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The Fianna Fail front bench

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    #32
    Loafing Oaf
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    Is Calleary guaranteed to tanaiste if it's a single-party government? Paddy Power have him level with Lisa Chambers for the job. Could he remain FF deputy leader while another FFer is deputy PM?


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    #33
    Working class heroes
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    Didn’t think we had a “Brexit “ minister. Thought it was a junior minister for European affairs?

    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



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    #34
    Bishop of hope
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    Billcarson wrote: »
    Wrist slitting stuff,god help us if they get in.

    True enough, but there will certainly be new TD's elected, maybe some talent there, I don't know.
    But shadow ministerial roles aren't always followed on when an election is complete.

    Anyway all is speculative and coalition partners would also be given cabinet seats so a possibility of shinners, sds, greens, labours and maybe even an Indo or two.


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    #35
    Plumbthedepths
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    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Is Calleary guaranteed to tanaiste if it's a single-party government? Paddy Power have him level with Lisa Chambers for the job. Could he remain FF deputy leader while another FFer is deputy PM?

    It won't be single party government , not on the polling %. If the Greens go in the gig is Ryan's.


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    #36
    Loafing Oaf
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    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    so a possibility of sinners

    A few sodomites and fornicators perhaps, your grace?


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    #37
    Kaleb Witty Gumdrop
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    It certainly makes for grim reading.


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    #38
    Bishop of hope
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    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    A few sodomites and fornicators perhaps, your grace?

    Sorry lol, auto correct, edited. Lol again, but maybe not too wrong


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    #39
    Edgware
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    gmisk wrote: »
    Ah now they have that young up and coming progressive voice Jack Chambers to call on...

    Four years ago they were saying that about Harris and Murphy


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    #40
    Edgware
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    When you lay it out like that OP...yikes.

    Too many of the old guard there looking to get back to the golden trough.

    It's time to let new people get a go at the trough


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    #41
    Kermit.de.frog
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    Say what you like about him but Simon Coveney is hands down the most talented politician in the country.

    He is head and shoulders above everyone on that list.

    Shame.


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    #42
    Ulysses Gaze
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    9 years after getting booted out and this is the new, reinvigorated, refreshed, re-energised, renewed Fianna Fail?



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    #43
    Plumbthedepths
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    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Say what you like about him but Simon Coveney is hands down the most talented politician in the country.

    He is head and shoulders above everyone on that list.

    Shame.

    The guy that ran out of the housing ministry after claiming child homeless would be ended in 2017?
    Seriously what makes someone a talented politician, lie with a straight face and never get found out?


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    #44
    Edgware
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    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Say what you like about him but Simon Coveney is hands down the most talented politician in the country.

    He is head and shoulders above everyone on that list.

    Shame.
    Taking over the Bore for Ireland title from from John Hume


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    #45
    NovemberWren
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    That's going to be a Nauseating 'photo. June '20. Uriah Heep Fianna Fail, and trailing in along and behind them (and with them) - Fine Gael. All-together. All on the one and same side of the Dail.
    Deh Truth ?


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    #46
    Muahahaha
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    Hard to know, the Green party vote looks like being very tight to get to their 66% and there is a campaign on in FF to vote No too but that needs more than 50% of party members to win the day


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    #47
    NovemberWren
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    @Muahahaha. don't know who Jim O'Callaghan is. But, why do barristers (and solicitors) not inform any litigant of what the costs are and may be. They simply do not do business. Are they just anticipating millionaires like D.O'B. to work for?

    Or, the less that they inform - the more likely then the dissuasion of any lay litigants, [i.e. the more there are lay litigants, the more likely the fees will begin to decrease]. Solicitors just do not consider that people may need just initial advice; without their representation.


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    #48
    Muahahaha
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    NovemberWren wrote: »
    @Muahahaha. don't know who Jim O'Callaghan is. But, why do barristers (and solicitors) not inform any litigant of what the costs are and may be. They simply do not do business. Are they just anticipating millionaires like D.O'B. to work for?

    Or, the less that they inform - the more likely then the dissuasion of any lay litigants, [i.e. the more there are lay litigants, the more likely the fees will begin to decrease]. Solicitors just do not consider that people may need just initial advice; without their representation.

    Solicitors do inform clients in advance of an approx cost of their case, in fact they are legally obliged to outline it in a letter. Thats fine for work like wills and conveyancing where the price is generally fixed. But with litigation in court you simply dont know if the other side will go all the way and how much work will have to go into it until the case is over so its not as predictable. A case in the High Court can cost 50k and if it lasts days and days then the price can be multiples of that.

    Irish legal costs were supposed to be reformed when the IMF Troika were here, it was part of the bailout agreement. But Alan Shatter made a mess of it. In the end the barristers of the Bar Council stifled it and watered it down by tabling over 200 amendments to the bill. Jim o'Callaghan as barrister did his colleagues bidding in the Dail. When all was said and done legal costs are just as high now as they were before the IMF rolled into town.

    As has been said many times before justice in Ireland is for the extremely wealthy or the extremely broke who get free legal aid. For anyone outside of those two groups it is frightening in cost and unaffordable, We have some of the highest legal costs out of the entre EU 27.


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    #49
    Mr. Karate
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    ELM327 wrote: »
    Cowen and Haughey on the FF benches again, by god it's been a while

    Just what Ireland needs at a time like this. Cowen back and another Haughey. Its like the parasites trying to make sure the corpse has been bled dry.


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    #50
    NovemberWren
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    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Solicitors do inform clients in advance of an approx cost of their case, in fact they are legally obliged to outline it in a letter. Thats fine for work like wills and conveyancing where the price is generally fixed. But with litigation in court you simply dont know if the other side will go all the way and how much work will have to go into it until the case is over so its not as predictable. A case in the High Court can cost 50k and if it lasts days and days then the price can be multiples of that.

    Irish legal costs were supposed to be reformed when the IMF Troika were here, it was part of the bailout agreement. But Alan Shatter made a mess of it. In the end the barristers of the Bar Council stifled it and watered it down by tabling over 200 amendments to the bill. Jim o'Callaghan as barrister did his colleagues bidding in the Dail. When all was said and done legal costs are just as high now as they were before the IMF rolled into town.

    As has been said many times before justice in Ireland is for the extremely wealthy or the extremely broke who get free legal aid. For anyone outside of those two groups it is frightening in cost and unaffordable, We have some of the highest legal costs out of the entre EU 27.

    that feather of Maat is an ephemeral thing. yet it is the last hurdle that we all think will solve grievance immediately. Hopefully, sometimes courts do work. Crazily enough, I do not blame barristers; if they seem to typify the world, then the world must be fixed.
    But there seems to be a very definite change now though, around courts - people do their own paperwork, and whether this is a good or bad thing; the [necessary?] mystery is being queried.
    In the U.S., when something is wrong; people not only do not go to court, but keep stchumm even though problems are absolutely overbearing. The house could easily be lost, if a case is lost.
    I dunno, - but could a 'lockdown' be put on the home dwelling? and costs only considered, not including the home dwelling?
    So many (and mid-range) people are quite intimidated, and yet, they may be the cohort who could effect change?
    anyhow, i am poor, and i guess, will risk it, intimidating though it is.


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    #51
    Muahahaha
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    Norma Foley getting Minister for Education having only been elected for the first time a few months ago was a bit of a shocker. Must be some kind of record in Irish politics, a first time TD being elevating straight to Minister


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    #52
    Loafing Oaf
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    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Norma Foley getting Minister for Education having only been elected for the first time a few months ago was a bit of a shocker. Must be some kind of record in Irish politics, a first time TD being elevating straight to Minister

    Actually it's a bit of a tradition in Irish politics:
    Noël Browne Minister for Health February 1948
    Kevin Boland Minister for Defence March 1957
    Martin O'Donoghue Minister for Economic Planning and Development July 1977
    Alan Dukes Minister for Agriculture June 1981
    Niamh Bhreathnach Minister for Education January 1993
    Katherine Zappone Minister for Children and Youth Affairs


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