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Thinking of Voting Sinn Fein - Should I?

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    #242
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,800 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Sleety_Rain wrote: »
    The merry go around will be a FF led government , the party who destroyed this country

    SF cannot win this election.

    Why vote SF and put mehole in
    Desperation if you're going down that route. Would you prefer to have just FF/FG on the ticket?


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    #243
    GolfNut33
    Registered Users Posts: 352 ✭✭GolfNut33


    Got to laugh at all the FF/FG sockpuppets panicking because SF are topping the polls. Bringing out all the old chestnuts. (Not a SF voter BTW)


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    #244
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    baldbear wrote: »
    None of those parties had one of their politicians greet a Garda killer leaving prison. It sickens me the way Walsh and that gang were welcomed by their friends at Castlerea.

    One of those parties had two ministers step down over the treatment of a Garda and back several corrupted Garda commissioners that slurred and orchestra a campaign against a Garda.


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    #245
    olestoepoke
    Registered Users Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    GolfNut33 wrote: »
    Got to laugh at all the FF/FG sockpuppets panicking because SF are topping the polls. Bringing out all the old chestnuts. (Not a SF voter BTW)

    Wonderful to see.:D


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    #246
    Akrasia
    Registered Users Posts: 22,427 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Sleety_Rain wrote: »
    The merry go around will be a FF led government , the party who destroyed this country

    SF cannot win this election.

    Why vote SF and put mehole in
    Those arguments work for FPTP systems where you can waste your vote by picking a 3rd party candidate.

    We have a PRSTV voting system in multi seat constituencies . Vote for the candidates you want to represent you and let them argue over forming a coalition when the dust settles.


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    #247
    sky88
    Registered Users Posts: 8,689 ✭✭✭sky88


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    4 leading economists scoffed at FF/FG house building figures only last week. Are they any more credible.

    Before we even mention the dearest hospital on the planet, the dearest broadband which will be outta date by the time it's finished etc etc etc.

    Do you have reasons why sf are better??Not just ff/fg are bad too

    I don’t think ff/fg are by any means good actually finding it hard to find who to vote for any party


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    #248
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,800 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    sky88 wrote: »
    Do you have reasons why sf are better??Not just ff/fg are bad too

    I don’t think ff/fg are by any means good actually finding it hard to find who to vote for any party


    No. Just that Ive walked this planet for half a lifetime and seen first hand what FF/Fg have done to date.
    So I'm prepared to give SF a twist.


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    #249
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    Dont do it man. It really isnt a sensible play.
    Broadly, the candidates offered by all the parties are the same, so best not to get suckered in by a few slick talkers. SF are a hybrid mix of 32 county nuts who will stop at nothing to achieve that, and opportunists, tired of that game, looking for something else to keep the party machinery running post GFA, and so now siezing the ground vacated by Lab, who are still in the naught corner. They are really just exploiting the none-of-the-above tendency of the more simpleminded voters who at least appreciates the waste of their vote and independent would be. The 'change' or 'time to try something different' message being peddled by those who have never been in office is no reason to vote for them. SF offeres nothing. Vote for a real party.


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    #250
    anewme
    Registered Users Posts: 11,952 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    sky88 wrote: »
    Do you have reasons why sf are better??Not just ff/fg are bad too

    I don’t think ff/fg are by any means good actually finding it hard to find who to vote for any party

    I don't think you are the only one feeling like that.

    All crap.


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    #251
    skimpydoo
    Registered Users Posts: 4,928 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    People who are talking about SF and mentioning the damage the IRA have done, have very short memories. Look at the damage FF, FG, Greens and Labour have done to this country. Think about that before going on your SF rant. This is coming from someone who is not an SF supporter and who is seriously thinking of voting SF.


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    #252
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users Posts: 7,450 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    You would swear Ireland is some 3rd world ****hole of a country all of a sudden.


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    #253
    theguzman
    Registered Users Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭theguzman


    I'm a FG supporter but I'm voting no. 1 for SF now, I will give no. 2 to the FG candidate in the event that the SF candidate is eliminated as he is danger as FF are pushing hard for a second seat so I'm voting tactically to keep the FF lowlifes out. A monkey pressing random buttons would do a better job than Fianna Fail because he wouldn't be out to steal public funds and corruptly benefit his cronies in power.

    Only a right ape would vote for Fianna Fail after what they did to Ireland, I lived through 2009-2015 and I did not immigrate so I know what FF and their cohort of "independent" cronies like the Healy Raes are capable of.


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    #254
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users Posts: 17,853 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    olestoepoke wrote: »
    The scaremongering from FF and FG and their supporters is getting quite tiresome now. Reeks of desperation.
    just saw that posted under an article on the journal. Ffg governance has simply been totally unacceptable, for longer than I can remember. Those rats fear losing the gravy train , no wonder they are sweating.

    “Director of elections Paschal Donohoe said the party will be appealing to voters not to vote for change “for change’s sake”.

    And we vote for the status quo for who’s sake?”


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    #255
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    You would swear Ireland is some 3rd world ****hole of a country all of a sudden.

    It's really felt like we're declined in alot of key areas it the last year or two to be honest.


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    #256
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    skimpydoo wrote: »
    People who are talking about SF and mentioning the damage the IRA have done, have very short memories. Look at the damage FF, FG, Greens and Labour have done to this country. Think about that before going on your SF rant. This is coming from someone who is not an SF supporter and who is seriously thinking of voting SF.

    Trying to do something, and not achieving everything people desire is one view of damage. Murderous terrorism is quite another. FF/FG/GR/LAB are quite a gulf from SF in the character and mindset of the candidate they propose.


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    #257
    olestoepoke
    Registered Users Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    Dont do it man. It really isnt a sensible play.
    Broadly, the candidates offered by all the parties are the same, so best not to get suckered in by a few slick talkers. SF are a hybrid mix of 32 county nuts who will stop at nothing to achieve that, and opportunists, tired of that game, looking for something else to keep the party machinery running post GFA, and so now siezing the ground vacated by Lab, who are still in the naught corner. They are really just exploiting the none-of-the-above tendency of the more simpleminded voters who at least appreciates the waste of their vote and independent would be. The 'change' or 'time to try something different' message being peddled by those who have never been in office is no reason to vote for them. SF offeres nothing. Vote for a real party.

    Who then?


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    #258
    anewme
    Registered Users Posts: 11,952 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    olestoepoke wrote: »
    Who then?

    What if there is no one apart from Independents?


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    #259
    olestoepoke
    Registered Users Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    anewme wrote: »
    What if there is no one?

    There is always someone.


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    #260
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 14,312 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    olestoepoke wrote: »
    Who then?

    I presume he means FF or FG, I would imagine that's who the majority in Ireland will vote for as they don't trust the others for some reason. I'll vote Green no 1 but I'm just glad to see something different brewing.


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    #261
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users Posts: 17,853 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    Dont do it man. It really isnt a sensible play.
    Broadly, the candidates offered by all the parties are the same, so best not to get suckered in by a few slick talkers. SF are a hybrid mix of 32 county nuts who will stop at nothing to achieve that, and opportunists, tired of that game, looking for something else to keep the party machinery running post GFA, and so now siezing the ground vacated by Lab, who are still in the naught corner. They are really just exploiting the none-of-the-above tendency of the more simpleminded voters who at least appreciates the waste of their vote and independent would be. The 'change' or 'time to try something different' message being peddled by those who have never been in office is no reason to vote for them. SF offeres nothing. Vote for a real party.
    yes , but those two wasters have been decades in power , two booms and the place is a farce. Their glacial manner in which address everything, because they themselves aren’t effected is disgusting, no empathy. Get sf in , throw the rotten corrupt vermin out now. Not after another five years of inaction. Leo is three months away from his Taoiseachs pension , lets make sure he doesn’t get it !


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    #262
    anewme
    Registered Users Posts: 11,952 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    olestoepoke wrote: »
    There is always someone.

    No, there are severely limited options.


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    #263
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    olestoepoke wrote: »
    Who then?

    The most capable canditates on offer to you from FF/FG/Lab/GR. The party element doesnt matter. Just populate the paper with the above. After that, Independents, and then leave the SF ones blank.


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    #264
    olestoepoke
    Registered Users Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    The most capable canditates on offer to you from FF/FG/Lab/GR. The party element doesnt matter. Just populate the paper with the above. After that, Independents, and then leave the SF ones blank.

    No thanks


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    #265
    anewme
    Registered Users Posts: 11,952 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    The most capable canditates on offer to you from FF/FG/Lab/GR. The party element doesnt matter. Just populate the paper with the above. After that, Independents, and then leave the SF ones blank.

    The best local candidates is the only option irrespective of party.( we've never even heard of the SF person here so null points)


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    #266
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users Posts: 7,450 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    yes , but those two wasters have been decades in power , two booms and the place is a farce. Their glacial manner in which address everything, because they themselves aren’t effected is disgusting, no empathy. Get sf in , throw the rotten corrupt vermin out now. Not after another five years of inaction. Leo is three months away from his Taoiseachs pension , lets make sure he doesn’t get it !
    Jesus man 2 days ago you were voting FG, yesterday it was the greens, today its SF!!!

    Are you actually OK?

    Seriously WTF!!


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    #267
    anewme
    Registered Users Posts: 11,952 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Is it really lesser of evils time - with still limited to no choices?


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    #268
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    I presume he means FF or FG, I would imagine that's who the majority in Ireland will vote for as they don't trust the others for some reason. I'll vote Green no 1 but I'm just glad to see something different brewing.
    43% between them in the latest poll so no longer the majority, just the over 50s but they will vote in very high numbers!


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    #269
    olestoepoke
    Registered Users Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Jesus man 2 days ago you were voting FG, yesterday it was the greens, today its SF!!!

    Are you actually OK?

    Seriously WTF!!

    I think in American politics they call this flip flopping:D


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    #270
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    yes , but those two wasters have been decades in power , two booms and the place is a farce. Their glacial manner in which address everything, because they themselves aren’t effected is disgusting, no empathy. Get sf in , throw the rotten corrupt vermin out now. Not after another five years of inaction. Leo is three months away from his Taoiseachs pension , lets make sure he doesn’t get it !

    But you see, this is the kind of nonsense that has the Irish poorly governened. They vote poorly, and against their own interest, because they are distracted by the peripheral. Getting hung up on not voting for a party becuase of stuff like Verona Murphy, Swingate, or being photographed with Kylie, is being distracted by the totally irrelevant.
    Your opening statement may be true, or at least a perspective, but no point shooting yourself in the foot just because you stubbed your toe. Vote for the best on offer, not to exact revenge for past disappointments, only to make matters even worse. The Germans thought they would try the Nazis because at least the were a change from the old parties that had been in power through years of recession and hyperinflation. And it didnt turn out well to go for the 'at least theyre something different, give them a chance' option.


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    #271
    Trizo
    Registered Users Posts: 340 ✭✭Trizo


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Jesus man 2 days ago you were voting FG, yesterday it was the greens, today its SF!!!

    Are you actually OK?

    Seriously WTF!!

    Lot of people round these parts purporting not to support SF but I have my suspicions !

    Think for some they want to vote for the “winning side” so when the polls change so do their leanings.

    In a way I’m glad that there is some shake up, might make the established parties do more course would have preferred the shake up to come from one of the greens, labour or Soc dems


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