Could Sinn Fein actually run a country ?

Fann Linn

Necro wrote: »

Lads this is a thread about Sinn Fein in power?

What do you expect us to go off topic and discuss the populism of FF and FG?

Theres loads of threads for that already!

Thanks. So many threads it's getting mixed up now. 😀😀

rdwight

facehugger99 wrote: »

Never understood this attitude. It's a real example of total logic-fail.

You'd swear we were living in some sort of hell hole, rather than a prosperous western democracy.
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We have massive issues with housing, health and infrastructure - some of which are directly related to how successfully we have managed to extract ourselves from recession a decade ago.

Ireland is far from perfect, but it's also far from being the basket-case that SF's policies would result in.

Be extremely careful what you wish for because things can always be worse.

It used to be a truism of British politics that when the economy was strugglng, the Tories would get elected on the basis that they could be relied on to do the dirty work, and when times were good, Labour would get in because people felt it was safe to be more flaithulach.

I know there are massive problems that need to be addressed but I can't help thinking, if everyone is struggling so much who are 8.8m people who travelled overseas from Ireland last year.

pjohnson

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

It's amazing how many people are suddenly concerned about false promises from politicians when it's SF making them. You'd swear FF or FG never promised something they couldn't deliver.

Its too late and its only boosting SF further.

Yurt2

Call me Al wrote: »

According to journal.ie Sinn Fein say 30,000 of the 100k are affordable housing..
60k social and 20k rental.
6.5billion to pay for it.

Eoin O'Broin claiming new units can be delivered for 230k (both social, and affordable which will be purchased via mortgage) - not 65k

Green Party claiming they can deliver units @ 200k (also social, and affordable for purchase via mortgage). Greens promising a delivery of 80'000 units.

Make of that what you will. Bear in mind affordable to my understanding is defined as units for private sale built on public land and will be offered at cost.

Field east

joe40 wrote: »

Multinationals looking at Ireland as a place to invest due to lax tax laws is not sustainable into the future.
I'm not talking about the 12.5% corporation tax, thatstands, it is the likes of Apple paying virtually no tax as this judgement showed.

During the formation of gov in 2011 SF instead of Labour could , technically, gone into gov with FG. Was there a discussion at the time that if that was the case that there would be a capital and business flight out of ireland. And also inward investment might take a hit also

marieholmfan

Field east wrote: »

During the formation of gov in 2011 SF instead of Labour could , technically, gone into gov with FG. Was there a discussion at the time that if that was the case that there would be a capital and business flight out of ireland. And also inward investment might take a hit also

Well was there or wasn't there?
Are you just asking questions or do you have any answer?

handlemaster

Yurt! wrote: »

Eoin O'Broin claiming new units can be delivered for 230k (both social, and affordable which will be purchased via mortgage) - not 65k

Green Party claiming they can deliver units @ 200k (also social, and affordable for purchase via mortgage). Greens promising a delivery of 80'000 units.

Make of that what you will. Bear in mind affordable to my understanding is defined as units for private sale built on public land and will be offered at cost.

No party can claim to know exact costs. Costs vary alot depending on the location of the site external factors such as labour supply, cost of funding , property life cycle etc etc

handlemaster

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/election-2020/sinn-fein-stumbles-over-tax-as-ira-murder-casts-shadow-38924426.html


SF have to own who they are before they can be trusted with the republic of Ireland. It's a question of trust also not just policies. And their policies have more holes than a shooting range.

Field east

Necro wrote: »

Meh.

Pointless thread is pointless.

Sinn Fein are not even running enough candidates to have an overall majority to run the country as the OP puts it.

At worst they'll be in a coalition and will renege on 90 per cent of their promises (most of which are unworkable anyways)

At best they'll take their usual seats in opposition and continue their dog whistling tactics.

If they win every single seat for the 40 odd candidates they're running I might start to take them seriously but it's never gonna happen

If SF enter gov with whoever and fail to deliver it has three obvious outs at least (1) the senior party did not give its relevant minister enough money
(2) the 11 m euro did not materialise
(3) it was not given the ministry that the voters have a big problem with

Yurt2

handlemaster wrote: »

No party can claim to know exact costs. Costs vary alot depending on the location of the site external factors such as labour supply, cost of funding , property life cycle etc etc

I'd agree, but building at scale on public land (removing one of the main cost inputs), the Green / SF estimates of 200-230k per unit delivery don't seem entirety crazy and seem like fairly real world figures.

Field east

suicide_circus wrote: »

i cant wait to see what SF do with power once they form a coalition.

And how long will it stay in it? Remember a last binding arrangement - the C and S arrangement was supposed to last only 6 mts. FF deserves a lot of credit for making it last the full term

Carlow–Kilkenny 5 seats - FF 3, FG 3, SF 1, Labour 1, Independent 2, Renua, 1, PBP 1, Greens 1, Irish Freedom 1

Cavan–Monaghan 5 seats - FF 3, FG 3, SF 2, Labour 1, Independent 1, PBP 1, Greens 1, Aontu 1

Clare 4 - FF 3, FG 3, SF 1, Labour 0, Independent 4, PBP 1, Greens 1, Renua 1, Irish Freedom 1,

Cork East 4 - FF 2, FG 2, SF 1, Labour 1, independent 4, PBP 0, Greens 1, Aontu 1, Irish Freedom 1

Cork North Central 4 - FF 3, FG 2, SF 1, Labour 1, independent 6, PBP 1, SD 1, Greens 1, Workers Party 1, Aontu 1,

Cork North West 3 - FF 2, FF 2, SF 0, Labour 0, Independent 1, Greens 1, SD 1, Irish Freedom 1

Cork South Central 4 - FF 2, FG 2, SF 1, Labour 1, independent 4, Greens 1, PBP 1, SD 1, Aontu 1

Cork South West 3 - FF 2, FF 2, SF 1, Labour 0, Independent 3, Greens 1, PBP 1, SD 1, Aontu 1

Donegal 5 - FF 2, FG 2, SF 2, Labour 0, Independent 5, Greens 1, Aontu 1

Dublin Bay South 5 - FF 2, FG 2, SF 1, Labour 1, Independent 6, Greens 1, PBP 2, Irish Freedom 1, SD 1, Aontu 1

Dublin Bay North 4 - FF 1, FG 2, SF 1, Labour 1, independent 5, Greens 1, SD 1, PBP 1, Renua 1, Irish Freedom 1

Dublin Central 4 - FF 1, FF 2, SF 1, Labour 1, independent 5, PBP 2, Greens 1, SD 1, Workers Party 1, Aontu 1

Dublin Fingal 5 - FF 2, FG 2, SF 1, Labour 1, independent 4, PBP 2, Greens 1, Ind for change 1, SD 1, United People 1

Dublin Mid West 4 - FF 2, FG 2, SF 2, Labour 1, Independent 2, PBP 1, Greens 1, Workers Party 1

Dublin North West 3 - FF 1, FG 1, SF 1, Labour 1, independent 2, PBP 1, Greens 1, SD 1, National Party 1

Dublin Rathdown 3 - FF 2, FG 2, SF 1, Labour 1, independent 2, PBP 1, Greens 1, Aontu 1

Dublin South Central 4 - FF 1, FG 1, SF 1, Labour 1, independent 4, Greens 1, PBP 1, SD 1, ind for change 1, National Party 1

Dublin South West 5 - FF 3, FG 2, SF 1, Labour 1, independent 3, Greens 1, PBP 2, SD 1, Renua 1, National Party 1

Dublin West 4 - FF 1, FG 2, SF 1, Labour 1, independent 3, Greens 1, PBP 1, SD 1, Aontu 1

Dun Laoghaire 4 - FF 2, FG 2, SF 1, Labour 1, Independent 1, Greens 1, PBP 1, SD 1, Aontu 1, Irish Freedom 1

Galway East 3 - FF 2, FG2, SF 1, Labour 1, Independent 2, Greens 1, SD 1, Aontu 1, Renua 1

Galway West 5 - FF 2, FG 2, SF 1, Labour 1, independent 4, Greens 1, PBP 2, SD 1, Aontu 1

Kerry 5 - FF 3, FG 2, SF 1, Independent 4, Greens 1, Irish Freedom 1, Aontu 1

Kildare North 4 - FF 2, FG 2, SF 1, Labour 1, independent 2, Greens 1, PBP 1, SD 1, Renua 1

Kildare South 4 - FF 2, FG 1, SF 1, Labour 1, independent 2, Greens 1, PBP 1, SD 1, Aontu 1.
Nb: Ceann Comhairle in this constituency and automatically returned.

Laois–Offaly 5 - FF 4, FG 2, SF 1, Labour 1, independent 2, Greens 1, PBP 1, Renua 1, National Party 1, Irish Democratic 1

Limerick City 4 - FF 2, FG 2, SF 1, Labour 1, independent 1, Greens 1, PBP 1, SD 1, Aontu 1, National Party 1

Limerick County 3 - FF 2, FG 2, SF 1, Independent 3, Greens 1, Aontu 1, Renua 1, National Party 1

Longford–Westmeath 4 - FF 2, FG 3, SF 1, Labour 1, independent 4, Greens 1, PBP 2, National Party 1

Louth 5 - FF 2, FG 2, SF 2, Labour 1, independent 4, Greens 1, PBP 1, Renua 1, Irish Freedom 1

Mayo 4 - FF 2, FG 3, SF 1, Labour 1, independent 4, Greens 1, PBP 1, Aontu 1, Irish Freedom 1

Meath East 3 - FF 2, FG 2, SF 1, Labour 1, independent 2, Greens 1, PBP 1, Aontu 1, Workers Party 1

Meath West 3 - FF 1, FG 3, SF 1, Labour 0, independent 0, Greens 1, SD 1, Aontu 1, Renua 1

Roscommon-Galway 3 - FF 2, FG 1, SF 1, Labour 0, independent 3, Greens 1, PBP 1, Aontu 1, National Party 1

Sligo-Leitrim 4 - FF 3, FG 2, SF 1, Labour 1, independent 6, Greens 1, PBP 1, Aontu 1, Renua 1, ind for change 1, National Party 1

Waterford 4 - FF 2, FG 2, SF 1, Labour 1, independent 2, Greens 1, PBP 1, Aontu 1

Wexford 5 - FF 4, FG 2, SF 1, Labour 1, independent 3, Greens 1, PBP 1, Aontu 1, ind for change 1

Wicklow 5 - FF 2, FG 3, SF 1, Labour 1, independent 8, Greens 1, PBP 1, SD 1, Aontu 1, National Party 1

TIPPERARY 5 - POSTPONED DUE TO THE DEATH OF AN INDEPENDENT CANDIDATE
But here are the candidates still showing
FF 3, FG 2, SF 1, Labour 1, independent 4, Greens 1, Irish Freedom 1


Sinn Fein have one candidate in 33 counties, two candidates in 4 counties and none in 1 county. Tipperary not included.

Above info gathered from here

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dáil_constituencies

sbsquarepants

I think people just have a pain in their holes with FF and FG - they are for all intents and purposes the same party.
It makes zero difference which of them is in power, repeated flip flopping from one to the other is ridiculous, it may have taken us a century to realise this, but at least we seem to be getting there now.

Will it be better or will it be worse - only time will tell. But at least it will be different.

TuringBot47

Yurt! wrote: »

Eoin O'Broin claiming new units can be delivered for 230k (both social, and affordable which will be purchased via mortgage) - not 65k

Green Party claiming they can deliver units @ 200k (also social, and affordable for purchase via mortgage). Greens promising a delivery of 80'000 units.

Make of that what you will. Bear in mind affordable to my understanding is defined as units for private sale built on public land and will be offered at cost.

It's not the unit price of a house that matters.
Look what happened historically in Ballymun and Tallaght if you just build houses, but there's no schools, shops, community centres, leisure facilities, playgrounds, creches, good bus/train links etc.

No way you can just focus on unit price for building a house.

thegetawaycar

Field east wrote: »

If SF enter gov with whoever and fail to deliver it has three obvious outs at least (1) the senior party did not give its relevant minister enough money
(2) the 11 m euro did not materialise
(3) it was not given the ministry that the voters have a big problem with

Expect that we will have an FF government backed by FG but if we did have SF in power (as minority) I'd expect they would pull the plug fairly early and look to re-run the election but enter a lot more candidates in the hopes of leading as the major player.

I think FG need a new leader who will see that they should never have alienated their base and tried to be everything to everyone. Claiming to be the party of law and order and of the working people but then not reducing taxes for workers, not bringing in mandatory sentences for multiple convictions etc... but instead paying extra in terms of welfare eg Christmas bonus has screwed them.
They should have announced no bonus and the extra money would instead be used for housing, the free everything brigade have parties offering all sorts so the bonus and extra 5euro have been ignored by them but have annoyed the working people.

SF will be hoping if they can get in to power they will have the Apple tax windfall to play with too. My main concern is that yet again we seem to be looking at taking huge portions of the workforce out of the tax net which in turn means when the next downturn comes we have no reliable tax intake.

Field east

Rigor Mortis wrote: »

I'm fairly sure that SF will be nowhere near as bad as the doomsayers tell you they will be and nowhere near as different as their newly found supporters hope they will be.

SF have shown themselves to be a pragmatic, opportunistic party and i have little doubt they will sacrafice their principles in the same way that every politician has to. Politics is the art of the possible. The margins in what is possible are pretty narrow.

It’s of interest that there is so much focus on capping / freezing/ lowering rents but ABSOLUTLY no discussion on the whole insurance cost issue - x- and most especially because of the recent issue re insuring creschs- (WHICHAREABOUTCHILDREN)

Yurt2

TuringBot47 wrote: »

It's not the unit price of a house that matters.
Look what happened historically in Ballymun and Tallaght if you just build houses, but there's no schools, shops, community centres, leisure facilities, playgrounds, creches, good bus/train links etc.

No way you can just focus on unit price for building a house.

Ok. Let's build nothing.

Necro

Strawberry Milkshake wrote:

Sligo-Leitrim 4 - FF 3, FG 2, SF 1, Labour 1, independent 6, Greens 1, PBP 1, Aontu 1, Renua 1, ind for change 1, National Party 1

Nineteen candidates in my own constituency for four seats is akin to lunacy imo.

Half of them won't even hit the requirement for their deposit back.

To get back on topic though, SF not running a second there is a misstep imo, I don't necessarily agree with it but there is potential for a second SF seat in this area given the outright uselessness of most of the other candidates

mada999

2011 wrote: »

They don’t understand economics. Any time Mary is questioned on the affordability of SF proposals she fails to answer it sufficiently. I would love to get a state pension at 65 but the money simply isn’t there. I agree with her proposal to increase vacant property tax and I like their approach to the insurance crises. I also understand people’s frustration at the current housing / rent situation but SF would run the country into the ground.

There's money there if the current govt didnt overspend it on some projects.....

Gringo180

2011 wrote: »

I would love to get a state pension at 65 but the money simply isn’t there.

The money is there. Its just been squandered.

Necro

Necro wrote: »

Nineteen candidates in my own constituency for four seats is akin to lunacy imo.

Half of them won't even hit the requirement for their deposit back.

To get back on topic though, SF not running a second there is a misstep imo, I don't necessarily agree with it but there is potential for a second SF seat in this area given the outright uselessness of most of the other candidates

I’m in the same constituency as you. I’m not sure why they didn’t run two as the Sligo-Leitrim constituency also includes South Donegal which along with Leitrim is a border county.

Field east

Hamsterchops wrote: »

No, of course not, but that won't prevent them from demanding to be in a coalition with other parties.

Just wait till McDonald gets going tonight and you'll hear all the usual garbage as to why Sinn Fein has a justifiable right to be in government....

My eyes & ears will be bleeding.

I just hope that Martin & Varadkar jump on her tonight and put her down once and for all.

SF have so much unsavoury baggage that needs to be brought to the fore, specially for the younger generation who obviously need to be reminded.

The saying ‘ A lepoard does not change its spots’ comes to mind

is_that_so

Necro wrote: »

Nineteen candidates in my own constituency for four seats is akin to lunacy imo.

Half of them won't even hit the requirement for their deposit back.

To get back on topic though, SF not running a second there is a misstep imo, I don't necessarily agree with it but there is potential for a second SF seat in this area given the outright uselessness of most of the other candidates

Local election results dictated their approach, logically enough. We're also not there yet in terms of seats. As someone pointed out in the election stats thread the last poll had 17% undecided.

Necro

Strawberry Milkshake wrote:

I’m in the same constituency as you. I’m not sure why they didn’t run two as the Sligo-Leitrim constituency also includes South Donegal which along with Leitrim is a border county.

It's easy to forget that sorry

But yeah, the SF vote in Leitrim and the border counties is enough surely to go hard at that last seat, I think depending on the make up of the next Dail they may regret it

Harkin (fcuk knows why), Mc Sharry and Kenny are likely locks for seats but that fourth could go anywhere

TuringBot47

Yurt! wrote: »

Ok. Let's build nothing.

I never implied that.
I just have no faith in politicians estimates.
Especially if they've no background in city planning or large infrastructure projects.

Although maybe they do know the price of building projects if they get a percentage for providing site security.

Field east

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Bringing up all the, literal skeletons in the Sinn Fein closet hasn’t worked before and won’t work now.

Their association with violence is actually attractive to some young voters who don’t remember the troubles.

But they can be reminded yet again and maybe their curiosity might be aroused

James Brown

Markcheese wrote: »

Okay I'll go for the pantomime answer .. oh yes they could ...

Record breaking record breaking crises, (FG)? A crashier crash, (FF)?

pjohnson

Field east wrote: »

The saying ‘ A lepoard does not change its spots’ comes to mind

Field east wrote: »

But they can be reminded yet again and maybe their curiosity might be aroused

The "younger generation" care about 2019 issues.

Necro

pjohnson wrote:

The "younger generation" care about 2019 issues.

Here's the crux though

The 'younger generation' are also much less likely to vote.

They will pontificate for hours on boards and Twitter but then just not bother showing up to make their vote do the talking.

I wish this wasnt the case, because I'm sick of the ever present grey people deciding our future governments but what can you do?

James Brown

pjohnson wrote: »

The "younger generation" care about 2019 issues.

As do most people, and into 2020 of course.

Field east

Fann Linn wrote: »

That old chestnut has been thrown around for the last 20 years as an excuse for not taxing the rich.
Perhaps it's time to test the waters.

Do we have to test the waters? Surely there are countries that have gone left and (@) what happened re capital flight from the country
(B)whathappened re inward investment continuing
(C)how did the annual GDP pan out

Field east

smurgen wrote: »

Lol look at the FGers only admitting we have a housing and health issue now they're about to be turfed out. I'm sure they've just woken up now. Give them another go and things will surely get better.they've only been in power a decade.

So it had a large war chest at the beginning of the decade???????

is_that_so

Necro wrote: »

Here's the crux though

The 'younger generation' are also much less likely to vote.

They will pontificate for hours on boards and Twitter but then just not bother showing up to make their vote do the talking.

I wish this wasnt the case, because I'm sick of the ever present grey people deciding our future governments but what can you do?

One day you'll be a grey person too and you can rail against the young and their lack of civic responsibility!

Yurt2

Hamsterchops wrote: »

If Varadkar & Martin don't bury McDonald in tonight's debate it'll be their own fault, it also depends on whether she's pressurised (or let off the hook) by Claire Byrne!

Sinn Fein's fiscal policy & economic model really need to be scrutinized, never mind the other 'shady' stuff which hopefully will be brought up tonight.

Every party's fiscal and economic policy needs to be probed. Had a rifle throug them just a while ago, and they all throw up question marks.

I love how FG is trying to corner the market in 'fiscally responsible' with their series of cost disasters. Doesn't hold water.

SafeSurfer

Necro wrote: »

It's easy to forget that sorry

But yeah, the SF vote in Leitrim and the border counties is enough surely to go hard at that last seat, I think depending on the make up of the next Dail they may regret it

Harkin (fcuk knows why), Mc Sharry and Kenny are likely locks for seats but that fourth could go anywhere

Kenny appeared to be in difficulty in the run up to the election. Serious split in SF in Leitrim apparently. His championing of the refugee centre in a building owned by someone with close family links, allegedly, has not gone down well. Chris Mc Manus was pulled as a running mate to shore up Kennys vote because there were fears he would not make it apparently.

godtabh

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Sinn Fein's fiscal policy & economic model really need to be scrutinized, never mind the other 'shady' stuff which hopefully will be brought up tonight.

Why would any one trust a party that flip flops on stances depending on what party of the island they are from?

I wouldn't trust them as far as I through them. and while I dont have much gra for FG I would agree with Coveney when he says SF will pay for everything in credit and **** the country up worse than any one ever did before.

I wouldn't trust a party who no political morals or morals full stop.

Hamsterchops

If Varadkar & Martin don't bury McDonald in tonight's debate it'll be their own fault, it also depends on whether she's pressurised (or let off the hook) by the interviewer!

Sinn Fein's fiscal policy & economic model really need to be scrutinized, never mind the other 'shady' stuff which hopefully will be brought up tonight.

Necro

is_that_so wrote:

One day you'll be a grey person too and you can rail against the young and their lack of civic responsibility!

I rail now too!

Voted in every single election/referendum that I've been in the country for since I turned voting age.

Had countless arguments with my siblings about first getting them on the electoral register and then actually going to cast their vote.

The only thing they bothered with was SSM, to join the ghastly #hometovote movement that saw huge turnouts.

My mates are the same, 2 or 3 interested in politics and the rest don't care and have never voted in their lives.

Its frustrating.

is_that_so

Yurt! wrote: »

Every party's fiscal and economic policy needs to be probed. Had a rifle throug them just a while ago, and they all throw up question marks.

I love how FG is trying to corner the market in 'fiscally responsible' with their series of cost disasters. Doesn't hold water.

None of them do and it's 2007 all over again for FF & FG and FF 1977 for SF. However, the main two have a track record of finding the books don't allow them to do certain things. Although their voters would accept that would SF voters?

tayto lover

Never voted SF before but sometimes you have to ask if they deserve a chance and if they could be much worse. You get fed up of hearing the same false promises from the same parties who have been running this state from its inception. Many of my friends are starting to think like this i.e. “ let them have a go and can it end up any worse than FF left it and how FG are running it now”.

The “man with the two pints” and the “man who gets up early to go to work “ are thinking of change. They’ve had their faces slapped too often.

jimmycrackcorm

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

It's amazing how many people are suddenly concerned about false promises from politicians when it's SF making them. You'd swear FF or FG never promised something they couldn't deliver.

I won't be worried by SF not delivering their promises. Especially when the outcome of brexit next year hits our economy. I'd expect that SF on a coalition will get their comeback in the next election for not delivering, exactly like the greens and labour have before.

They aren't going to fix neither housing nor health once reality sets in.

No, I'm worried that their anti business economic policies will mean my job is at risk and discourage companies from locating here.

JohnnyFlash

tayto lover wrote: »

Never voted SF before but sometimes you have to ask if they deserve a chance and if they could be much worse. You get fed up of hearing the same false promises from the same parties who have been running this state from its inception. Many of my friends are starting to think like this i.e. “ let them have a go and can it end up any worse than FF left it and how FG are running it now”.

The “man with the two pints” and the “man who gets up early to go to work “ are thinking of change. They’ve had their faces slapped too often.

The State is less than 100 years old and we have gone from being the poorest country in Western Europe to one which is ranked as 3rd in the UN HDI. That happened under FF and FG governments. The man with two pints more than likely doesn’t have a clue how good he actually has it.

CageWager

facehugger99 wrote: »

Never understood this attitude. It's a real example of total logic-fail.

You'd swear we were living in some sort of hell hole, rather than a prosperous western democracy.

We have massive issues with housing, health and infrastructure - some of which are directly related to how successfully we have managed to extract ourselves from recession a decade ago.

Ireland is far from perfect, but it's also far from being the basket-case that SF's policies would result in.

Be extremely careful what you wish for because things can always be worse.

This.

Lets not forget what happened in Germany not so long ago when the electorate became disillusioned with the government following years of austerity before a shiny new socialist party came along with their promises of “radical change”.

Radical indeed.

ednwireland

Hamsterchops wrote: »

If Varadkar & Martin don't bury McDonald in tonight's debate it'll be their own fault, it also depends on whether she's pressurised (or let off the hook) by the interviewer!

Sinn Fein's fiscal policy & economic model really need to be scrutinized, never mind the other 'shady' stuff which hopefully will be brought up tonight.

all MLM has to do is throw up the childrens hospital and FG are flat on their faces

jimmycrackcorm

tayto lover wrote: »

Never voted SF before but sometimes you have to ask if they deserve a chance and if they could be much worse. You get fed up of hearing the same false promises from the same parties who have been running this state from its inception. Many of my friends are starting to think like this i.e. “ let them have a go and can it end up any worse than FF left it and how FG are running it now”.

The “man with the two pints” and the “man who gets up early to go to work “ are thinking of change. They’ve had their faces slapped too often.

This thinking is the same type of logic that got trump into power and the disaffected Northern areas of England voting for Brexit.

Frying pan / fire thinking.

tayto lover

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

The State is less than 100 years old and we have gone from being the poorest country in Western Europe to one which is ranked as 3rd in the UN HDI. That happened under FF and FG governments. The man with two pints more than likely doesn’t have a clue how good he actually has it.

How much better could it be though if politicians weren’t paying way above the odds for a new children’s hospital in the wrong place, if homelessness was being seriously tackled, criminals were receiving appropriate sentences and if our grandchildren weren’t left to pay the debts of others?

Fann Linn

CageWager wrote: »

This.

Lets not forget what happened in Germany not so long ago when the electorate became disillusioned with the government following years of austerity before a shiny new socialist party came along with their promises of “radical change”.

Radical indeed.

Godwinned.

mikep

I've been thinking over the last few days that it won't be long before the shinners and their ilk ARE running the show.
Their first budget would likely be shot down by the EC which will then bring about a clamour for Irexit...

Trump, Bojo and Brexit show us anything is possible...

SafeSurfer

ednwireland wrote: »

all MLM has to do is throw up the childrens hospital and FG are flat on their faces

Sinn Fein have an excellent record on health in Northern Ireland. Not now, with record waiting lists but during the troubles.

Their then policies resulted in the surgeons with most experience of limb trauma, knee cappings, drilled elbows etc, being based in Belfast. The work of surgeons such as Prof Rab Mollan was pioneering and resulted in huge advancements in the field. They should be given a chance to work their magic here too.