Could Sinn Fein actually run a country ?

Mad_maxx

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Salaries did not decline hugely in the private sector, nowhere near as much as in the public sector. Incomes declined for some people because of a lack of demand for some jobs, but teaching did not decline in demand.

Pre crash, average income in the public sector was more than a third higher than the average income in the private sector, no other EU country had such a wide gap

The public sector were wildly over paid pre 2008

Mad_maxx

almostover wrote: »

Employment figures declined far more in the private sector though. When your salary goes down to social welfare levels then that is a hefty pay reduction. My own father lost his job in the private sector in 2008. My mother, a public servant, was never in danger of that happening. She may have experienced pay stagnation but her job security was never under threat.

Public servants cannot expect the same pay as private sector employees for the same work. The public sector employee enjoys job security that is unattainable to a private employee.

Public sector employees earn considerably more than those in the private sector on average

Mad_maxx

Yurt! wrote: »

A left-wing government that has, contrary to internet angryman theory, been very good for business - not even to mention the quite impressive progress on chronic social and livibility issues that were afflicting Portugal.

'NOT VALID! NOT VALID! The blue internet angryman front cry. 'Send me five links proving that you're not literally Pol Pot' they demand.

Portugal is about as wealthy as Ireland was in 1990, Ireland managed to become the EU hq for many of the largest tech and pharmaceutical companies in the world since the early nineties, had we had a socialist government during those years, we would still be like Portugal income wise only without a glorious climate as the mega corporates would not have put down roots in the first place

handlemaster

maccored wrote: »

yeah - if you tax people they run away. great theory that one

Not what I said. If you place to high of taxes on people they will seek to invest in other countries. Not everyone is glued to the country as you might be. Capital is free to flow where it wants and it is necessary to create employment.

smurgen

Phoebas wrote: »

Sinn Fein are supporters of Maduro and supported Chavez before him.

There's nothing wrong with other parties pointing it out.

And nothing wrong with us pointing out FG and viktor orban are best of buds at the EU.

Mad_maxx

smurgen wrote: »

And nothing wrong with us pointing out FG and viktor orban are best of buds at the EU.

Are they now?

You might as well say Angela Merkels party are too, those groupings mean all sorts of parties end up sitting together, doesn't mean a thing

SF and the greens share a grouping with communist parties

shenanagans

Mad_maxx wrote: »

That pay inequality is down to teachers in their fifties etc being paid too much

I don't disagree. It's the inequality I find unfair and wrong.

Mad_maxx

Phoebas wrote: »

Sinn Fein are supporters of Maduro and supported Chavez before him.

There's nothing wrong with other parties pointing it out.

They are a far left party

Mad_maxx

shenanagans wrote: »

I don't disagree. It's the inequality I find unfair and wrong.

Then take it up with SIPTU or their PR mouthpiece ingrid miley

Seth Brundle

Mad_maxx wrote: »

That pay inequality is down to teachers in their fifties etc being paid too much

How much should a teacher be paid?
AFAIK the AIW is €45k. Teachers need to work nearly a decade to reach this point.
The max they earn is shy of €65k after 25 years AFAIK

Phoebas

smurgen wrote: »

And nothing wrong with us pointing out FG and viktor orban are best of buds at the EU.

Absolutely (if that was true).

So we're agreed - it's perfectly fine in a thread about the GE to point to the support various parties have given to others.

Phoebas

Mad_maxx wrote: »

They are a far left party

And there's nothing wrong with that per se.

It's very odd that Sinn Fein supporters seem to get embarrassed by things that the leadership openly support.

Yurt2

Phoebas wrote: »

And there's nothing wrong with that per se.

It's very odd that Sinn Fein supporters seem to get embarrassed by things that the leadership openly support.

I'm not a SF supporter, I'm out of the country and I'm not sure how I'd vote if I were home.

I've taken a look through the manifesto, it's a leftist document with plenty of money allocated for this and that for sure. Far-left? Again, engaging in hyperbole.

They're not nationalising people's farms or sending your granny to the re-education camp.

People need to get a grip.

FrancieBrady

Yurt! wrote: »

I'm not a SF supporter, I'm out of the country and I'm not sure how I'd vote if I were home.

I've taken a look through the manifesto, it's a leftist document with plenty of money allocated for this and that for sure. Far-left? Again, engaging in hyperbole.

They're not nationalising people's farms or sending your granny to the re-education camp.

People need to get a grip.

It's the Indo and others here stchick...soon as this party get power they'll build a far left country, put all unionists on a boat and sail them off into the ocean so that we can all live happily ever after.

ricero

Proudly voted for Sinn Fein there. Never seen my local polling station as busy. Hopefully we get the change this country needs.

Wanderer78

ricero wrote:

Proudly voted for Sinn Fein there. Never seen my local polling station as busy. Hopefully we get the chance this country needs.

Once again, and I'm sorry to say, sf won't be in government this time around, ffg will see to that

Cheerful Spring2

ricero wrote: »

Proudly voted for Sinn Fein there. Never seen my local polling station as busy. Hopefully we get the chance this country needs.

I'm not swayed yet the polling about Sinn Fein is conclusive. Older people listen more to what they say on RTE and will just pick a FG or FF candidate.

Exit polls around the country will be of interest tonight. I don't think anyone can truly say FG out the door till its all over.

I voted Green, Sinn Fein and voted for two independents, and FF. 

Mad_maxx

Seth Brundle wrote: »

How much should a teacher be paid?
AFAIK the AIW is €45k. Teachers need to work nearly a decade to reach this point.
The max they earn is shy of €65k after 25 years AFAIK

Seperate argument bordering on the philosophical

"how much should teachers earn"

The core point here is the plight of new entrants to the profession is a consequence of internal teacher union structure and politics

DellyBelly

All week was think FF but for the First time ever I voted SF no 1 today. Gave Green my no 2. I really hope there is a change coming

Eric Cartman

DellyBelly wrote: »

All week was think FF but for the First time ever I voted SF no 1 today. Gave Green my no 2. I really hope there is a change coming

I hope you dont commute by car or work for an mnc

piplip87

Eat of luck to you all. Remember Shinnerbots

1) Proportional Representation robbed you of this election.... It's not fair......

2) Too many people voted in pencil. The establishment robbed you.

3) Met Eireann are in cahoots with FFG by announcing a weather warning on polling day.... All those people who spent the past few weeks shouting about SF on social media where to afraid to leave Thier social houses on that weather.... It's the same excuse used for job interviews ... Maybe there not really full time mad Bastards after all.....

4) Biased media, how dare they ask question of the manifestos not adding up, SF voting to increase pension age up the North

5) The Quinn Family only speaking out now to hurt SF....


Most importantly guy get plenty of rest it's going to be a long 5 years with 25 seats moaning about everything.......

DellyBelly

DellyBelly wrote: »

All week was think FF but for the First time ever I voted SF no 1 today. Gave Green my no 2. I really hope there is a change coming

There’s not. FG or FF will still be main party.

Sir Oxman

piplip87 wrote: »

Eat of luck to you all. Remember Shinnerbots

1) Proportional Representation robbed you of this election.... It's not fair......

2) Too many people voted in pencil. The establishment robbed you.

3) Met Eireann are in cahoots with FFG by announcing a weather warning on polling day.... All those people who spent the past few weeks shouting about SF on social media where to afraid to leave Thier social houses on that weather.... It's the same excuse used for job interviews ... Maybe there not really full time mad Bastards after all.....

4) Biased media, how dare they ask question of the manifestos not adding up, SF voting to increase pension age up the North

5) The Quinn Family only speaking out now to hurt SF....


Most importantly guy get plenty of rest it's going to be a long 5 years with 25 seats moaning about everything.......

You okay there?
Take a break.

splinter65

DellyBelly wrote: »

All week was think FF but for the First time ever I voted SF no 1 today. Gave Green my no 2. I really hope there is a change coming

What would this change you want look like?

FrancieBrady

piplip87 wrote: »

Eat of luck to you all. Remember Shinnerbots

1) Proportional Representation robbed you of this election.... It's not fair......

2) Too many people voted in pencil. The establishment robbed you.

3) Met Eireann are in cahoots with FFG by announcing a weather warning on polling day.... All those people who spent the past few weeks shouting about SF on social media where to afraid to leave Thier social houses on that weather.... It's the same excuse used for job interviews ... Maybe there not really full time mad Bastards after all.....

4) Biased media, how dare they ask question of the manifestos not adding up, SF voting to increase pension age up the North

5) The Quinn Family only speaking out now to hurt SF....


Most importantly guy get plenty of rest it's going to be a long 5 years with 25 seats moaning about everything.......

Look at it another way.

It's gonna be sweaty bottie time for the power swap parties approaching the next election (which will be soon enough IMO) as a massively re-energised SF get ready and organised across the island.

In a way, SF have already won at this election whatever happens.

topmanamillion

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Nurses earn marginally less than teachers

Perhaps at the start but a teachers increments quickly put them well out infront.

A staff nurse after 12 years is on about €45,000 per year.
A teacher after 12 years is taking home €53,062.
I wouldn't call €8,000 marginal.
A nurse would need to take on a management role and/or over time to keep them on a par with a regular classroom teachers pay.

Maewyn Succat

ricero wrote: »

Proudly voted for Sinn Fein there. Never seen my local polling station as busy. Hopefully we get the change this country needs.

Well done. davycc will be along to thank you very soon.

In the meantime how do you think SF will be able to change the country? Try to answer without mentioning any other party. What exactly do you think would change by SF being the 3rd most popular party which is the most likely result.

topmanamillion

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Nurses earn marginally less than teachers

Perhaps at the start but a teachers increments quickly put them well out infront.

A staff nurse after 12 years is on about €45,000 per year.
A teacher after 12 years is taking home €53,062.
I wouldn't call €8,000 marginal.
A nurse would need to take on a management role and/or plenty of over time to keep them on a par with a regular classroom teachers pay.
By any meassure a nurse on a hospital ward or A&E is having a far more challenging day than a teacher.
It's simple supply and demand. There will always be more nursing jobs than teaching jobs. So there are far more nursing places in college, lower points and more jobs when they qualify. With the opposite being the case for teachers.

We’re already left enough without having a party like Sinn Fein running the show. Obviously they won’t be able to form a majority govt anyways so it’s ok for now.

Am worried for the future though.

McMurphy

piplip87 wrote: »

Eat of luck to you all. Remember Shinnerbots

1) Proportional Representation robbed you of this election.... It's not fair......

2) Too many people voted in pencil. The establishment robbed you.

3) Met Eireann are in cahoots with FFG by announcing a weather warning on polling day.... All those people who spent the past few weeks shouting about SF on social media where to afraid to leave Thier social houses on that weather.... It's the same excuse used for job interviews ... Maybe there not really full time mad Bastards after all.....

4) Biased media, how dare they ask question of the manifestos not adding up, SF voting to increase pension age up the North

5) The Quinn Family only speaking out now to hurt SF....


Most importantly guy get plenty of rest it's going to be a long 5 years with 25 seats moaning about everything.......

The shinners are in a win win situation no matter what after this election, not part of the next govt? They will still (most probably) have increased their seat numbers, and be there in opposition.

Next election, FF FG vote share depletion continues most likely the shinners increase continues.

It's purely a matter of time before they're in govt.