Could Sinn Fein actually run a country ?

Sir Oxman · 07-02-2020 4:09pm

friendlyfun wrote: »

THE BAR COUNCIL of Ireland has weighed in on a squabble over an article in the Irish Independent about Fianna Fáil’s justice spokesman, Jim O’Callaghan, being hired to act in a defamation case by former Sinn Féin leader Gerry Adams.

O’Callaghan, who is a barrister, responded by saying that it would be a breach of the barrister’s code of conduct to refuse to represent someone legally because of their politics.

Canvassing in Ennis, Co Clare today on the last day of the campaign, Taoiseach Leo Varadkar said to RTÉ News that it is “further proof to me that Fianna Fáil and Sinn Féin are just itching to get into bed together”.

This afternoon, the Council of the Bar released a statement saying it is the duty of barristers to be independent and free from any influence. Citing the code of conduct, it said:

“Barristers cannot discriminate in favour of or against any person availing, or seeking to avail, of the services of the barrister on the grounds of race, colour, sex, sexual orientation, language, politics, religion, nationality, national or social origin, national minority, birth or other status.”

What was Leo thinking with the stupid comment?

It's the dictionary definition of desperation.
Varadkar and FG are desperate.
They know what's coming.

Yurt2 · 07-02-2020 4:12pm

friendlyfun wrote: »

What was Leo thinking with the stupid comment?

Leo is like petulant teenager. Martin was quite correct when he called him immature.

Wrong man to lead. I wouldn't have him even leading the local tidy town committee.

Larbre34 · 07-02-2020 4:14pm

partyguinness wrote: »

Best I can do in what sense?

I use a perfectly well known colloquialism for Communism, which is alive and well across the globe today and you accuse me of being stuck in the 20th Century rather than take on the point I'm making.

Sinn Féin are Commies at heart. Discuss.

jimmycrackcorm · 07-02-2020 4:15pm

friendlyfun wrote: »

THE BAR COUNCIL of Ireland has weighed in on a squabble over an article in the Irish Independent about Fianna F’s justice spokesman, Jim O’Callaghan, being hired to act in a defamation case by former Sinn F leader Gerry Adams.

O’Callaghan, who is a barrister, responded by saying that it would be a breach of the barrister’s code of conduct to refuse to represent someone legally because of their politics.

Canvassing in Ennis, Co Clare today on the last day of the campaign, Taoiseach Leo Varadkar said to RTNews that it is “further proof to me that Fianna F and Sinn F are just itching to get into bed together”.

This afternoon, the Council of the Bar released a statement saying it is the duty of barristers to be independent and free from any influence. Citing the code of conduct, it said:

“Barristers cannot discriminate in favour of or against any person availing, or seeking to avail, of the services of the barrister on the grounds of race, colour, sex, sexual orientation, language, politics, religion, nationality, national or social origin, national minority, birth or other status.”

What was Leo thinking with the stupid comment?

Barristers are free to choose whichever clients they wish. The only factor that is relevant is how many thousands they can can get in daily fees.

FrancieBrady · 07-02-2020 4:15pm

friendlyfun wrote: »

THE BAR COUNCIL of Ireland has weighed in on a squabble over an article in the Irish Independent about Fianna Fáil’s justice spokesman, Jim O’Callaghan, being hired to act in a defamation case by former Sinn Féin leader Gerry Adams.

O’Callaghan, who is a barrister, responded by saying that it would be a breach of the barrister’s code of conduct to refuse to represent someone legally because of their politics.

Canvassing in Ennis, Co Clare today on the last day of the campaign, Taoiseach Leo Varadkar said to RTÉ News that it is “further proof to me that Fianna Fáil and Sinn Féin are just itching to get into bed together”.

This afternoon, the Council of the Bar released a statement saying it is the duty of barristers to be independent and free from any influence. Citing the code of conduct, it said:

“Barristers cannot discriminate in favour of or against any person availing, or seeking to avail, of the services of the barrister on the grounds of race, colour, sex, sexual orientation, language, politics, religion, nationality, national or social origin, national minority, birth or other status.”

What was Leo thinking with the stupid comment?

It's basic electioneering when you are desperate. When your policies are failing try and scare the voters by inventing boogeymen under the bed. Moratorium is in place, difficult for the opposition to counter it.

Sir Oxman · 07-02-2020 4:17pm

Regina's meltdown about it today proves the point - desperation!

FrancieBrady · 07-02-2020 4:18pm

Sir Oxman wrote: »

Regina's meltdown about it today proves the point - desperation!

That was just a priceless little bit of gold!

The 'rottweiler' in action.

Sir Oxman · 07-02-2020 4:20pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

That was just a priceless little bit of gold! The 'rottweiler' in action.

I'm just listening to it now:D

Oh how I hope that insufferable *** loses her seat and sh1t on Sunday

Yurt2 · 07-02-2020 4:21pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

Sinn Féin are Commies at heart. Discuss.

I've read the SF manifesto (as I have all the major parties).
Some of their economic policy is good, some of it is bad, some of it looks ineffective.

None of it amounts to seizing the means of production or hints at a St Petersburg in October 1917 moment.

That line of arguement is scutter and is as bad as someone saying Leo Varadkar is 'literally a fascist.'

It should be filed under 'complete cobblers' in everyone's filing cabinet.

partyguinness · 07-02-2020 4:21pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

I use a perfectly well known colloquialism for Communism, which is alive and well across the globe today and you accuse me of being stuck in the 20th Century rather than take on the point I'm making.

Sinn Féin are Commies at heart. Discuss.

The phrase 'Commies' is redundant in this country, hysterical and a relic of a bygone era. It just reeks of desperation- you do know the Cold War ended?

I believe the Communist Party would take grave exception to SF being called Communists. In any event, you are confusing Communism with Socialism.

bladespin · 07-02-2020 4:31pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

I use a perfectly well known colloquialism for Communism, which is alive and well across the globe today and you accuse me of being stuck in the 20th Century rather than take on the point I'm making.

Sinn Féin are Commies at heart. Discuss.

Not from any angle I've ever read them, socialist maybe once upon a time but think even that's changed to a more lefty capitalist stance not, sure all you have to do is look at the amount of 'business' their supporters have done over the years

McMurphy · 07-02-2020 4:33pm

Sir Oxman wrote: »

I'm just listening to it now:D

Oh how I hope that insufferable *** loses her seat and sh1t on Sunday

Oh Regina.

She used the Maria Bailey tactic of claiming she played the ball and not the man too for added kudos.

Card cash radio.

JOC to be fair kept his cool, but my guess is he wanted to start Howling down the phone laughing at the ridiculousness of her argument.

https://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer/html5/#/radio1/11152488

Triangle · 07-02-2020 4:36pm

topmanamillion wrote: »

The North clearly isn't under their control. The budget is set by Westminster so that's where the power lies. Stormont is a glorified county council.

Power sharing and Londons indifference to it means the radical economic reform the North needs will never happen.

That Westminster keeps throwing bad money after good to prop up a failed statelet is an entirely separate issue. And you're right it is something British people should be angry about.
I'd be the first to hammer SF for a lot of things but I fail to see how that's their fault.

As for the the title of the thread. Ya, sure why not. The fact FF are one of/the biggest party in the country again after leading the country to the point where we were days from there being no money in ATMS and nothing to pay public servant wages, I fail to see why anyone would be afraid of Sinn Fein having a crack at it.
Only for "something, something, IRA" logic that's been spoon fed to them by Denis O'Brien and politicians.

I seem to remember every party trying to buy the election prior to the downturn.

I'm not a FF or FG voter but the downturn came fast on everyone except a few of the wiser people in the country.

bladespin · 07-02-2020 4:39pm

Sir Oxman wrote: »

I'm just listening to it now:D

Oh how I hope that insufferable *** loses her seat and sh1t on Sunday

Pretty much a foregone conclusion now, FG candidates going at each other loaclly, McEntee would be the more secure seat IMO.

lol.

tipptom · 07-02-2020 4:40pm

McMurphy wrote: »

Oh Regina.

She used the Maria Bailey tactic of claiming she played the ball and not the man too for added kudos.

Card cash radio.

JOC to be fair kept his cool, but my guess is he wanted to start Howling down the phone laughing at the ridiculousness of her argument.

https://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer/html5/#/radio1/11152488

Was she asked why she used her office to send Gardaí to Dublin airport to question a young freelance journalist investigating her business affairs.?

TuringBot47 · 07-02-2020 4:42pm

Yurt! wrote: »

I've read the SF manifesto (as I have all the major parties).
Some of their economic policy is good, some of it is bad, some of it looks ineffective.

Most of us already know the bad/ineffective/completely unfunded bits...

Which bit to do you think is good ?

From the leaders debate, they said they'd built 100,000 houses in 5 years.
Have they even broken that number down by county?
Easy to outbid someone when you've no money in your pocket.

James Brown · 07-02-2020 4:46pm

friendlyfun wrote: »

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What was Leo thinking with the stupid comment?

Being snotty and getting a snide remark in. The usual.

Triangle wrote: »

I seem to remember every party trying to buy the election prior to the downturn.

I'm not a FF or FG voter but the downturn came fast on everyone except a few of the wiser people in the country.

Fair dues, Labour called for a halt to selling off public land before the crash.

Also I saw an element of our home grown crash coming in the newly built apartment blocks lying empty for months. The writing was on the wall. I remember about 2001 telling my boss at the time we'd end up with another crash like the one we had in the eighties and was laughed at.

Mad_maxx · 07-02-2020 4:47pm

bladespin wrote: »

I wonder what could be achieved (by any party) if they approached spending with a value orientated objective - it doesn't really matter which side we're talking about here they all seem to love throwing around money - it's possible that same money could be used for better things.

Children's hospitals, Bertie bowls, affordable housing starting above 500k etc etc.

Seeking value = reform = cutting jobs = loosing votes

bladespin · 07-02-2020 4:51pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Seeking value = reform = cutting jobs = loosing votes

How so? I'n not talking about the CS here (another story), just the rampant disreagrd for value when awarding contracts - rural broadband is another example, rushed in now there are serious questions baout cost vs return.

No job cuts or whatever you imagine.

TuringBot47 · 07-02-2020 4:51pm

Triangle wrote: »

I'm not a FF or FG voter but the downturn came fast on everyone except a few of the wiser people in the country.

Actually I remember David McWilliams and others on "Agenda" on TV3 predicting house prices would fall 50%

At the time I was quite comfortable in my home, no wish to sell up and go back to renting.

is_that_so · 07-02-2020 4:52pm

Triangle wrote: »

I seem to remember every party trying to buy the election prior to the downturn.

I'm not a FF or FG voter but the downturn came fast on everyone except a few of the wiser people in the country.

McCreevy, as early as 2004, huge spender that he was, did raise his voice against ministers demanding more and more money. He even called the Health a black hole. So he was sent to Europe!

Yurt2 · 07-02-2020 4:53pm

TuringBot47 wrote: »

Most of us already know the bad/ineffective/completely unfunded bits...

Which bit to do you think is good ?

From the leaders debate, they said they'd built 100,000 houses in 5 years.
Have they even broken that number down by county?
Easy to outbid someone when you've no money in your pocket.

All questions one is entitled to make in the interrogation of any party's manifesto, but to say that Sinn Féin are communists or that the SF economic policy as outlined amounts to communism is complete tosh.

James Brown · 07-02-2020 4:54pm

I think bailing out banks and private bondholders with tax payer money was pretty darn communist.
I suppose it depends on who's getting the dig out.

Sir Oxman · 07-02-2020 5:08pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Things that bad over in FG HQ? Would you not go out and drop a few leaflets?

Yeah, like Paschal's plea for No.1's or maybe Leo's?

https://twitter.com/caulmick/status/1225701194103971840?s=20

liuqirae · 07-02-2020 5:08pm

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tipptom · 07-02-2020 5:10pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Being snotty and getting a snide remark in. The usual.

Fair dues, Labour called for a halt to selling off public land before the crash.

Also I saw an element of our home grown crash coming in the newly built apartment blocks lying empty for months. The writing was on the wall. I remember about 2001 telling my boss at the time we'd end up with another crash like the one we had in the eighties and was laughed at.

You got to say though if Labour grassroots had of ignored the big party beasts who knew it was their last cut at a ministry and stayed out of government with FG then they would have had an almighty shot at being the biggest party in the next election and could have led a decent government.

Instead they have become toxic with no other option but to elect Howlin as leader who seemed to make unforgiveable cuts on the weak alongside Noonan with great gutso for small money.

Its so bad now that Kelly should be leader but is hated so much by his fellow TDs that they wouldn't even let him stand for the leadership.

A party that could have been a great alternative to FF/FG is now reduced to a joke.

SF would be stark raving mad to go in with either of the two parties FG/FF now that they are in decline and both will be absolutely hated by all in the next election especially with their "cute hoor" voters diying off.

is_that_so · 07-02-2020 5:13pm

tipptom wrote: »

You got to say though if Labour grassroots had of ignored the big party beasts who knew it was their last cut at a ministry and stayed out of government with FG then they would have had an almighty shot at being the biggest party in the next election and could have led a decent government.

Instead they have become toxic with no other option but to elect Howlin as leader who seemed to make unforgiveable cuts on the weak alongside Noonan with great gutso for small money.

Its so bad now that Kelly should be leader but is hated so much by his fellow TDs that they wouldn't even let him stand for the leadership.

A party that could have been a great alternative to FF/FG is now reduced to a joke.

SF would be stark raving mad to go in with either of the two parties FG/FF now that they are in decline and both will be absolutely hated by all in the next election especially with their "cute hoor" voters dying off.

The over 50s? Be a while until they die off. FF could also "solve" the housing crisis, which wouldn't be good for other parties.

liuqirae · 07-02-2020 5:15pm

smelly sock wrote: »

FG/FF are the parties who have rewarded the dead beats amlnd lay abouts. They are the parties who have made the middle ***************************************

McMurphy · 07-02-2020 5:17pm

liuqirae wrote: »

yes, lets change

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51407812

Is there going to be any coherent points to any of your ranting posts?

Sir Oxman · 07-02-2020 5:18pm

tipptom wrote: »

You got to say though if Labour grassroots had of ignored the big party beasts who knew it was their last cut at a ministry and stayed out of government with FG then they would have had an almighty shot at being the biggest party in the next election and could have led a decent government.

Instead they have become toxic with no other option but to elect Howlin as leader who seemed to make unforgiveable cuts on the weak alongside Noonan with great gutso for small money.

Its so bad now that Kelly should be leader but is hated so much by his fellow TDs that they wouldn't even let him stand for the leadership.

A party that could have been a great alternative to FF/FG is now reduced to a joke.

SF would be stark raving mad to go in with either of the two parties FG/FF now that they are in decline and both will be absolutely hated by all in the next election especially with their "cute hoor" voters diying off.

A massive mistake by Labour in 2011.
I was heartbroken.

Could Sinn Fein actually run a country ?

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