Will Kirby's 'Birdsong' chirp up and confess!

velo.2010

Yes, Carlton's favourite Dane looks to be caught up with Mr. Ferrari after an in-dept investigation by cycling's CADF (Cycling Anti Doping Foundation). Oh, and Alexey Lutsenko has been implicated as well.

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/jakob-fuglsang-allegedly-connected-to-banned-doping-doctor-ferrari/

Ferrari, for what its worth, released a statement denying the whole affair and stated that he had never ridden a scooter or bike (as in motor-pacing), hadn't been to Monaco in 12 years, and had no association with anyone from Astana for at least 10 years.

Never ending isn't it?

at1withmyself

velo.2010 wrote: »

Yes, Carlton's favourite Dane looks to be caught up with Mr. Ferrari after an in-dept investigation by cycling's CADF (Cycling Anti Doping Foundation). Oh, and Alexey Lutsenko has been implicated as well.

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/jakob-fuglsang-allegedly-connected-to-banned-doping-doctor-ferrari/

Ferrari, for what its worth, released a statement denying the whole affair and stated that he had never ridden a scooter or bike (as in motor-pacing), hadn't been to Monaco in 12 years, and had no association with anyone from Astana for at least 10 years.

Never ending isn't it?

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058050821/1/#post112427313

velo.2010

at1withmyself wrote: »

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058050821/1/#post112427313

Ah OK, I didn't even see that.

No response on that thread. Are people fed up of another doping story... I guess so.

Mods, feel free delete or combine, whichever is most appropriate.

velo.2010

Argh, I should have made the headline... Will Fuglsang sing like a bird?

1bryan

velo.2010 wrote: »

Ah OK, I didn't even see that.

No response on that thread. Are people fed up of another doping story... I guess so.

Mods, feel free delete or combine, whichever is most appropriate.

says it all really that people don't bat an eyelid when another 'story' comes along.

And honestly, I don't know why anyone would be surprised, especially with THAT team.

I lost interest in pro-cycling a few years back, after being borderline obsessed with it for most of my life, due to this crap.

Every once in a while cycling throws a big name to the lions to make it appear like they're making an effort to fight doping.

There's also the Stefan Denifl story doing the rounds at the moment, and I have to agree with every word he said. Why should he feel bad about what he did? That's where the sport is at. His only crime is being careless enough to get caught.

Macy0161

Personally, I am batting an eyelid, but would rather wait for more details. Especially given the source organisation of the leak and it's (current) relationship with the UCI.

There's obviously a different mindset from some pro cycling/ former pro cycling fans that differentiates them from other sports. Cycling gets hammered, yet last weekend was all NFL and Rugby, football managers can say in press conferences about pain killing injections, and the fans of those sports genuinely don't bat an eyelid. Ever.

I'd rather hear news of people being caught and punished but when you read the nonsense about Denise Betsema serving a ban in CX during the off season you have to wonder whats the point.

1bryan

Macy0161 wrote: »

Personally, I am batting an eyelid, but would rather wait for more details. Especially given the source organisation of the leak and it's (current) relationship with the UCI.

There's obviously a different mindset from some pro cycling/ former pro cycling fans that differentiates them from other sports. Cycling gets hammered, yet last weekend was all NFL and Rugby, football managers can say in press conferences about pain killing injections, and the fans of those sports genuinely don't bat an eyelid. Ever.

exactly. At least in cycling there's some level of acceptance that there'll always be someone chancing their arms.

But those other sports, pure as the driven snow, if their 'fans' are to be believed. And you're putting your life at risk if you dare to suggest otherwise.

CramCycle

Macy0161 wrote: »

Personally, I am batting an eyelid, but would rather wait for more details. Especially given the source organisation of the leak and it's (current) relationship with the UCI.

There's obviously a different mindset from some pro cycling/ former pro cycling fans that differentiates them from other sports. Cycling gets hammered, yet last weekend was all NFL and Rugby, football managers can say in press conferences about pain killing injections, and the fans of those sports genuinely don't bat an eyelid. Ever.

Out socialising and watching the rugby over the weekend and the guy beside me made a comment about one of the teams clearly doping. I had to laugh. Ireland only a recently had players running 100m sprints mid match at a pace that would be highly competitive in Amateur Athletics, but they are minimum twice the weight of those highly trained athletes. I accept doping in Rugby because I just don't think it can be played at that level without it unless they can institute a blanket ban and actually enforce it but it would also mean, every one from a certain age up would be out the door and there would be no one to play, at least the fans accept it. I was at a sports science conference years ago where the Chelsea team doctor was talking about blood bags to aid recovery, and bar me and a colleague, no one batted an eyelid. I don't really enjoy soccer anymore so no loss there. GAA, well, I have seen it myself and lets call a spade a spade, those body fat % on some intercounty players ain't from gym work alone. All this and doping in cycling still annoys the sh1t out of me, I'll still watch it like an addict but dear lord, it is annoying when every great win has a question mark hanging over it.

I'm largely ignorant when it comes to soccer and doping not a sport I've any interest in. What is their testing regime like? Rare you hear anything about someone testing positive. I'd imagine they'd be more on the recovery side of things than the performance enhancing side

CramCycle

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm largely ignorant when it comes to soccer and doping not a sport I've any interest in. What is their testing regime like? Rare you hear anything about someone testing positive. I'd imagine they'd be more on the recovery side of things than the performance enhancing side

A world cup winning team were involved in Operation Puerto if memory serves correctly, high up players have gotten wrapped for missing tests but it would appear, more than anything that it is simply not a highly tested sport rather than there isn't as much of it, here is a nice but harmless interview that the level of testing is highlighted: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/gyk8a3/an-ex-professional-soccer-player-explains-how-easy-it-is-to-dope

There is one world famous player whose topless photos, age etc. would strongly imply HGH and other issues but that isn't a fair way to catch someone, they will simply get away with it because no one will ever test them

Macy0161

I'm essentially able to park my doubts over all professional sport, in the moment. I sometimes watch the 90's stuff on youtube, and despite everything, I still get a buzz and it's still great racing!

Deleted User wrote: »

What is their testing regime like? Rare you hear anything about someone testing positive. I'd imagine they'd be more on the recovery side of things than the performance enhancing side

Testing regime is laughable.

Recovery yes, but also the style of play nowadays is pretty much all about aerobic fitness. If only there was a drug that would aid recovery and increase aerobic capacity, eh? But there's not even a question about shots for recovery/ injuries.

Teams these days are generally picking their best teams, week in week out - back in the 90's, teams felt they had to rotate, but now despite the higher fitness requirements, they're able to play every week (despite the moaning).

People (rightly) point to rugby, but there's been a massive overall change in physique and athletic ability in football. And even if it is ultimately a game of skill, being fresher/ less tired, helps that skill level.

This in a sport where Fuglsang's annual salary would not be a month for even mediocre top level footballers.

CramCycle wrote:

There is one world famous player whose topless photos, age etc. would strongly imply HGH and other issues but that isn't a fair way to catch someone, they will simply get away with it because no one will ever test them

Lest we forget that it's totally out in the open that his main rival has used HGH. It was ok though, it was because he was small...

CramCycle

Macy0161 wrote: »

Lest we forget that it's totally out in the open that his main rival has used HGH. It was ok though, it was because he was small...

Is 184cm short, asking for a friend :eek:

Macy0161

My reading of the cadf response is they got the report/ intelligence, investigated, and found nothing. Awful if it is false, given the mud will stick.

Chips Lovell

Reading between the lines, it sounds like CADF decided there was insufficient evidence to proceed but someone there disagreed with that decision and decided to leak it to the press.

Macy0161

Chips Lovell wrote: »

Reading between the lines, it sounds like CADF decided there was insufficient evidence to proceed but someone there disagreed with that decision and decided to leak it to the press.

Or the UCI are stopping using CADF, to the ITA, and someone is disgruntled and wants to damage cycling. That's my take anyway, Fulgsang is just caught in the cross fire, and Astana obviously a very easy target.

Weepsie

Macy0161 wrote: »

Lest we forget that it's totally out in the open that his main rival has used HGH. It was ok though, it was because he was small...

That's taking it completely out of context though. It's something that can, and is prescribed to kida at the age he was to aid growth.

The only insidious thing about it is his privileged position allowed him to get it ahead of thousands of other equally deserving kids

1bryan

Chips Lovell wrote: »

Reading between the lines, it sounds like CADF decided there was insufficient evidence to proceed but someone there disagreed with that decision and decided to leak it to the press.

kinda like what happened with Lance, no?

sadly, leaks and whistleblowing are the only way anyone gets caught these days.

lissard

Secret Pro has an interesting and completely unequivocal take on this. The two cyclists named had quite a jump in performance last season.

https://cyclingtips.com/2020/02/the-secret-pro-never-buy-a-ferrari/