Could Sinn Fein actually run a country ?

pjohnson

boetstark wrote: »

University graduates that have an inflated option of their intelligence and value. Get off their lazy entitled assets and work to earn sufficient money to afford a property.
I moved here in 2001 and had difficulty affording a house. Three choices, get a better paid job, get a second job or leave. Nobody gave me stuff for less than market price.
SF party for the people that want everything but pay for nothing.

Or they emigrate. Leaving grumpy angry auld gits behind complaing about young'uns not being in Ireland to cover their pension.

smelly sock

pjohnson wrote: »

Or they emigrate. Leaving grumpy angry auld gits behind complaing about young'uns not being in Ireland to cover their pension.

If FF didnt rape the pension reserve fund that time they destroyed the economy that wouldnt be so much of an issue.

Plumbthedepths

boetstark wrote: »

University graduates that have an inflated option of their intelligence and value. Get off their lazy entitled assets and work to earn sufficient money to afford a property.
I moved here in 2001 and had difficulty affording a house. Three choices, get a better paid job, get a second job or leave. Nobody gave me stuff for less than market price.
SF party for the people that want everything but pay for nothing.

SF wants to build 100,000 social
Labour 80,000
FF 50,000
FG hard to know but looks like 60,000
I didn't mention smaller parties.
Just letting you know it ain't just SF promising social housing.
This country has a social housing policy dating back to the 1930's which has by and large served the people well until recently.

Plumbthedepths

smelly sock wrote: »

If FF didnt rape the pension reserve fund that time they destroyed the economy that wouldnt be so much of an issue.

FG did enormous damage to private pension funds against the advice of the Troika.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/government-defied-the-troika-with-pension-raid-26784791.html

Idbatterim

Originally Posted by boetstark View Post
University graduates that have an inflated option of their intelligence and value. Get off their lazy entitled assets and work to earn sufficient money to afford a property.
I moved here in 2001 and had difficulty affording a house. Three choices, get a better paid job, get a second job or leave. Nobody gave me stuff for less than market price.
SF party for the people that want everything but pay for nothing.

I am sure it was not that easy and you did have to work hard, but I am assuming purchase prices here are now more than double in 2001 and rental properties potentially three times as much!

plenty getting a lot for nothing, you are right there, but its not the college goers!

SafeSurfer

smelly sock wrote: »

I thought Doherty went well on the last word tonight against ODonoghue and McGrath.

This is what people should listen to and not the distractionary tactics of the blue shirt FG propaganda machine the indo.

So the biased, terrible, corrupt media is good when it portrays SF positively but bad when it portrays them negatively?

smelly sock

SafeSurfer wrote: »

So the biased, terrible, corrupt media is good when it portrays SF positively but bad when it portrays them negatively?

Doherty portrayed himself in a good light. Not Matt cooper.

boetstark

pjohnson wrote: »

Or they emigrate. Leaving grumpy angry auld gits behind complaing about young'uns not being in Ireland to cover their pension.

Not old or auld, and thankfully Ireland has been good to us and I can look forward to a defined benefit pension. Everything I have or hopefully will have has been earned. As it should be.

TuringBot47

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

FG did enormous damage to private pension funds against the advice of the Troika.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/government-defied-the-troika-with-pension-raid-26784791.html

"Enormous damage" ? :rolleyes:
It was a 0.6% levy.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/financial-services/pension-levy-on-private-sector-not-always-fair-1.2083131

Masteryos

boetstark wrote: »

University graduates that have an inflated option of their intelligence and value. Get off their lazy entitled assets and work to earn sufficient money to afford a property.
I moved here in 2001 and had difficulty affording a house. Three choices, get a better paid job, get a second job or leave. Nobody gave me stuff for less than market price.
SF party for the people that want everything but pay for nothing.

It's pretty sad that there are actual people out there with these opinions and actually feel comfortable enough to say them out loud. There are plenty of people who work hard and play by the rules and are still finding themselves less well off than they would be if they were born 20 years earlier.

Comments like these are from the exact type of people who have what they want and don't care about anyone else since they will always find a way to say they were hard done by.

marieholmfan

Section 31. Totally political.
Michael Smurfit killing Dennis O'Brien's aunt.
Joe McAnthony having to emigrate.

The exposè of Goldenbridge in 1995!!!!
1995!

We have never ever had a free press.

tipptom wrote: »

So you are happy to live in a country that does not have a free and fair press and will go to any lengths to subvert democracy for FF/FG?

Do you know that this is why there has been such a spike in the polls for SF in this election because people realise that the media are trying to stop them from voting for one party?

What went on in the last few days and particulary today is a dark stain on the media of this country and relegates us to Russian or South America proportions when the press try to rig the game with their enormous power.

The media are the "dangerous and subversive" ones in this election to a bigger extent than the last few elections.

Strumms

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If the Shinners mess up, so be it. They will only be joining a long list.

It’s ‘how’ they might mess up that might cause people to worry...

They are also a party adept at talking out of both sides of their mouths........

While in one breadth pledging to reopen Garda stations and extending operations in others...



May ‘18... Pat Buckley TD, arrested for public order offenses, abusing Gardai... subsequently told to apologize.

November ‘18... Son of Angus O’Snodaigh, arrested and convicted of assaulting Gardai,

his wife and sister n law were arrested in separate incidents in 2004 where Gardai were verbally abused and a pint glass was thrown at the window of a Garda car.

Classy folks.

Plumbthedepths

TuringBot47 wrote: »

"Enormous damage" ? :rolleyes:
It was a 0.6% levy.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/financial-services/pension-levy-on-private-sector-not-always-fair-1.2083131

Read the article you linked, over 2 billion stolen from private pension funds. Reduced pensions for those in receipt of something they paid into their working lives. Yes if you have an ounce of cop on you would realise the damage that a government can do by raiding private pension funds, not alone just in terms of the money taken but also confidence.

tdf7187

'Tis interesting. I can understand the likes of O'Brien being scared s.hitless at the prospect of SF being in power , as they might actually instruct the cops to conduct a proper, gloves-off investigation into him, but the rest of the media going along with the agenda while pretending to be against plutocrat domination of media ownership is quite a sight to behold.

McMurphy

Strumms wrote: »

It’s ‘how’ they might mess up that might cause people to worry...

They are also a party adept at talking out of both sides of their mouths........

While in one breadth pledging to reopen Garda stations and extending operations in others...



May ‘18... Pat Buckley TD, arrested for public order offenses, abusing Gardai... subsequently told to apologize.

November ‘18... Son of Angus O’Snodaigh, arrested and convicted of assaulting Gardai,

his wife and sister n law were arrested in separate incidents in 2004 where Gardai were verbally abused and a pint glass was thrown at the window of a Garda car.

Classy folks.

Almost as bad as a govt TD using a broken pint glass to glass a member of his own electorate.

If the wife and sis in law are elected to govt - I'll be the first poster giving out about them.

Classy folks indeed.

Larbre34

Leaving aside the historical Provo connections and all the Paul Quinn type stories and the non-transparent party management and all the bullying and harassment and intimidation incidents at local level, it all comes down to this...

Sinn Féin are populist, socialist and eurosceptic. They are socially conservative and economically naive. Its not unlike the Irish to enjoy a good election, theres a whif of cordite and a scent of blood in the water that gets the pulses racing and an untypical urge to sling the current lot out and make a change for change's sake.

But, when your typical Irish centrist, a blueshirt or a Dick Spring champagne socialist, gets that ballot paper into their hand and its just them, a plastic booth and a pencil on a string, their hands get a bit clammy and their sphincter tightens and the doubt creeps in. 'What will this do for my income, my standard of living, my kids' futures, my small business, my investments...?'

Yes Ireland has a housing crisis and a rudderless health service and crap public transport other bits and pieces. But, even if 10,000 or 20,000 or even 50,000 are homeless or in sub standard accommodation, 4,950,000 odd are not. 1 in 2 have private health insurance and median household incomes are at about €50k. The 'I'm alright Jacks' outnumber the have-nots considerably, and that matters.

Sinn Féin will not exceed 25 seats when all is said and done.

NIMAN

Fundamentally only running 42 candidates means they won't get the chance to run the country.
We have to assume not every single SF candidate will get in, so say they get 30 seats?

Still will be less than FF, FG.

Kermit.de.frog

smelly sock wrote: »

Doherty portrayed himself in a good light. Not Matt cooper.

How many college courses has Pearse Doherty attended and completed?

cosybeach

tipptom wrote: »

So you are happy to live in a country that does not have a free and fair press and will go to any lengths to subvert democracy for FF/FG?

Do you know that this is why there has been such a spike in the polls for SF in this election because people realise that the media are trying to stop them from voting for one party?

What went on in the last few days and particulary today is a dark stain on the media of this country and relegates us to Russian or South America proportions when the press try to rig the game with their enormous power.

The media are the "dangerous and subversive" ones in this election to a bigger extent than the last few elections.

I blame the media for not letting the Irish people know what a bunch of thugs will do to our democracy days before an election recent controversies give us only a snippet of what they stand for.
They have a track record in government in the NI if replicated here they will bunch the country in many ways.
In 2015 MLM called for a reduced sentence on Pierce Mc Cauley who beat his wife to 1 inch of her life I include the link below also states Martin Ferris collected the killers of det Mc Cabe from prison while saying their sentences where to light what a hypocrite.
I don’t want the SCC interfered with or removed by these gangsters
I do not want them in power until they are a respected political party run with democratic values
Open up the past stop hiding and excusing members who are still active.
MLM has accepted and hung on to the coat tails of their past.


https://www.thejournal.ie/pearse-mcauley-mcdonald-2483814-Dec2015/

If the media has said anything it shouldnt please let us know what that is....
or is the past so close to the current nobody should look or ask ah democracy our way

Yurt2

boetstark wrote: »

University graduates that have an inflated option of their intelligence and value. Get off their lazy entitled assets and work to earn sufficient money to afford a property.
I moved here in 2001 and had difficulty affording a house. Three choices, get a better paid job, get a second job or leave. Nobody gave me stuff for less than market price.
SF party for the people that want everything but pay for nothing.

Ah, another hard working clever clever boy who was 'never handed nuttin' evur'. Welcome to the party, there's grand little coterie of you here, you'll feel right at home. There's a punch bowl, a wine cooler, and even a room where you can hit a Margret Cash shaped piñata with a baseball bat. There used to be actual homeless people you could kick to death for fun, but the Gardai got involved so we had to stop it.

McMurphy

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

How many college courses has Pearse Doherty attended and completed?

I don't think he's as many as Simon Coveney has, but still.......

https://twitter.com/scrahallia/status/1225559093655588867?s=19

Yurt2

McMurphy wrote: »

I don't think he's as many as Simon Coveney has, but still.......

https://twitter.com/scrahallia/status/1225559093655588867?s=19

Funny that, I was aware that Simon Coveney was a college dropout, but people seem to care less as is well born (I don't think less of SC because of a lack of uni degree in any case). Pearse Doherty is clearly an intelligent man, you don't need a piece of paper to lead. Winston Churchill, Harry Truman, John Major and many others either never went to, or never completed college.

almostover

Larbre34 wrote: »

Leaving aside the historical Provo connections and all the Paul Quinn type stories and the non-transparent party management and all the bullying and harassment and intimidation incidents at local level, it all comes down to this...

Sinn Féin are populist, socialist and eurosceptic. They are socially conservative and economically naive. Its not unlike the Irish to enjoy a good election, theres a whif of cordite and a scent of blood in the water that gets the pulses racing and an untypical urge to sling the current lot out and make a change for change's sake.

But, when your typical Irish centrist, a blueshirt or a Dick Spring champagne socialist, gets that ballot paper into their hand and its just them, a plastic booth and a pencil on a string, their hands get a bit clammy and their sphincter tightens and the doubt creeps in. 'What will this do for my income, my standard of living, my kids' futures, my small business, my investments...?'

Yes Ireland has a housing crisis and a rudderless health service and crap public transport other bits and pieces. But, even if 10,000 or 20,000 or even 50,000 are homeless or in sub standard accommodation, 4,950,000 odd are not. 1 in 2 have private health insurance and median household incomes are at about €50k. The 'I'm alright Jacks' outnumber the have-nots considerably, and that matters.

Sinn Féin will not exceed 25 seats when all is said and done.

Common sense will prevail hopefully and we will end up with a rainbow coalition of FF/FG & Labour & Greens & Soc Dems. It would sicken me to my stomach to see SF in government. I'm hoping Micheal Martin will put the country first before any ambitions he has of being taoiseach and find any alternative to a FF & SF coalition.

McMurphy

almostover wrote: »

Common sense will prevail hopefully and we will end up with a rainbow coalition of FF/FG & Labour & Greens & Soc Dems. It would sicken me to my stomach to see SF in government. I'm hoping Micheal Martin will put the country first before any ambitions he has of being taoiseach and find any alternative to a FF & SF coalition.

Putting SF as the main opposition party?

I reckon they'd be happy enough with that scenario too.

almostover

McMurphy wrote: »

Putting SF as the main opposition party?

I reckon they'd be happy enough with that scenario too.

I agree, hurling from the ditch suits them. SF couldn't run a bath. Their performances in Stormont are a testament to that.

McMurphy

almostover wrote: »

I agree, hurling from the ditch suits them. SF couldn't run a bath. Their performances in Stormont are a testament to that.

With the state of our housing/rental market, the state of our health system, and th reappearance of food banks across the country, it is arguable If the lads who have been carving up things between them for the last 100 years can either.

But I repeat, the shinners as the main opposition party will terrify FFG, and suit the shinners too.

They're in a win win situation at the minute.

weldoninhio

smelly sock wrote: »

Rte currently doing a hatchet job over the quinn murder.

Nothing about FFG driving thousands to suicide and having no financial future.

Didnt Bertie make comments about Quinn being a criminal after the murder also.

Suicide rates are currently at their lowest in 20 years. Mental health and suicide should not be used as a political football.

Grab All Association

Peoples minds are made up, don’t think sulking on boards.ie and posting links and going on about the past is going to change the minds of voters who can’t afford to rent or buy, on waiting lists for health and housing. Some fun times ahead this Sunday.

Larbre34

McMurphy wrote: »

Putting SF as the main opposition party?

I reckon they'd be happy enough with that scenario too.

No. He meant either FF or FG. Whoever doesn't lead the coalition will be the main opposition.

Personally, I'm seeing FF, Greens, Lab, SDs and a few non-mental cases of independents for a total of 81 or 82.

It'll be tight, but the numbers don't add up any other way, except a reversing of confidence and supply with all independents jettisoned and FF leading a minority Govt with a C&S total of 96.

Larbre34

Grab All Association wrote: »

change the minds of voters who can’t afford to rent or buy, on waiting lists for health and housing

Maybe not. But the question is - how many voters is that?

With 42 candidates and a healthy transfer toxicity, SF still aren't getting more than 25. Even that would be an astonishing conversion rate for them.