Could Sinn Fein actually run a country ?

weldoninhio

pjohnson wrote: »

Cant be worse than FG tbf.

What a ridiculous statement. You'd swear Ireland was on its last legs

JohnnyFlash

They are promising the sun, the moon, and the stars, and this change thing people are so keen on. Yet if they got into power then they’d be faced with the realities of government - budgets, the national debt, people living longer and putting a strain on the health and welfare systems, the worldwide move towards people living in large cities, unions, EU directives, recessions etc.

Easy promise everything when you don’t have to implement it. That’s why the nihilist in me would like to see themselves and FF in power.

Uriel.

Yurt! wrote: »

What percentage of people in Ireland are spongers? We have close to full employment, and there is natural churn included in the unemployment figures - i.e. people that are moving from one job to another and spend a month or two on the scratch.

The long term unemployed are not the problem with how the country are governed. I don't like that there are long-term unemployed, it's not desireable but you're overstating how many there are.

If your life isn't optimal, it's not because of Dessie and Charlene down in the flats.

What way are those on illness and disability treated with regard to unemployment figures?

Is junkie John Paul or Sharon six kids before 24 classed as disabled, ill, unavailable for work or unemployed?

weldoninhio

topmanamillion wrote: »

The money isn't there?
Pull the other one. The moneys there to turn down €12 billion from Apple. Along with tolerating the wastage in the top heavy managerial haven of a so called health service we have.

Ayone with 45 odd years of a working life has contributed enough in tax and pension contributions to be entitled to their pension.
Take it out of some where else. Plenty of other places but that's not as easy as pressing plus on a computer and upping the pension age.

Should be stickied at this stage.

APPLE. DO. NOT. OWE. IRELAND. €12BN. OR. ANYWHERE. NEAR. THAT.

It's European profits that the EU want Ireland to collect on their behalf.

Yurt2

Uriel. wrote: »

What way are those on illness and disability treated with regard to unemployment figures?

Is junkie John Paul or Sharon six kids before 24 classed as disabled, ill, unavailable for work or unemployed?

You tell me. How big is the problem? I don't buy that people on disability are why some of problems identified in this thread exist.

And I'm not speaking in favour of people being on disability when they shouldn't. If you think it's a major problem that's causing your quality of life to suffer, state the scale of it so we can take a look at it. Anything else is conjecture.

imme

No.

Sinn Fein will not be running the country any time soon.

SF cannot believe their luck.

They've been losing elections in the south for the past 2 years, local, European, presidential.

It is a protest vote. No one believes they are capable of running the country.

Bryan Dobson,'s interview with Mary Lou was instructive.

When asked about the UK annual subvention to run Northern Ireland Mary Lou said that the money spent on the army in NI wouldn't be necessary when it becomes a part of an 'unpartitioned' Ireland.

So, no army for the north of Ireland, you couldn't make it up.

SF isn't running enough candidates to ensure that they're going to have the largest number of TD's in the next Dail.
It is the Greens in the local elections all over again. Top the poll, massive surplus and no running late.
Clever politics or no faith in yourself, Mary Lou herself doesn't even have a running mate, in an enlarged constituency.

Uriel.

Yurt! wrote: »

You tell me. How big is the problem? I don't buy that people on disability are why some of problems identified exist.

Do you know the answer to the question or not?

weldoninhio

smelly sock wrote: »

FG/FF are the parties who have rewarded the dead beats amlnd lay abouts. They are the parties who have made the middle income subsidise these wasters and also bail out the banks. FF/FG have made it profitable not to work. FF destroyed our economy.

So to hell with them.

Time for change

You know that SF want to raise the dole by €42 a week

Blanco100

can someone explain this vienna housing model that O'Broin wants to see implemented?

smelly sock

weldoninhio wrote: »

You know that SF want to raise the dole by €42 a week

Its grand. Sure we have full employment.

JohnnyFlash

Blanco100 wrote: »

can someone explain this vienna housing model that O'Broin wants to see implemented?

SF are going to build houses for 65k a pop and retrofit old ones for 5k a pop. That’s how good they are with money.

smelly sock

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

SF are going to build houses for 65k a pop and retrofit old ones for 5k a pop. That’s how good they are with money.

Worth giving them a vote and seeing if they can do it.

Feisar

weldoninhio wrote: »

Should be stickied at this stage.

APPLE. DO. NOT. OWE. IRELAND. €12BN. OR. ANYWHERE. NEAR. THAT.

It's European profits that the EU want Ireland to collect on their behalf.

Ah but it goes so well when yer shouting for yer forever home!

Cina

pjohnson wrote: »

Cant be worse than FG tbf.

They could be far worse.

Seeing as After Hours is largely made up of posters in the "stretched middle" bracket who generally despise the crazy welfare state Ireland has become - I wonder how everyone here will feel when SF tax us even more to funnel even more funds into social welfare, pensions, and social housing?

Fine Gael are sh*te but anyone who thinks FF or SF will do a better job than them "just cause they can't be worse like" should give their head a wee wobble.

JohnnyFlash

smelly sock wrote: »

Worth giving them a vote and seeing if they can do it.

Build a house for 65k? Wanna buy some magic beans?

gmisk

Blanco100 wrote: »

can someone explain this vienna housing model that O'Broin wants to see implemented?

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/dublin-turns-to-vienna-for-affordable-housing-solution-1.3852436
Lots of articles on it, would take a long time to implement anything similar here.
George Clarke visited one outside Vienna, pretty amazing

smelly sock

Just waiting for the ira to be brought up.

Feisar

smelly sock wrote: »

And the ironic thing is that its the spongers from social economic deprived areas who will votes in SF. FF/FG are much more friendly to this crowd. They are doing really well in the current system. Biting the hand that feeds them.

Agreed however their sense of entitlement knows no bounds. No one will ever be able to appease them.

Yurt2

Blanco100 wrote: »

can someone explain this vienna housing model that O'Broin wants to see implemented?

To give you the executive summary, a Land Development Agency directs the construction of housing units,rent and the amortization of the property is based upon construction costs and maintenance instead of market rate.

Apollinaris

Rents, high wages and knees would be capped.

smelly sock

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Build a house for 65k? Wanna buy some magic beans?

Costed by the dept of finance.

Yurt2

Uriel. wrote: »

Do you know the answer to the question or not?

You're the one stating the problem. Put up the scale of it. Pure conjecture.

Feisar

Apollinaris wrote: »

Rents, high wages and knees would be capped.

Thanks for the wee titter!

topmanamillion

topmanamillion wrote: »

The North clearly isn't under their control. The budget is set by Westminster so that's where the power lies. Stormont is a glorified county council.

They control the council tax in Armagh and its the highest in the UK.

corner of hells

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Build a house for 65k? Wanna buy some magic beans?

Beans , you say.
And what colour are these "magic" beans ?

daheff

Yes....into the ground.

AudreyHepburn

The problem with Sinn Fein is they are saying what people want to hear but don’t seem to be giving any real thought to how achieve this so called change everyone’s bleating on about.

Abolishing taxes for all but the super rich won’t work folks, sorry but that’s the reality.

Where do you expect the money for all this change to come from? We all have to pay our way in life.

And can we all please stop pretending the county was some sort of paradise before FG took power. It wasn’t. Not at all.

FF ran the economy into the ground, FG pulled it back out again by making hard decisions that needed to be made.

The problems with the health system and homelessness are not new and not of FGs making and voting in a new government won’t make them magically disappear.

A little bit of logical thinking please.

spurious

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote:

I'm prepared to give SF a chance, and see what they can do. And screw all the snobs in this country, that look down their nose at them! (nice added bonus )

If it would kill them for good off as a party in Ireland this would almost be worth it. It wouldn't be too long before their ineptitude would show.

Jinglejangle69

smelly sock wrote: »

Costed by the dept of finance.

Yeah that's not entirely true.

All guess work on how the economy MIGHT do.

Even if it does keep doing well you can't just spend it all like SF want to.

Its dangerous and wreckless that all parties are allows use it.

JohnnyFlash

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Build a house for 65k? Wanna buy some magic beans?

Amazing the bargains you can get when you put a gun to someone's temple.