #2822
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    mcmoustache wrote: »
    I see that Obamagate means some different to you than it does to Pete. That's the beauty of it. It can mean whatever you want it to mean.

    Just on this unmasking, I could waste my time explaining how you don't know what you're talking about but it takes less effort for you to regurgitate nonsense on here than it does for me to correct all of it and even then, you would just ignore the corrections and repeat your/pjmedia's nonsense.
    Please do explain it. I'll go grab the popcorn.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #2823
    amdublin
    Registered Users Posts: 20,653 ✭✭✭✭amdublin


    Barack Obama's twitter feed is a joy to read compared to the rubbish the current President of USA spews on a daily basis.

    Classy post from Barack yesterday:
    Vote.


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    #2824
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    amdublin wrote: »
    Barack Obama's twitter feed is a joy to read compared to the rubbish the current President of USA spews on a daily basis.

    Classy post from Barack yesterday:
    Vote.
    A good defense is a strong offense. Obama's no fool, he'll try and get public opinion on his side before it comes out he was probably the slimiest president in our history.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #2825
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    mcmoustache wrote: »
    Let me guess. Seth Rich was involved?
    Unknown, but it seems the Russians probably weren't involved.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #2826
    housetypeb
    Registered Users Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭housetypeb


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Please do explain it. I'll go grab the popcorn.

    Of course you'll grab the popcorn.
    Even if he broke it down line for line for you-you would just ignore it anyway.

    Your pattern has been established,they'll do the work and then you'll put another post of innuendo and digs,sprinkled with a minimum of facts, to start it all over again.
    Rinse,wash and repeat.

    You actually discourage any nuanced thinking from your own thread with your oddly idiotic clickbait style of posts.

    But that's what you want.


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    #2827
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    housetypeb wrote: »
    Of course you'll grab the popcorn.
    Even if he broke it down line for line for you-you would just ignore it anyway.

    Your pattern has been established,they'll do the work and then you'll put another post of innuendo and digs,sprinkled with a minimum of facts, to start it all over again.
    Rinse,wash and repeat.

    You actually discourage any nuanced thinking from your own thread with your oddly idiotic clickbait style of posts.

    But that's what you want.
    No, I want the truth. I remember when I made the claim in the Politics section that the Trump campaign was spied upon (terrible me... I had the audacity to read more than just the nonsense biased reporting from The NY Times, the Washington Post, CNN and MSNBC) and was trashed then like you and your ilk are doing today. I was even permanently banned in Politics for speaking the truth that the biased media eventually had to concede to.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #2828
    hetuzozaho
    Registered Users Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭hetuzozaho


    housetypeb wrote: »
    Of course you'll grab the popcorn.
    Even if he broke it down line for line for you-you would just ignore it anyway.

    Your pattern has been established,they'll do the work and then you'll put another post of innuendo and digs,sprinkled with a minimum of facts, to start it all over again.
    Rinse,wash and repeat.

    You actually discourage any nuanced thinking from your own thread with your oddly idiotic clickbait style of posts.

    But that's what you want.

    Don't forget the copy/pasting.

    Actually that's unfair, copy/edit so difficult to google the source/pasting.


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    #2829
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    notobtuse wrote: »
    No, I want the truth. I remember when I made the claim in the Politics section that the Trump campaign was spied upon (terrible me... I had the audacity to read more than just the nonsense biased reporting from The NY Times, the Washington Post, CNN and MSNBC) and was trashed then like you and your ilk are doing today. I was even permanently banned in Politics for speaking the truth that the biased media eventually had to concede to.

    “The Trump campaign” wasn’t spied on. Certain people within it were as part of a counter intelligence investigation. That’s a very important distinction.

    How’s Paul Manafort doing?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #2830
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Brian? wrote: »
    “The Trump campaign” wasn’t spied on. Certain people within it were as part of a counter intelligence investigation. That’s a very important distinction.

    How’s Paul Manafort doing?
    Spin it all you want but the Trump campaign WAS spied on by using a fraudulently obtained FISA warrant.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #2831
    duploelabs
    Registered Users Posts: 11,457 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Spin it all you want but the Trump campaign WAS spied on by using a fraudulently obtained FISA warrant.

    How's Roger Stone doing?


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    #2832
    housetypeb
    Registered Users Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭housetypeb


    notobtuse wrote: »
    No, I want the truth. I remember when I made the claim in the Politics section that the Trump campaign was spied upon (terrible me... I had the audacity to read more than just the nonsense biased reporting from The NY Times, the Washington Post, CNN and MSNBC) and was trashed then like you and your ilk are doing today. I was even permanently banned in Politics for speaking the truth that the biased media eventually had to concede to.

    You don't want the whole truth.
    You want to be told that the team you support in the mud fight is cleaner than clean, and that the opposing team are all dirty.


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    #2833
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    duploelabs wrote: »
    How's Roger Stone doing?
    About to become very rich after he sues the biased democrat-loving and Trump-hating Mueller prosecutors in case.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #2834
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    housetypeb wrote: »
    You don't want the whole truth.
    You want to be told that the team you support in the mud fight is cleaner than clean, and that the opposing team are all dirty.
    Nope, I want the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #2835
    housetypeb
    Registered Users Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭housetypeb


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Nope, I want the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.[/QUOTE

    Sure, the whole thread is littered with your one suspect only search for the truth.


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    #2836
    Cody montana
    Registered Users Posts: 5,331 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Nope, I want the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

    Except when you’re copying and pasting the work of others.


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    #2837
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Please do explain it. I'll go grab the popcorn.

    Obamagate is whatever you want it to be. That's the beauty of it.


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    #2838
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,597 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Nope, I want the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

    How about we use the old adage of "you first"?

    You post random articles from clearly biased right wing sites then whinge when people post from an MMS site.

    You clearly copy text from said sites, edit it to make it look like your own words and then paste it here. As before I fully expect you to ignore me bringing this up because you are obviously ashamed that you have been caught out and not for the first time.

    You say you want the truth yet you are the one who is untruthful in his posts, you do not post in good faith and when called out on this you ignore and continue to spout your pro Trump/right wing vitriol.

    You sir are a fraud.


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    #2839
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Unknown, but it seems the Russians probably weren't involved.

    I have heard that claim before but it always came from Russian media and consumers of Russian media and of course, Julian Assange.

    The Mueller report describes in great detail what happened and that it could be anyone other than the Russians is a bit stupid at this point.


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    #2840
    The Nal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,860 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    I think all politicians are weird, especially people who think they can be leaders of the free world. But the support for Trump is just... cringe. Especially in Ireland. I thought the same about Obama. But Trump, a TV personality who ran on a self serving ego trip, who couldn't give a toss about anyone but himself never mind a few Irish people on Boards.ie, yet some people on here absolutely worship the guy.

    From the one way admiration, from using Trump to take a "we vs you" approach, from parroting stuff he makes up on the fly in bed on Twitter and stating it as fact, to arguing for Trump all over the internet and so on. A TV star!

    I get that its a need for affiliation thing and you need something to cling on to so you can feel a part of something but still...

    Its really really embarrassing. Mortified for you.


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    #2841
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    mcmoustache wrote: »
    I have heard that claim before but it always came from Russian media and consumers of Russian media and of course, Julian Assange.

    The Mueller report describes in great detail what happened and that it could be anyone other than the Russians is a bit stupid at this point.
    That's odd because the only thing Mueller and his merry band of democrat-loving prosecutors had to rely on was what CrowdStrike told them as the DNC didn't want the FBI anywhere near their servers. And CrowdStrike said they couldn't be sure that the Russians even hacked the DNC server.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #2842
    one world order
    Registered Users Posts: 592 ✭✭✭one world order


    This is going to be a big one. All roads lead to Obama. Spying on the Trump administration by the deep state loyal to Obama and Biden, illegal unmasking of general Flynn, meeting with top FBI officials after they found zero Russian collusion and changing the narrative, plotting to destroy the incoming president. The biggest names in the previous administration have now taken on top lawyers and know what's coming. All their lies about Russian interference are coming back to bite them :)


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    #2843
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Brian? wrote: »
    “The Trump campaign” wasn’t spied on. Certain people within it were as part of a counter intelligence investigation. That’s a very important distinction.

    'Two hops' ;)


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    #2844
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    The Nal wrote: »
    I think all politicians are weird, especially people who think they can be leaders of the free world. But the support for Trump is just... cringe. Especially in Ireland. I thought the same about Obama. But Trump, a TV personality who ran on a self serving ego trip, who couldn't give a toss about anyone but himself never mind a few Irish people on Boards.ie, yet some people on here absolutely worship the guy.

    From the one way admiration, from using Trump to take a "we vs you" approach, from parroting stuff he makes up on the fly in bed on Twitter and stating it as fact, to arguing for Trump all over the internet and so on. A TV star!

    I get that its a need for affiliation thing and you need something to cling on to so you can feel a part of something but still...

    Its really really embarrassing. Mortified for you.
    If I agreed with you we’d both be wrong. I'm kinda embarrassed for you that you don't see the big picture. Think about it... What is the most important thing a president does in 4 or 8 years in office, and why does it matter so much who becomes president? Policy and priority is important but not tops in importance. Answer... It’s the president’s picks for Federal Courts and the Supreme Court. Those are the men and women who really do shape the country for decades. That is why it is so important to get the guy who would do the best job in court picks into office... and everything else pretty much becomes secondary.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #2845
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    The Nal wrote: »

    I get that its a need for affiliation thing and you need something to cling on to so you can feel a part of something but still...

    Its really really embarrassing. Mortified for you.


    That's the bit that I have an issue with. I could totally understand if their point of view was something like:

    I don't like paying taxes and I want more conservative judges, even if they're incompetent so I want Trump to win. Sure he's an ignoramus with the temperament of a five year old but I'm not concerned about the negative social consequences of his Presidency on others


    I might disagree with such a stance but I can accept it as a position that's at least grounded in reality.


    But that's not what I'm getting from Trump supporters. Instead I get backflips and contortions of reality to justify everything that he says or does. I'm not always sure if they are true believers or just doing their Trumpian duty but the amount of deception from them is beyond anything I've seen before in the West.


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    #2846
    Cody montana
    Registered Users Posts: 5,331 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    one world order wrote: »
    This is going to be a big one. All roads lead to Obama. Spying on the Trump administration by the deep state loyal to Obama and Biden, illegal unmasking of general Flynn, meeting with top FBI officials after they found zero Russian collusion and changing the narrative, plotting to destroy the incoming president. The biggest names in the previous administration have now taken on top lawyers and know what's coming. All their lies about Russian interference are coming back to bite them :)

    What crime was committed?


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    #2847
    [Deleted User]
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    one world order wrote: »
    This is going to be a big one. All roads lead to Obama. Spying on the Trump administration by the deep state loyal to Obama and Biden, illegal unmasking of general Flynn, meeting with top FBI officials after they found zero Russian collusion and changing the narrative, plotting to destroy the incoming president. The biggest names in the previous administration have now taken on top lawyers and know what's coming. All their lies about Russian interference are coming back to bite them :)

    There's absolutely no indication that "this is going to be a big one", I imagine the election will focus on the atrocious response to the Coronavirus and coping with the resultant fallout of it.


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    #2848
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    notobtuse wrote: »
    That's odd because the only thing Mueller and his merry band of democrat-loving prosecutors had to rely on was what CrowdStrike told them as the DNC didn't want the FBI anywhere near their servers. And CrowdStrike said they couldn't be sure that the Russians even hacked the DNC server.


    How can you be this misinformed? Seriously? That's absolute horse manure.


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    #2849
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    one world order wrote: »
    This is going to be a big one. All roads lead to Obama. Spying on the Trump administration by the deep state loyal to Obama and Biden, illegal unmasking of general Flynn, meeting with top FBI officials after they found zero Russian collusion and changing the narrative, plotting to destroy the incoming president. The biggest names in the previous administration have now taken on top lawyers and know what's coming. All their lies about Russian interference are coming back to bite them :)


    Christ. The QAnon nonsense is spreading.


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    #2850
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Spin it all you want but the Trump campaign WAS spied on by using a fraudulently obtained FISA warrant.

    The FISA warrant wasn't fraudulently obtained. The Trump campaign wasn’t spied on. Some members of it were. You’re the one spinning this.

    The surveillance led to actual criminal convictions for some pretty serious crimes. You think Manafort should be pardoned now?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #2851
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    mcmoustache wrote: »
    How can you be this misinformed? Seriously? That's absolute horse manure.
    You really should keep up on current events.

    https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2020/05/13/hidden_over_2_years_dem_cyber-firms_sworn_testimony_it_had_no_proof_of_russian_hack_of_dnc_123596.html

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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