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Could Sinn Fein actually run a country ?
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Hold on there. I dont think anyone expected any government to do a 100% perfect job of delivering their program for government.
Can you honestly say that FG has even delivered 50%?
I couldnt, in fact I would argue it was not even 30%.
tell me one service that has been fixed in this country, just one out of the dozens possible?
Cant do that, so lets make it even easier. Name one service that has significantly improved?
Likewise FF have done the same thing time and time again.
Its not as if they dont know the result of doing something or not doing something that they have done before.
A government cant use the line that was not in the script so we are not responsible.
If that was case why not have a vote every four year for a program for government, and then let the civil servants just get on with it and deliver it and not have any government at all.
Governments are elected to handle the unexpected, to use best advice when given by the appropriate experts, and to change policies on the fly if what they planned is not having the intended effect. But primarily to actually make a genuine effort to deliver their program for government.
If you are suggesting that FF and FG are not capable of doing that then why are you supporting them?
I'm not voting either FF or FG number one. There are more than 3 parties in the country, and there are very legitimate left wing parties running in the election with serious manifestos.
I'm just pointing out that, unlike SF, the other parties actually have proposals that are achievable. And you seem to be contradicting yourself, simultaneously saying it's unacceptable for parties to change policies, and also saying that parties must change policies to deal with changes (which they do). Of course this is the perfect simplistic argument for SF to shout from the sidelines while never offering any solutions of their own.
As to the question of what has the current government achieved, this GDP graph sums it up, which has all been in spite of being the most exposed country to Brexit:
There are plenty of good jobs out there and plenty of people doing very well. It gives us a solid base to work on improving services, and I've seen lots of building going on where I am on both housing and road improvements so it's not like nothing is happening, though I'd like to see more of it which is why I'd look to parties like Labour or SD getting into coalition who would nudge us in the right direction without trashing the country.0 -
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Idbatterim, you're going to give yourself a seizure one of these days. You'll be found slumped over your laptop, with a thread about Margret Cash open on your browser. Is that how you want to go out?
you're probably right!
Im being serious though, many areas here are starved of funding or are black holes, like health, housing etc. Its not viable, just wait to see what starts happening over the next few years. My issue with Ca$h is, there is one area way too many resources are being directed at...
they dont tolerate her ilk in other countries welfare state, but we should?0 -
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Deleted User wrote: »its good when you put "near third world" at the start of the post, it saves time
Everything is grand. That's Ireland last week.
Crying won't help that boy ; all anyone can do is nvote for someone other than FG (which is a pity for me because in my area they are very good and I always give them a preference even if not a first preference).
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Hi This is a good article on Marginal Rate of Tax. Though a bit dated the gist is the same. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/marginal-50-tax-rate-for-those-earning-80-000-1.762798 Hope that helps,
Paywalled unfortunately
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Right click and open it in an incognito/private window.Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »Paywalled unfortunately0 -
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Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »Paywalled unfortunately
Here ya go
A SINGLE individual earning about €80,000 will have a marginal tax rate of 50% for 2009, when the provisions of the supplementary Budget comes into effect, the Dáil has heard.
Labour finance spokeswoman Joan Burton said the Minister for Finance had confirmed the tax rate figures in a parliamentary reply.
She said the 50 per cent tax rate “is a combination of income tax at 41%, income levy of 4% and health levy of 5%”.
An individual “earning €175,000 or more will have a marginal tax rate of 52% for 2009. This is income tax at 41%, income levy of 6% and health levy of 5%. When tax credits and so on are taken into account, an individual on €80,000 will have an effective average tax rate of 36%. These tax rates have not been seen since the early 1990s,” she said.
Ms Burton was speaking during the opening of the debate on the Finance Bill which gives effect to the provisions of the supplementary Budget. She said this era in Irish political life “will go down in Irish history as the crony capitalism period that destroyed much of the prosperity that had been built up during the Celtic tiger years”.
Ms Burton said “it is the ordinary family with two parents and two or three children and an income of €40,000 to €90,000 that is bearing the brunt of the Government’s mismanagement of the banking crisis.”
But introducing the legislation, Minister for Finance Brian Lenihan said Ireland’s tax system remains competitive and pro-enterprise despite recent increases. “Tax increases are required. They are not palatable, nor are they easy to accept, but the measures detailed in this Bill are progressive and fair,” he said.
He said “I do not for one minute underestimate the difficulties it is causing workers and their families. However our capacity to make these adjustments in labour costs and work practices is critical to our recovery. The sacrifices we make now will reap large economic gains in the near future.” He also renewed the Government’s commitment to the 12.5 per cent corporate tax rate, which he told the Dáil “is essential to economic recovery”.
The economy is expected to contract by 8 per cent this year, which a “more moderate decline” in 2010 “but as the international recovery gains momentum and the sharp shock in residential housing output passes through, our economic growth rate is expected to turn positive by 2011”.
He added that “though the challenges are great, we should not forget that our economy has many strengths on which to build a recovery”.
But Fine Gael finance spokesman Richard Bruton believed the Budget’s main measure – Nama – was a “time bomb”.
He asked “will it get credit going? Is this the least expensive way of doing so? If it does not work, will it be possible to pull out without incurring too much cost?” He said Ireland faced “frightening challenges” and unemployment could rise to more than 600,000 by the end of next year, but despite the prospect of another 300,000 people becoming unemployed the Finance Bill “offers no new initiative as to how we shall protect the employment that is now so vulnerable”.
The Government’s response in the Budget looked solely “at one narrow public finance problem, and addressed it in just one way, by hiking up taxes to fill the gap”, he said.
And GENERAL (U.S) explanation
The marginal tax rate is the rate of tax income earners incur on each additional dollar of income. As the marginal tax rate increases, the taxpayer ends up with less money per dollar earned than he or she had retained on previously earned dollars. Tax systems employing marginal tax rates apply different tax rates to different levels of income; as income rises, it is taxed at a higher rate. It is important to note, however, the income is not all taxed at one rate but rather many rates as it moves across the marginal tax rate schedule. The goal of the marginal rate is to place the burden of supporting the government on the shoulders of taxpayers more financially able to do so versus spreading the burden evenly to the detriment of taxpayers not able to afford anymore, while attempting to balance the problems of a straight progressive rate.0 -
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NovemberWren wrote: »I am fairly sure that this refers to the North Sinn Fein? i.e, the university education - funded by the British taxpayer?
You note SF want Britain completely removed from Ireland right?
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