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Could Sinn Fein actually run a country ?

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    #632
    Edgware
    Registered Users Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    smurgen wrote: »
    So why wasn't the likes of Sean Fitzpatrick brought to the SCC? Why couldn't they catch him on a minor charge like tax?

    Seanie hasn't form for intimidation and kneecappings of witnesses


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    #633
    Gmol
    Registered Users Posts: 1,281 ✭✭✭Gmol


    friendlyfun wrote: »
    If only we had 13 billion euro laying around hmm.....

    To give to the EU?


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    #634
    sbsquarepants
    Registered Users Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    Edgware wrote: »
    Seanie hasn't form for intimidation and kneecappings of witnesses

    Neither did Nicky Kelly


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    #635
    Edgware
    Registered Users Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    sbsquarepants wrote: »
    Neither did Nicky Kelly
    Neither has Santa Claus


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    #636
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    FFS the indo really going after SF. They must be really concerned at this stage.

    Journos and FF/FG in bed together as usual.


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    #637
    sbsquarepants
    Registered Users Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    smelly sock wrote: »
    FFS the indo really going after SF. They must be really concerned at this stage.

    Journos and FF/FG in bed together as usual.

    At least RTE is unbiased:D


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    #638
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,971 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Yurt! wrote: »
    Not correct. There is provision in legislation for alleged offenses other than the original scheduled offenses that the court was ostensibly intended for (terrorism etc) to be directed to the jurisdiction of the SCC at the behest of the Attorney General. It's how the Murphy case ended up there, bog standard tax offenses. An abuse of process in many people's eyes.

    It's one of the major problems of the court IMO.

    Al Capone said the same thing when he got done on tax charges too.

    The Shlab was caught in the same way.


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    #639
    rafatoni
    Registered Users Posts: 469 ✭✭rafatoni


    smelly sock wrote: »
    FFS the indo really going after SF. They must be really concerned at this stage.

    Journos and FF/FG in bed together as usual.

    Has Maria Cahill been rolled out yet?


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    #640
    Jizique
    Registered Users Posts: 1,911 ✭✭✭Jizique


    rafatoni wrote: »
    Has Maria Cahill been rolled out yet?

    Just checked the app and she is top story!


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    #641
    rafatoni
    Registered Users Posts: 469 ✭✭rafatoni


    Jizique wrote: »
    Just checked the app and she is top story!

    I notice you can read these IRA articles this week no issue, normally you have to subscribe. It even says it on the page, lol.

    This is a premium article
    Premium articles will soon be available only to Independent.ie subscribers.


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    #642
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    rafatoni wrote: »
    Has Maria Cahill been rolled out yet?

    Yeh front and centre.

    Thankfully I'm not sure that the younger voters which the current issues mainly affect are buying it.


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    #643
    Jizique
    Registered Users Posts: 1,911 ✭✭✭Jizique


    rafatoni wrote: »
    I notice you can read these IRA articles this week no issue, normally you have to subscribe. It even says it on the page, lol.

    This is a premium article
    Premium articles will soon be available only to Independent.ie subscribers.

    And the Indo isn’t even owned by O’Brien (or O’Reilly) any more


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    #644
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    rafatoni wrote: »
    I notice you can read these IRA articles this week no issue, normally you have to subscribe. It even says it on the page, lol.

    This is a premium article
    Premium articles will soon be available only to Independent.ie subscribers.

    Just makes me want to Vote SF even more. Anyone but FFG tbh.


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    #645
    TuringBot47
    Registered Users Posts: 991 ✭✭✭TuringBot47


    sbsquarepants wrote: »
    Sure why would we need evidence, we all know he's guilty! :rolleyes:
    Process, burden of proof etc - These things only need apply to people we like!

    It correctly convicted the terrorist Martin McGuinness.
    He only got 6 months, very light sentence.

    BBC showed secret footage of him loading the bomb in the car a few months ago.


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    #646
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,668 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    TuringBot47 wrote: »
    It correctly convicted the terrorist Martin McGuinness.
    He only got 6 months, very light sentence.

    BBC showed secret footage of him loading the bomb in the car a few months ago.

    The guy whos dead and not a member of sf anymore ? Way to go in keeping relevant - not


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    #647
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    to anyone with strong reservations about SF i say this;

    If (when) they form part of the next government and they succeed, great! The country will see significant improvement on housing and social inequity etc.

    If (when) they form part of the next government and they don't succeed, it will put an end their professional opposition anti everything magic money tree politics for a while at least.

    win win.

    More thinking they'll open the doors for multi rather than two party debates elections going forward. Might even see a government without FF/FG one day. I hope they do very well.


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    #648
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    TuringBot47 wrote: »
    It correctly convicted the terrorist Martin McGuinness.
    He only got 6 months, very light sentence.

    BBC showed secret footage of him loading the bomb in the car a few months ago.

    Some would consider no more a terrorist than Collins or Dev.


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    #649
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Al Capone said the same thing when he got done on tax charges too.

    The Shlab was caught in the same way.

    Noonan pretended he was sorting it, after 9 years not paying that particular tax and Revenue starting an investigation ;)


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    #650
    bladespin
    Registered Users Posts: 7,358 ✭✭✭bladespin


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    to anyone with strong reservations about SF i say this;

    If (when) they form part of the next government and they succeed, great! The country will see significant improvement on housing and social inequity etc.

    If (when) they form part of the next government and they don't succeed, it will put an end their professional opposition anti everything magic money tree politics for a while at least.

    win win.

    Very much this, it's pretty obvious the 2 party system in not working at best, at worst it leads us from disaster to disaster, if all SF does is shake them up then great, we need them to be on their toes, not lounging in secure comfort.


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    nkl12xtw5goz70
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭nkl12xtw5goz70


    Maybe the only way to get the country over this infantile romance with Sinn Fein and the left is to vote them into power.

    Five years of chaos and broken election promises later, people might appreciate that perpetual hurlers on the ditch don't do well when forced onto the pitch.


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    #652
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,184 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    bladespin wrote: »
    Very much this, it's pretty obvious the 2 party system in not working at best, at worst it leads us from disaster to disaster..

    This ^ and hopefully this graph continues it's dive.

    501925.jpg


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    #653
    Yurt2
    Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Al Capone said the same thing when he got done on tax charges too.

    The Shlab was caught in the same way.

    I have no objection to Murphy or anyone else being brought before the courts for Revenue offences. But it does show how the SCC is being abused directing such offences before it.


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    #654
    TuringBot47
    Registered Users Posts: 991 ✭✭✭TuringBot47


    maccored wrote: »
    The guy whos dead and not a member of sf anymore ? Way to go in keeping relevant - not

    Of course it's relevant.
    Adams "allegedly" the head of the IRA ordering attacks and covering up paedo family members and McGuinness planting bombs.
    That's the party that's supposed to be representing the people.
    They just brought in a few female candidates in an attempt to "rebrand" Sinn Fein.


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    #655
    quokula
    Registered Users Posts: 3,643 ✭✭✭quokula


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    to anyone with strong reservations about SF i say this;

    If (when) they form part of the next government and they succeed, great! The country will see significant improvement on housing and social inequity etc.

    If (when) they form part of the next government and they don't succeed, it will put an end their professional opposition anti everything magic money tree politics for a while at least.

    win win.

    Not really win win for all the people who lose their jobs, the infrastructure and public services that fall behind, the companies who leave to never come back, the inevitable brain drain of emigration that will take years to recover from, the climate crisis they seemingly want to exacerbate, or our standing with international partners who respect our generally pragmatic politics while our neighbours have descended into farce.


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    #656
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Marc Wailing Wimp wrote: »
    Maybe the only way to get the country over this infantile romance with Sinn Fein and the left is to vote them into power.

    Five years of chaos and broken election promises later, people might appreciate that perpetual hurlers on the ditch don't do well when forced onto the pitch.

    Romance? Do you not follow politics? Decades of FF/FG driven government and SF come top in a poll for the first time since the 1930's, (if they had polls) and you're shoveling this sh*te? Give over.


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    #657
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,668 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    TuringBot47 wrote: »
    Of course it's relevant.
    Adams "allegedly" the head of the IRA ordering attacks and covering up paedo family members and McGuinness planting bombs.
    That's the party that's supposed to be representing the people.
    They just brought in a few female candidates in an attempt to "rebrand" Sinn Fein.

    So as i said, nothing whatsoever to do with anything then. The desperation stinks.


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    #658
    Field east
    Registered Users Posts: 2,637 ✭✭✭Field east


    For Forks Sake wrote: »
    This eejit for one : https://twitter.com/KarlBrophy/status/1224651273607307265?s=19

    :rolleyes:

    He is looking for someone to give a kicking to he is so excited


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    #659
    bladespin
    Registered Users Posts: 7,358 ✭✭✭bladespin


    Marc Wailing Wimp wrote: »
    Maybe the only way to get the country over this infantile romance with Sinn Fein and the left is to vote them into power.
    Think you have that completely arse over head, the silly romance with with FG/FF.
    Marc Wailing Wimp wrote: »
    Five years of chaos and broken election promises later, people might appreciate that perpetual hurlers on the ditch don't do well when forced onto the pitch.
    Both FF and FG have brought decades of of chaos and broken election promises, if the worst SF do is 5 years then they'll have let us all off very lightly in comparison.

    And I'm about as Anti SF an you can get.


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    #660
    bladespin
    Registered Users Posts: 7,358 ✭✭✭bladespin


    quokula wrote: »
    Not really win win for all the people who lose their jobs, the infrastructure and public services that fall behind, the companies who leave to never come back, the inevitable brain drain of emigration that will take years to recover from, the climate crisis they seemingly want to exacerbate, or our standing with international partners who respect our generally pragmatic politics while our neighbours have descended into farce.

    Haven't FG and in particular FF both achieved this many times already???

    Not buying the SF spin but lets be honest here, we can't hold the other clowns up as beacons of good leadership.


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    #661
    quokula
    Registered Users Posts: 3,643 ✭✭✭quokula


    bladespin wrote: »
    Very much this, it's pretty obvious the 2 party system in not working at best, at worst it leads us from disaster to disaster, if all SF does is shake them up then great, we need them to be on their toes, not lounging in secure comfort.

    We don't have a 2 party system, we have multiple parties covering a wide range of opinions and positions, and an electoral system that allows us to vote for any of them without worrying about wasting our votes. This has regularly produced coalition governments of multiple different parties who represent the view of the voters at that time.

    Two parties tend to get more votes than the rest because they have for the most part done a pretty decent job over the years in turning Ireland into one of the best places in the world to live by most metrics, even if it is far from perfect, as nowhere is. But there is absolutely nothing systemic stopping people from choosing different representation if they so wish.


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