Could Sinn Fein actually run a country ?

TuringBot47

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Just a question but when do you envisage SF getting a majority to enact all of their policies?

Ha haaaa, good one for both majority and enacting all their policies.

Edgware

bladespin wrote: »

There ya go: Latest Poll even RTE are saying it

"so far ahead" 2 % with a margin of error.
That type of thinking explains the rationale behind the Shinners economic policies allright

p.s. Is this the same R.T.E. that is anti S.F.

Plumbthedepths

TuringBot47 wrote: »

Ha haaaa, good one for both majority and enacting all their policies.

Well I'm only asking as there is posters here leading me to believe the socialist utopia is only a couple of days away. Impressive considering SF is only running 42 candidates and coalition has been a feature of Irish politics for years. No party gets to implement all their policies and that's assuming anyone will share office with them.

SAM SO NITE

Trump has been in charge of america and apart from being crass and upsetting feminists the country hasn't fallen apart.
And he has been quite peaceful recent Iran incident aside.


The reason i say this is that isn't it essentially the civil servants who run this place anyway. it doesn't matter what clowns you have in charge they can't ruin the whole country on their own.

Bar stool talk i know but i don't envisage they could be any worse that the rest.

A friend of mine who recently came back from Australia said " I left in 2010 amid a hospital trolley crisis and a housing crisis and I have returned a decade later to a hospital trolley crisis and a housing crisis"

Finty Lemon

tipptom wrote: »

If you are Irish you have a lot to thank Syrizia for.
The Greeks didn't have cowards like we had going into negotiations and the Greeks actually hammered out a good deal for their interest rate than the criminally punitive interest rate our crowd of cretins wer ealready letting them charge us.
We got our interest rate reduced because the Greeks had someone fighting for their people and many have come out since on the other side of these negotiations and said there was better deals for the Irish but they didn't ask for them.

I don't know, that seems like a wildly tangential retrofit there.

Why did the Greek people dump Syriza so spectacularly then?
My limited understanding is that once in power, they soon realized that the big promises were not deliverable. They then fell into a pattern of drip-feeding necessary adjustments instead of sorting the problem quickly. That failed to solve any issue and the Greek people had their eyes opened.

Irish people have Syriza to thank, for showing what populist socialism will do in an economic crisis- make it worse.

Maduro, Syriza and Sinn Fein. What a team

is_that_so

tipptom wrote: »

If you are Irish you have a lot to thank Syrizia for.
The Greeks didn't have cowards like we had going into negotiations and the Greeks actually hammered out a good deal for their interest rate than the criminally punitive interest rate our crowd of cretins wer ealready letting them charge us.
We got our interest rate reduced because the Greeks had someone fighting for their people and many have come out since on the other side of these negotiations and said there was better deals for the Irish but they didn't ask for them.

I do love this version of history. Are you writing a book of fairy tales? The Greeks were constantly down to the wire on financial tranches and continually frustrated the EU/ECB with their antics at every turn and at least one point were facing sovereign debt default. They had 13 austerity packages in 7 years to our one. As for our situation, well that came from being good girls and boys and taking the medicine. If the Greeks helped us in any way it was their carry on that hardened the stances of loan stakeholders.

Trizo

SAM SO NITE wrote: »

Trump has been in charge of america and apart from being crass and upsetting feminists the country hasn't fallen apart.
And he has been quite peaceful recent Iran incident aside.


The reason i say this is that isn't it essentially the civil servants who run this place anyway. it doesn't matter what clowns you have in charge they can't ruin the whole country on their own.

Bar stool talk i know but i don't envisage they could be any worse that the rest.

A friend of mine who recently came back from Australia said " I left in 2010 amid a hospital trolley crisis and a housing crisis and I have returned a decade later to a hospital trolley crisis and a housing crisis"

Its damage limitation with regard Trump , would agree with you on the "permanent government" btw

When your friend left in 2010 unemployment was as high as 15.8% when he returned we had full employment so not everything has stayed the same, several of my friends have returned in the last 3 years from Oz its great to have them back.

kmc25_1

I had a look at their manifesto on their website. They are giving billions to everyone. Health, housing, education, guards, pensions. Money flying around everywhere. And they are going to have a 3 billion surplus every year. Taking loads of people out of the tax net. I'd like to know which one of the hardy bucks "fully costed" those magic beans.

bladespin

Edgware wrote: »

"so far ahead" 2 % with a margin of error.
That type of thinking explains the rationale behind the Shinners economic policies allright

p.s. Is this the same R.T.E. that is anti S.F.

Yes, so far ahead: 2% up with a possibility of another 2.8% on that, nearly a 5% lead on the 'dominant' parties, that's miles ahead of where I would have thought to put them.

Are you sure you're not a SF??? If you're not amazed by that then I'd have to suggest you are, personally I can't believe it.

Yes the very same RTE that's anti SF, maybe they're just cya'ing, never know who the next minister for communications might be...

Plumbthedepths

is_that_so wrote: »

I do love this version of history. Are you writing a book of fairy tales? The Greeks were constantly down to the wire on financial tranches and continually frustrated the EU/ECB with their antics at every turn and at least one point were facing sovereign debt default. They had 13 austerity packages in 7 years to our one. As for our situation, well that came from being good girls and boys and taking the medicine. If the Greeks helped us in any way it was their carry on that hardened the stances of loan stakeholders.

The Greeks should never have been allowed into the Euro. Serious cooking of the books and the blind eye turned by those that should have never allowed membership of the currency.
Syriza didn't sign up for membership of the Euro. Greece was an economic basket case although a good customer of the French/German armaments industries even qualifying for very large loans to purchase said equipment.

Finty Lemon

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The Greeks should never have been allowed into the Euro. Serious cooking of the books and the blind eye turned by those that should have never allowed membership of the currency.
Syriza didn't sign up for membership of the Euro. Greece was an economic basket case although a good customer of the French/German armaments industries even qualifying for very large loans to purchase said equipment.

Whereas SF preferred to shop outside the EU for their armaments
1 Euro will get you 1.55 Libyan Dinar today

James Brown

Looks like whom ever forms the government we'll see a return to building social housing. Win for the tax payer.

Plumbthedepths

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Whereas SF preferred to shop outside the EU for their armaments
1 Euro will get you 1.55 Libyan Dinar today

Your answer to a genuine comment is adolescent idocy?
Go you.

Plumbthedepths

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Looks like whom ever forms the government we'll see a return to building social housing. Win for the tax payer.

Well FG's policy of let the market provide was beyond stupid.
Far better to spend the HAP money on assets.

handlemaster

tipptom wrote: »

If you are Irish you have a lot to thank Syrizia for.
The Greeks didn't have cowards like we had going into negotiations and the Greeks actually hammered out a good deal for their interest rate than the criminally punitive interest rate our crowd of cretins wer ealready letting them charge us.
We got our interest rate reduced because the Greeks had someone fighting for their people and many have come out since on the other side of these negotiations and said there was better deals for the Irish but they didn't ask for them.

Hows life going in Greece ? That just says it's all.

Finty Lemon

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Your answer to a genuine comment is adolescent idocy?
Go you.

I do apologize for any offence caused.

Indeed, I do agree there is a case for saying Greece's membership of EU was flawed from the start. But the root cause of those issues is perhaps instructive for the Irish electorate.

The problems in Greece were bloated public spending, erosion of the tax base but with anti-business taxation and labour measures to counter, a failure to deal with pensions spending, and importantly a lack of will to deal with the black economy. It was not EU membership what dunnit.

The SF agenda contains all of the elements that contributed to the Greek meltdown.

Syriza, while inheriting much of the problem, also perpetuated it because it was hamstrung by its ideology. We never hear about them anymore because they failed.

mloc123

How did they price up their manifesto? They say they will build 100,000 houses and the cost budgeted is 6.7B... 67k per house, is it possible to even buy the materials to build a house for that amount?

James Brown

Finty Lemon wrote: »

I do apologize for any offence caused.

Indeed, I do agree there is a case for saying Greece's membership of EU was flawed from the start. But the root cause of those issues is perhaps instructive for the Irish electorate.

The problems in Greece were bloated public spending, erosion of the tax base but with anti-business taxation and labour measures to counter, a failure to deal with pensions spending, and importantly a lack of will to deal with the black economy. It was not EU membership what dunnit.

The SF agenda contains all of the elements that contributed to the Greek meltdown.

Syriza, while inheriting much of the problem, also perpetuated it because it was hamstrung by its ideology. We never hear about them anymore because they failed.

Whereas we took a massive loan out, have generational debt and learned nothing. Our crises have been getting worse.

tdf7187

Could Zanu Fine Fail actually run a country??

The evidence strongly suggests NO.

Plumbthedepths

Finty Lemon wrote: »

I do apologize for any offence caused.

Indeed, I do agree there is a case for saying Greece's membership of EU was flawed from the start. But the root cause of those issues is perhaps instructive for the Irish electorate.

The problems in Greece were bloated public spending, erosion of the tax base but with anti-business taxation and labour measures to counter, a failure to deal with pensions spending, and importantly a lack of will to deal with the black economy. It was not EU membership what dunnit.

The SF agenda contains all of the elements that contributed to the Greek meltdown.

Syriza, while inheriting much of the problem, also perpetuated it because it was hamstrung by its ideology. We never hear about them anymore because they failed.

No offense taken by me at all, but if you wish to behave like a giggling juvenile so be it but don't expect me or anyone to take you seriously.

FrancieBrady

tdf7187 wrote: »

Could Zanu Fine Fail actually run a country??

The evidence strongly suggests NO.

The evidence also strongly says that FG can only 'run' a country until it's health minister so royally messes up he brings the whole thing crumbling down and has to be locked away for the duration of the campaign, so toxic is he.

If the Shinners mess up, so be it. They will only be joining a long list.

Edgware

bladespin wrote: »

Yes, so far ahead: 2% up with a possibility of another 2.8% on that, nearly a 5% lead on the 'dominant' parties, that's miles ahead of where I would have thought to put them.

Are you sure you're not a SF??? If you're not amazed by that then I'd have to suggest you are, personally I can't believe it.

Yes the very same RTE that's anti SF, maybe they're just cya'ing, never know who the next minister for communications might be...

GRASPING AT STRAWS 😀😀

freshpopcorn

mloc123 wrote: »

How did they price up their manifesto? They say they will build 100,000 houses and the cost budgeted is 6.7B... 67k per house, is it possible to even buy the materials to build a house for that amount?

I think Mary Lou's attitude was you've just got to have ambition.

pc7

Last 20 minutes on newstalk and the guest (didn’t catch his name) comparing SF to supporting hitler and anyone voting for them is complicit in murder! But is saying you can trust Michael Martin, unbelievable biased radio.

FrancieBrady

pc7 wrote: »

Last 20 minutes on newstalk and the guest (didn’t catch his name) comparing SF to supporting hitler and anyone voting for them is complicit in murder! But is saying you can trust Michael Martin, unbelievable biased radio.

Eoghan Harris.

buried

Eoghan Harris had a total freak attack on newstalk. Was hilarious to listen to it

rafatoni

pc7 wrote: »

Last 20 minutes on newstalk and the guest (didn’t catch his name) comparing SF to supporting hitler and anyone voting for them is complicit in murder! But is saying you can trust Michael Martin, unbelievable biased radio.

unreal stuff and he was on a rant gobbels would have been proud of. Madness.

Nobody falling for that head banger nonsense anymore.

Snickers Man

buried wrote: »

Eoghan Harris had a total freak attack on newstalk. Was hilarious to listen to it

What program was it? Have to listen to it on Podcast/playback.

Always find it hilarious when somebody who was once a member of a party with an armed and murderous paramilitary wing while it had an armed and murderous paramilitary wing gets all sniffy about people willing to give a chance to another party that kinda sorta still has an armed and murderous paramilitary wing.

Of course, as a squeaky clean peaceful constitutionalist I can look down with contempt on both.

FrancieBrady

buried wrote: »

Eoghan Harris had a total freak attack on newstalk. Was hilarious to listen to it

Harris, Michael McDowell and Mairead McGuinness have all invoked the Nazi's today.

pc7

Snickers Man wrote: »

What program was it? Have to listen to it on Podcast/playback

Ivan Yates, he just let him go on and on, it was nuts. Might give SF my number 2 preference just to wind up loons like him!