Amber Heard admits to beating up Johnny Depp

Gervais08

dogbert27 wrote: »

The #metoo movement came about as a protest of sexual exploitation of women in the work place.

This case between Depp and Heard is a murky, grey domestic case where you can't say for certain what is the truth.

It's not the #metoo movements fight and they would have probably got a lot more negative reactions than positive for supporting Heard.

To be fair #MeToo would have died on it arse if Weinstein was fit.

Still find it hilarious Dakota Johnson is an avid supporters while trousering millions to perpetuate an abusive relationship on screen. Just cos he has billions, Grey is still a manipulative coercive twat.

BattleCorp

Gervais08 wrote: »

Still find it hilarious Dakota Johnson is an avid supporters while trousering millions to perpetuate an abusive relationship on screen. Just cos he has billions, Grey is still a manipulative coercive twat.

Pssssssssssst. It's just a movie.

Gervais08

BattleCorp wrote: »

Pssssssssssst. It's just a movie.

Tell that to the many many women stating with an abusive man as they believe “my love can change him - Ana did it!”

Genuine quote btw - this won’t end well.

One eyed Jack

dogbert27 wrote: »

The #metoo movement came about as a protest of sexual exploitation of women in the work place.

This case between Depp and Heard is a murky, grey domestic case where you can't say for certain what is the truth.

It's not the #metoo movements fight and they would have probably got a lot more negative reactions than positive for supporting Heard.

Well the one thing I do know for certain is that Depp is a wife beater, but you’re right about the metoo movement - celebrities didn’t want to ruin their own careers by being seen to support Amber Heard because she wasn’t the ideal victim.

The public didn’t actually care for who Harvey Weinstein was, or half the unknown power players in Hollywood, but going after a figure beloved by the public like Johnny Depp? Even on this thread we’ve seen how people will defend him and condemn Heard as though there is any equivalence in their behaviour. Depp should be doing time.

dogbert27

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Well the one thing I do know for certain is that Depp is a wife beater, but you’re right about the metoo movement - celebrities didn’t want to ruin their own careers by being seen to support Amber Heard because she wasn’t the ideal victim.

The public didn’t actually care for who Harvey Weinstein was, or half the unknown power players in Hollywood, but going after a figure beloved by the public like Johnny Depp? Even on this thread we’ve seen how people will defend him and condemn Heard as though there is any equivalence in their behaviour. Depp should be doing time.

I don't think it's anything about being the ideal victim.

In this dysfunctional relationship they were both as bad as each other and if Depp should be in jail for assault so should Heard.

Wibbs

dogbert27 wrote: »

I don't think it's anything about being the ideal victim.

Sometime it can even be down to being the ideal enabler. I've know a couple of relationships like that down the years. People who otherwise weren't nightmares in previous or subsequent relationships, but were utterly toxic for each other in one relationship.

Gervais08

Wibbs wrote: »

Sometime it can even be down to being the ideal enabler. I've know a couple of relationships like that down the years. People who otherwise weren't nightmares in previous or subsequent relationships, but were utterly toxic for each other in one relationship.

Telling that Vanessa Paradis has nothing but glowing words for Depp.

ohnonotgmail

Gervais08 wrote: »

Telling that Vanessa Paradis has nothing but glowing words for Depp.

Is it? Depps drug and alcohol intake increased as he got older. Or maybe he knew that she just wouldn't take his ****?

Gervais08

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Is it? Depps drug and alcohol intake increased as he got older. Or maybe he knew that she just wouldn't take his ****?

Oh maybe Heard is a lying, violent harpy.

ohnonotgmail

Gervais08 wrote: »

Oh maybe Heard is a lying, violent harpy.

Or maybe Vanessa is?

IAMAMORON

I don't know any husbands out there whose wives would tolerate them getting hooped on wine, banger and pills and get away with it.

It is telling that Vanesa Paradis divorced him.

I am sure Johnny Depp would be great craic to spend a weekend with, but by Wednesday afternoon you would have had enough. Can you imagine how bad he smells, all the toxins running through his body? Eugh. A walking ashtray pickled with expensive overpriced red wine and whatever finger food he is gorging on. OMG he sounds so phucking disgusting it almost make me nauseous thinking about him..... I doubt he changes out of his leather trousers that often either, pooooey.

Gervais08

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Or maybe Vanessa is?

Yeh sure mate whatever - been zero suggestion of that ever but sure slur a woman’s good name to defend a drug addled violent slapper.

ohnonotgmail

Gervais08 wrote: »

Yeh sure mate whatever - been zero suggestion of that ever but sure slur a woman’s good name to defend a drug addled violent slapper.

drug addled and violent seems to describe Depp pretty well too but you only seem to have a problem with her.

Gervais08

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I don't know any husbands out there whose wives would tolerate them getting hooped on wine, banger and pills and get away with it.

It is telling that Vanesa Paradis divorced him.

I am sure Johnny Depp would be great craic to spend a weekend with, but by Wednesday afternoon you would have had enough. Can you imagine how bad he smells, all the toxins running through his body? Eugh. A walking ashtray pickled with expensive overpriced red wine and whatever finger food he is gorging on. OMG he sounds so phucking disgusting it almost make me nauseous thinking about him..... I doubt he changes out of his leather trousers that often either, pooooey.

This post reads like it was written by my 11 year old niece - except she’s intelligent.

Gervais08

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

drug addled and violent seems to describe Depp pretty well too but you only seem to have a problem with her.

Not at all, I have a problem because she’s being painted as the victim which she is very very much not.

Galwayguy35

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Or maybe Vanessa is?

Or maybe there was no domestic violence in the relationship at all.

There is no evidence to suggest he did anything to her so no need to just make things up to suit your own agenda.

ohnonotgmail

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Or maybe there was no domestic violence in the relationship at all.

There is no evidence to suggest he did anything to her so no need to just make things up to suit your own agenda.

other posters seem to think it is ok to call people they don't know liars so i thought i would join in

IAMAMORON

Gervais08 wrote: »

Not at all, I have a problem because she’s being painted as the victim which she is very very much not.

I doubt she has the PR agents which the studios fork out for him either.

She is very expendable, he simply isn't. The POTC merchandising cannot afford it if he is a cheeky pirate who also happens to be a drug addict who slaps his wives around, does not go well with the soccer moms after a while, they spend the money.

The only thing Amber Heard has done wrong here is backing herself to marry him, change him up a bit and further her own career, she failed. That makes her ambitious, but all of Hollywood wants a house on the hill too. She is not alone there.

Gervais08

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I doubt she has the PR agents which the studios fork out for him either.

She is very expendable, he simply isn't. The POTC merchandising cannot afford it if he is a cheeky pirate who also happens to be a drug addict who slaps his wives around, does not go well with the soccer moms after a while, they spend the money.

The only thing Amber Heard has done wrong here is backing herself to marry him, change him up a bit and further her own career, she failed. That makes her ambitious, but all of Hollywood wants a house on the hill too. She is not alone there.

Absolutely delusional - you’ve got her as a sad little mousey girl being abused and having nowhere to turn.

No PR??? Comical, just comical.

marieholmfan

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Or maybe there was no domestic violence in the relationship at all.

There is no evidence to suggest he did anything to her so no need to just make things up to suit your own agenda.

He was found in court to be a wife beater.

Gervais08

marieholmfan wrote: »

He was found in court to be a wife beater.

Yeah and if you agree with a rag like the Sun you have your own issues.

Galwayguy35

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

other posters seem to think it is ok to call people they don't know liars so i thought i would join in

But yet you fail to mention Heard had a domestic violence charge back in 08 where a former partner alleged she hurt her arm, it was later dropped but something actually did happen in that case unlike you coming on making things up about Paradis in your own head.

ohnonotgmail

Gervais08 wrote: »

Yeah and if you agree with a rag like the Sun you have your own issues.

so you're happy to ignore the evidence he gave himself?

Galwayguy35

marieholmfan wrote: »

He was found in court to be a wife beater.

I was responding to a poster who suggested Paradis was lying when she said nothing happened when she was with Depp.

At least know the context of the post you are quoting, I don't have time to spoonfeed you.

IAMAMORON

Gervais08 wrote: »

Absolutely delusional - you’ve got her as a sad little mousey girl being abused and having nowhere to turn.

No PR??? Comical, just comical.

I thought I had the mental capacity of an 11 year old girl?

Am I funny or do I have a learning disability?

It gets boring when all you can do is lob insults back at posters, it shows either a lack of invention or a really lazy personality.

If he was the instigator of the abuse, I doubt she would be violent back. Men are naturallly stronger than women, if he was the aggressor I don't think she would fight back for fear of making the beating worse.

Since both sides were at it, I would say the most likely thing that happened is she pushed, provoked and beat him until he eventually snapped and hit her back.

For 99.9% of men, violence is a last resort and only used after all other avenues have been explored. Men can sense that unwritten code - otherwise we'd all be dead. Women don't have that same genetic wiring. They know they can take a swing and still be spared retribution most of the time.

Wibbs

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I don't know any husbands out there whose wives would tolerate them getting hooped on wine, banger and pills and get away with it.

It is telling that Vanesa Paradis divorced him.

For a start she couldn't divorce him, because she wasn't married to him. She did give him the flick alright, most obviously because he went off with and left her for a woman half his age. He was on the gargle and the rest for donkey's years and before they met and she was still with him and even after they split was keen to back him up on the non wife abuser stuff. As were his other exes like Winona Ryder. Even with the #metoo movement in full swing with lots of skeletons being dragged from closets especially from the 90's and many of those doing the dragging knew Depp, but nada.

Do I think Depp is an alco with drug and ego problems? 100% yes. Do I think he's not the sharpest tool in the shed? Most certainly. Do I think he was an abuser of women before Heard? I honestly doubt it. Do I think he abused Heard? Very likely. Do I think she abused him? Very likely. Hell, she directly admitted it. IMHO there was a pair of them in it, who for various reasons* enabled really stupid and ugly behaviour in each other. That would my albeit personal take anyway.

He stupidly(back to not sharpest tool in the shed) took it to court, in a current climate of #metoo and the like when even hints about men are believed far more than hints about women. He could have just let it lie, let his PR crowd release "exclusive leaks" from Paradis and Ryder and ride it out with a no comment and a sad shake of the head at Heard's accusations. Throw in a few "I truly wish her well" with a sad resolve. But ego and lawyers sniffing money got in the way.



*Him: midlife crisis. Alco and druggie. Has what should have been a fling with young starlet on set. Thought oh god, I'm old, better get in a last hurrah(Jagger: Hold my beer). He pursues for more and finds the reality doesn't match up. When he's sober enough to see reality.

Her: Has what should have been a fling with elder statesman star on set. Thinks OK, it is what it is. He pursues, she thinks maybe and maybe it's good for my career. The reality of a drunken sot who's not the sharpest really doesn't match up to the fantasy, but the cash and attention takes some of the pain away.

Both: comes out in frustration and aggression towards each other from both making a dumb fling into a dumber relationship. Add in vast sums of money that keeps the yes people yessing throughout. Until they stop and try to milk it another way.

Result: He's in the wilderness, but might come back with some rehabilitation(and he got paid in full for the part he was "asked to leave"). She's got one franchise part, but I can see her being otherwise toxic to casting agents. Dumb all over the place from start to finish.

Wibbs

Deleted User wrote: »

If he was the instigator of the abuse, I doubt she would be violent back. Men are naturallly stronger than women, if he was the aggressor I don't think she would fight back for fear of making the beating worse.

Actually studies show that in reciprocal abuse there is both in the mix and women do fight back/kick off abuse. In non reciprocal violence it's more likely it's actually the woman doing the abusing and the men not responding in kind. The difference is small though. IIRC something like 55% are where the woman is the abuser. Where the man is the abuser the women don't fight back. This pair sound more like the reciprocal demographic.

For 99.9% of men, violence is a last resort and only used after all other avenues have been explored. Men can sense that unwritten code - otherwise we'd all be dead. Women don't have that same genetic wiring. They know they can take a swing and still be spared retribution most of the time.

Somewhat true, though all bets are off with drink and drugs in the mix. For men and women. There are far more examples of men beating the head off each other and women doing similar after the pubs close than on a Tuesday afternoon.

ohnonotgmail

Deleted User wrote: »

If he was the instigator of the abuse, I doubt she would be violent back. Men are naturallly stronger than women, if he was the aggressor I don't think she would fight back for fear of making the beating worse.

Since both sides were at it, I would say the most likely thing that happened is she pushed, provoked and beat him until he eventually snapped and hit her back.

For 99.9% of men, violence is a last resort and only used after all other avenues have been explored. Men can sense that unwritten code - otherwise we'd all be dead. Women don't have that same genetic wiring. They know they can take a swing and still be spared retribution most of the time.

i dont suppose you have a source for that? it's just that it sounds like complete bull**** to me.

Wibbs

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

i dont suppose you have a source for that? it's just that it sounds like complete bull**** to me.

Aye the 99.9% stuff is pure conjecture and that's being kind. Though if you look at abuse in general in relationships some broad gender patterns do emerge. The least likely to suffer abuse are Gay male relationships, Heterosexual relationships carry more risk and riskiest of all are Lesbian relationships.

IAMAMORON

Wibbs wrote: »

He stupidly(back to not sharpest tool in the shed) took it to court, in a current climate of #metoo and the like when even hints about men are believed far more than hints about women. He could have just let it lie, let his PR crowd release "exclusive leaks" from Paradis and Ryder and ride it out with a no comment and a sad shake of the head at Heard's accusations. Throw in a few "I truly wish her well" with a sad resolve. But ego and lawyers sniffing money got in the way.

For me this is enough evidence of the narcissist living in his head. He is most likely surrounded by parasites like agents, solicitors and other riff raff who are more than happy to play along with his whims. When he wanted his day in court they were more than happy to tell him what a great idea it was... whereas all they were really doing was counting the dollars in fees they are earning. I can only imagine the shight that gathers around the likes of him. Furthermore if he is on the sauce and the powders he cannot be all that much fun to be around.

ohnonotgmail

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

i dont suppose you have a source for that? it's just that it sounds like complete bull**** to me.

It's not a scientific theory, i don't think there can possibly be any study of 99.9% of all men in the world.

Just because it hasn't been peer reviewed and published in academic journals doesn't necessarily mean it's "complete bullsh*t" though. It's a finger in the air, an opinion, subjective. Everyone's entitled to their opinions.

One eyed Jack

dogbert27 wrote: »

I don't think it's anything about being the ideal victim.

In this dysfunctional relationship they were both as bad as each other and if Depp should be in jail for assault so should Heard.

I meant she wasn’t the ideal victim as in she didn’t fit the profile because she wasn’t more pure than the driven snow for one thing, and then she was the stereotype of the Hollywood dolly - talentless, brainless, and beautiful (and hooking up with Johnny Depp!). That’s why it’s difficult for women to have any sympathy for her - you can’t have sympathy for someone you’re envious of.

If Heard had been pucking Depp about the place and beaten him in the same way as the evidence showed he had done to her, then yeah, I’d agree he was as bad as her and they should both be doing time. But it wasn’t even close, and sure, there’s an argument to say she was psychologically abusive, but that’s not the same thing, and certainly doesn’t have the same outcomes, and still doesn’t excuse Depp for what he did as though the consequences of their behaviour was the same and they should be treated the same by way of punishment.

One could argue that she martyred herself because she has issues of her own, but that’s not a criminal offence, and certainly doesn’t diminish any sympathy I would have for her in those circumstances. None of that gives Depp the right to do what he did, and none of it excuses his behaviour.

I’d also suggest that it’s silly to draw any comparisons from celebrities circumstances and try and map them to ordinary people’s circumstances because celebrities operate in a completely different environment to the general public - your average Joe or Jane doesn’t have the adulation and public support that either Depp or Heard have - they’re at a distance and so they’re easier to speak of in abstract terms, precisely because we don’t know them. Closer to home it’s a different story where the victim will often lie to protect their abuser for many different reasons, often the biggest one being that while they’re a wife beater, they also provide security - it’s a better the devil you know situation.

ohnonotgmail

Deleted User wrote: »

It's not a scientific theory, i don't think there can possibly be any study of 99.9% of all men in the world.

Just because it hasn't been peer reviewed and published in academic journals doesn't necessarily mean it's "complete bullsh*t" though. It's a finger in the air, an opinion, subjective. Everyone's entitled to their opinions.

so it is a nonsense number you just pulled from somewhere?

Kaybaykwah

Wibbs wrote: »

For a start she couldn't divorce him, because she wasn't married to him. She did give him the flick alright, most obviously because he went off with and left her for a woman half his age. He was on the gargle and the rest for donkey's years and before they met and she was still with him and even after they split was keen to back him up on the non wife abuser stuff. As were his other exes like Winona Ryder. Even with the #metoo movement in full swing with lots of skeletons being dragged from closets especially from the 90's and many of those doing the dragging knew Depp, but nada.

Do I think Depp is an alco with drug and ego problems? 100% yes. Do I think he's not the sharpest tool in the shed? Most certainly. Do I think he was an abuser of women before Heard? I honestly doubt it. Do I think he abused Heard? Very likely. Do I think she abused him? Very likely. Hell, she directly admitted it. IMHO there was a pair of them in it, who for various reasons* enabled really stupid and ugly behaviour in each other. That would my albeit personal take anyway.

He stupidly(back to not sharpest tool in the shed) took it to court, in a current climate of #metoo and the like when even hints about men are believed far more than hints about women. He could have just let it lie, let his PR crowd release "exclusive leaks" from Paradis and Ryder and ride it out with a no comment and a sad shake of the head at Heard's accusations. Throw in a few "I truly wish her well" with a sad resolve. But ego and lawyers sniffing money got in the way.



*Him: midlife crisis. Alco and druggie. Has what should have been a fling with young starlet on set. Thought oh god, I'm old, better get in a last hurrah(Jagger: Hold my beer). He pursues for more and finds the reality doesn't match up. When he's sober enough to see reality.

Her: Has what should have been a fling with elder statesman star on set. Thinks OK, it is what it is. He pursues, she thinks maybe and maybe it's good for my career. The reality of a drunken sot who's not the sharpest really doesn't match up to the fantasy, but the cash and attention takes some of the pain away.

Both: comes out in frustration and aggression towards each other from both making a dumb fling into a dumber relationship. Add in vast sums of money that keeps the yes people yessing throughout. Until they stop and try to milk it another way.

Result: He's in the wilderness, but might come back with some rehabilitation(and he got paid in full for the part he was "asked to leave"). She's got one franchise part, but I can see her being otherwise toxic to casting agents. Dumb all over the place from start to finish.

Yes, not the sharpest tack. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he does a Mickey Rourke number on us. He would likely do some boxing and come back to acting with a more shattered intellect, a weirder moonface, and wearing tights and man bras to the red carpet.

BattleCorp

Kaybaykwah wrote: »

Yes, not the sharpest tack. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he does a Mickey Rourke number on us. He would likely do some boxing and come back to acting with a more shattered intellect, a weirder moonface, and wearing tights and man bras to the red carpet.

He's a weed of a yoke. He wouldn't beat the skin off a custard.

Off to rehab for Johnny.......and then slowly make a comeback............that's if he doesn't fall off the cliff in the meantime.

Kaybaykwah

BattleCorp wrote: »

He's a weed of a yoke. He wouldn't beat the skin off a custard.

Off to rehab for Johnny.......and then slowly make a comeback............that's if he doesn't fall off the cliff in the meantime.

In the meantime, he fancies himself a Keith Richard surrogate, but he has way many more needles to go to reach that status. Lol.

Porklife

I don't think he'll succumb to rehab, it goes against his style and he probably thinks his idol Hunter S would never have gone to rehab.
If anything I think he'll go the opposite way and his boozing and drug use will amplify after this.
I also think rehab might come across as an admission of guilt and he wouldn't want to admit defeat.
Regardless of what happened between himself and Amber Heard, I hope we don't lose another talented actor to an addiction induced death.
I hope the pair of them move on and find peace because they don't strike me as happy people despite all their money and fame.
You can't put a price on dignity folks.

Wibbs

Kaybaykwah wrote: »

In the meantime, he fancies himself a Keith Richard surrogate, but he has way many more needles to go to reach that status. Lol.

Well that's the thing K, Keith was much more about the legend than the truth. Save for a foray down heroin road in the 70's he has always paced himself. He says this himself. He got to a certain point of elegantly wasted but still reasoning and rarely overdid it. Merry, rather than off his head. Then he threw in a bit of an act on top to push the legend. Strong constitution to be sure, bit of a pisshead alright, drop down off his face drunkard for 50 years not nearly so much. His bandmate Brian Jones dying in a pool in the 60's likely made him think eh... no. That and seeing others die around him.

And note he never did anything like Depp. Kept things pretty private and above board for the most part. Then again you could get away with a lot more in his day* and behind all the facade thick he isn't. Depp in interview always came across to me as a nice kinda chap, but simple. Not a deep intellect going on, so burning braincells when you don't have the extra capacity to waste probably not a good plan.



*consider his bandmate Jagger and people like Bowie and Jimmy Page who were having sex with underage girls during the 70's. 30 odd year old men with girls literally half their age... And it didn't come back to bite them. Though my take on that is certain "stars" can get away with more. Rock and Roll types in particular. Film stars no. For one the rock and roll types don't come across as hypocrites. They don't promote themselves as upholders of "conservative family values" and virtue signalling(well they didn't in the past) so not a shock. Hollywood types on the other hand...

Wibbs

Porklife wrote: »

I don't think he'll succumb to rehab, it goes against his style and he probably thinks his idol Hunter S would never have gone to rehab.

Yeah he blew his brains out. Great writer, thundering gobsh1te and fantasist at times with it. But Depp seemed to idolise him. Hopefully not too much.

Porklife

Wibbs wrote: »

Yeah he blew his brains out. Great writer, thundering gobsh1te and fantasist at times with it. But Depp seemed to idolise him. Hopefully not too much.

Shocking way to go and I read he phoned his wife as he pulled the trigger. Great writer though as you say. I think people sometimes romanticize addiction or at least alcoholism, I've been guilty of it myself at times. I can picture Depp swaning around his mansion in a Hefner style dressing gown quaffing red wine waxing lyrical about the beetnik generation. He probably feels sophisticated but in actuality is an absolute mess! Can you imagine being a fly on the wall for a few of their fights? I doubt either one would come out covered in glory.
Its funny as well how some people just ignite each other the wrong way. I reckon that happened with them which is why comparing their past relationships is a bit moot.
It's like a crime of passion, somebody flips and murders someone in a fit of rage. Just because they haven't done it before doesn't mean they didn't do it this time...if that makes sense.. it did in my head:p

Kaybaykwah

Wibbs wrote: »

Well that's the thing K, Keith was much more about the legend than the truth. Save for a foray down heroin road in the 70's he has always paced himself. He says this himself. He got to a certain point of elegantly wasted but still reasoning and rarely overdid it. Merry, rather than off his head. Then he threw in a bit of an act on top to push the legend. Strong constitution to be sure, bit of a pisshead alright, drop down off his face drunkard for 50 years not nearly so much. His bandmate Brian Jones dying in a pool in the 60's likely made him think eh... no. That and seeing others die around him.

And note he never did anything like Depp. Kept things pretty private and above board for the most part. Then again you could get away with a lot more in his day* and behind all the facade thick he isn't. Depp in interview always came across to me as a nice kinda chap, but simple. Not a deep intellect going on, so burning braincells when you don't have the extra capacity to waste probably not a good plan.



*consider his bandmate Jagger and people like Bowie and Jimmy Page who were having sex with underage girls during the 70's. 30 odd year old men with girls literally half their age... And it didn't come back to bite them. Though my take on that is certain "stars" can get away with more. Rock and Roll types in particular. Film stars no. For one the rock and roll types don't come across as hypocrites. They don't promote themselves as upholders of "conservative family values" and virtue signalling(well they didn't in the past) so not a shock. Hollywood types on the other hand...

Yes, I think that what differentiates the rock players from your actors is that acting a hero or anti-hero is a temporary posture for an actor, but it tends to stick to their off stage persona in uncouth ways, for some of them.

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iptba wrote: »

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It might not be successful though. She’s pretty shameless to be touting herself like that but there’s no indication it will be a success.

A self confessed domestic abuser is now giving talks because the man she was abusing decided to hit back. So 2020.

It seems she has a history of abusing too but he didn't.