Could Sinn Fein actually run a country ?

christy c

Yurt! wrote: »

Pearse Doherty is clearly an intelligent man

If that is the case, why is he backing the idiotic decision to reduce the pension age? Why was he cheerleading the clowns in Syriza?

facehugger99

McMurphy wrote: »

With the state of our housing/rental market, the state of our health system, and th reappearance of food banks across the country, it is arguable If the lads who have been carving up things between them for the last 100 years can either.
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Did you ever consider just leaving Ireland seeing as you seem to view it as such a shi;thole?

I'm sure there's some socialist utopia somewhere else you could settle.

ricero

I see the new dart project is to cost the government 600 million more than planned.

Yet Sinn Fein can't be trusted lol

Yurt2

Larbre34 wrote: »

Maybe not. But the question is - how many voters is that?

With 42 candidates and a healthy transfer toxicity, SF still aren't getting more than 25. Even that would be an astonishing conversion rate for them.

We've gone from one of the highest home ownership rates in Europe to below the European average and now heading towards a German percentage in time if current policies continue, except without the protections that renters have in Germany.

This is a gargantuan, and overwhelmingly negative social shift and there's no point in saying it's not there.

The health waiting lists speak for themselves.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/property-mortgages/home-ownership-decline-will-see-ireland-reach-german-levels-report-38290761.html

christy c

Also Pearse Doherty as director of elections is likely to have had a big say in the number of candidates they are running. If the polls are to be believed, this will result in SF leaving many seats after them.

But Pearse should be running the country!!!!

Field east

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The evidence also strongly says that FG can only 'run' a country until it's health minister so royally messes up he brings the whole thing crumbling down and has to be locked away for the duration of the campaign, so toxic is he.

If the Shinners mess up, so be it. They will only be joining a long list.

SF will not mess up in government as it will blame the minister for finance for not giving the ministries it will be in enough money to achieve its objectives.
Or it could pull the plug before it messes up if it sees a mess up situation coming down the track

FrancieBrady

McMurphy wrote: »

Putting SF as the main opposition party?

I reckon they'd be happy enough with that scenario too.

That would be a great result for them.
They are kinda in a no lose situation here if they increase their vote percentage and seats.

christy c wrote: »

Also Pearse Doherty as director of elections is likely to have had a big say in the number of candidates they are running. If the polls are to be believed, this will result in SF leaving many seats after them.

But Pearse should be running the country!!!!

Does the same apply to parties running too many candidates, so many in fact, they may end up getting NO seats in some constituencies?

As 'incompetencies' go and all that etc etc

is_that_so

ricero wrote: »

I see the new dart project is to cost the government 600 million more than planned.

Yet Sinn Fein can't be trusted lol

You might want to go and read why. Some very obvious reasoning beyond people can't count behind it.

smelly sock

NIMAN wrote: »

Fundamentally only running 42 candidates means they won't get the chance to run the country.
We have to assume not every single SF candidate will get in, so say they get 30 seats?

Still will be less than FF, FG.

FfG have said they wont go in together and Mickey Martin has said he wont do another confidence and supply. Hung Dail??

christy c

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Does the same apply to parties running too many candidates, so many in fact, they may end up getting NO seats in some constituencies?

As 'incompetencies' go and all that etc etc

Is voting in SF not supposed to be an improvement?

Any comment on the some of his economic policies? His support of Syriza for example? Wanting to reduce the pension age?

Tacitus Kilgore

Don't know where to post this but saw a right one last night on fb:



IRELAND FOR THE IRISH, vote Sinn Fein and get these imigrant lovin basterds out


:pac:

is_that_so

christy c wrote: »

Also Pearse Doherty as director of elections is likely to have had a big say in the number of candidates they are running. If the polls are to be believed, this will result in SF leaving many seats after them.

But Pearse should be running the country!!!!

The last real poll had SF losing nearly 100 seats in the locals and a 5% drop in support. The current supposed level of support only emerged in the last few weeks. On balance not worth the risk of adding more candidates and they cost money to support.

FrancieBrady

christy c wrote: »

Is voting in SF not supposed to be an improvement?

Any comment on the some of his economic policies? His support of Syriza for example? Wanting to reduce the pension age?

Avoid addressing the point I actually made.

If SF not running enough candidates is a reason to doubt competency...is the same true of a party that is running too many candidates resulting in getting NO seats at all in some constituencies?
Being humble about your chance versus having an overblown arrogant view of your chances?

Idbatterim

facehugger99 wrote: »

Did you ever consider just leaving Ireland seeing as you seem to view it as such a shi;thole?

I'm sure there's some socialist utopia somewhere else you could settle.

You need a socialist utopia now for somewhere that isn’t as ooorly run as this country ? What have those morons in power done here for the past two decades. Except throw as much as they can at wekfarevevery budget and we wonder why everything here is a farce !

Plumbthedepths

Larbre34 wrote: »

No. He meant either FF or FG. Whoever doesn't lead the coalition will be the main opposition.

Personally, I'm seeing FF, Greens, Lab, SDs and a few non-mental cases of independents for a total of 81 or 82.

It'll be tight, but the numbers don't add up any other way, except a reversing of confidence and supply with all independents jettisoned and FF leading a minority Govt with a C&S total of 96.

As for you first scenario it will be a mess that will have us voting again in 6 months. Your second is doomed for failure in less than a year.

is_that_so

smelly sock wrote: »

FfG have said they wont go in together and Mickey Martin has said he wont do another confidence and supply. Hung Dail??

What they say before and what they can do after are two totally different things. You certainly don't tell voters you're going to do the same deal again before they vote any more than a party commits to coalition before any votes are counted.

Idbatterim

ricero wrote: »

I see the new dart project is to cost the government 600 million more than planned.

Yet Sinn Fein can't be trusted lol

Where did you read this? Great , let’s delay it longer and wait for it to hit a billion

is_that_so

Idbatterim wrote: »

Where did you read this? Great , let’s delay it longer and wait for it to hit a billion

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/dart-expansion-project-set-to-cost-over-600m-more-than-estimate-1.4164672

McMurphy

Larbre34 wrote: »

No. He meant either FF or FG. Whoever doesn't lead the coalition will be the main opposition.

Personally, I'm seeing FF, Greens, Lab, SDs and a few non-mental cases of independents for a total of 81 or 82.

It'll be tight, but the numbers don't add up any other way, except a reversing of confidence and supply with all independents jettisoned and FF leading a minority Govt with a C&S total of 96.

And that's where my money is placed with Mr Power.

Plumbthedepths

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Don't know where to post this but saw a right one last night on fb:



IRELAND FOR THE IRISH, vote Sinn Fein and get these imigrant lovin basterds out


:pac:

Funny that I always thought SF were all for immigration.
FB however is a cess put.

Yurt2

christy c wrote: »

If that is the case, why is he backing the idiotic decision to reduce the pension age? Why was he cheerleading the clowns in Syriza?

Is this FG luvvie an idiot too? You can bet she's not the only blue that feels this way. I'm not making the case for a pension age reduction - but quit pretending that it's not an incredibly contentious issue.

Some people are so easily propaganized and will swallow it whole every time FG say 'that's just the way it is.' If that's the case we aught to get rid of governments altogether and let civil service mandarins run the country - because every time FG screw up, it happens to be 'just the way it is,' so what's the point in paying the oafs 100k a year to tell us they can't do anything? It's like the turning of the earth or change of seasons, always 'just the way it is.'

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/cork-fg-candidate-insists-she-has-backing-of-party-despite-pension-age-dispute-979966.html

spurious

I think we will be back at the polls again before Christmas.

McMurphy

facehugger99 wrote: »

Did you ever consider just leaving Ireland seeing as you seem to view it as such a shi;thole?

I'm sure there's some socialist utopia somewhere else you could settle.

I'm doing just fine thanks for the concern, we are homeowner professionals - but that doesn't and shouldn't stop mine or anyone elses observations about the state of things.

As I said in an alternative thread, I don't have a womb, and I'm hetrosexual, should I have not had an opinion or made any comments on abortion or gay marriage?

Tacitus Kilgore

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Funny that I always thought SF were all for immigration.
FB however is a cess put.

They are, but they're also still the "hardy" party, works quite well for them it seems.


There's something really warming about seeing a braindead racist voting against their own views :pac:


Edit - Tis a cesspit for sure, but an interesting insight into the minds of part of the electorate too (the noisy part)

is_that_so

spurious wrote: »

I think we will be back at the polls again before Christmas.

I'm hoping it will be at least 12 months. Reckon Brexit may play a part in that anyway.

is_that_so

Yurt! wrote: »

Is this FG luvvie an idiot too? You can bet she's not the only blue that feels this way. I'm not making the case for a pension age reduction - but quit pretending that it's not an incredibly contentious issue.

Some people are so easily propaganized and will swallow it whole every time FG say 'that's just the way it is.' If that's the case we aught to get rid of governments altogether and let civil service mandarins run the country - because every time FG screw up, it happens to be 'just the way it is,' so what's the point in paying the oafs 100k a year to tell us they can't do anything? It's like the turning of the earth or change of seasons, always 'just the way it is.'

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/cork-fg-candidate-insists-she-has-backing-of-party-despite-pension-age-dispute-979966.html

It's people possibly finding themselves forced onto some form of Jobseeker payment that is an issue and that none of those "mandarins" spotted the anomaly in advance.

christy c

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Avoid addressing the point I actually made.

If SF not running enough candidates is a reason to doubt competency...is the same true of a party that is running too many candidates resulting in getting NO seats at all in some constituencies?
Being humble about your chance versus having an overblown arrogant view of your chances?

I'm not avoiding the point. Probably the same for all parties. But are SF not supposed to be an improvement? Often when SF are criticised we get "FG did similar". I've a feeling if FG or FF did similar the usual folks would be creaming themselves with glee. (Not aimed at you).

Also any comment on the economic policies? Which are far more important IMO.

Plumbthedepths

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

They are, but they're also still the "hardy" party, works quite well for them it seems.


There's something really warming about seeing a braindead racist voting against their own views :pac:


Edit - Tis a cesspit for sure, but an interesting insight into the minds of part of the electorate too (the noisy part)

Verona Murphy is polling quite well , considered worthy of FG until she went off script about asylum seekers. All types of voters out not just restricted to one party.
Grealish's comments in Galway also reasonated with some voters in his consistency but I think he will be looking for gainful employment after Saturday.

christy c

Yurt! wrote: »

Is this FG luvvie an idiot too? You can bet she's not the only blue that feels this way. I'm not making the case for a pension age reduction - but quit pretending that it's not an incredibly contentious issue.

Some people are so easily propaganized and will swallow it whole every time FG say 'that's just the way it is.' If that's the case we aught to get rid of governments altogether and let civil service mandarins run the country - because every time FG screw up, it happens to be 'just the way it is,' so what's the point in paying the oafs 100k a year to tell us they can't do anything? It's like the turning of the earth or change of seasons, always 'just the way it is.'

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/cork-fg-candidate-insists-she-has-backing-of-party-despite-pension-age-dispute-979966.html

This is a thread about SF, and I responded after someone said Pearse was intelligent. Whether contentious or not, doesn't mean it's a good idea to reduce it. And I believe it's idiotic to want to reduce the age, regardless of which party member says otherwise.

Tacitus Kilgore

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Verona Murphy is polling quite well , considered worthy of FG until she went off script about asylum seekers. All types of voters out not just restricted to one party.
Grealish's comments in Galway also reasonated with some voters in his consistency but I think he will be looking for gainful employment after Saturday.

I'd say both of them will be out of a job, I would consider the like of Peter Casey's support as a blip rather than the start of a trend (well, hopefully anyway)