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Group Whatsapp - Woman sentenced over child pornography video

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    #32
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    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    Sounds like there’s more to this case than we’ve been made aware of.

    Where did you get that from?


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    #33
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    Oranage2 wrote: »
    Mr Orange told the court that his client's ambitions to work in child care are now gone, because this conviction means she cannot get garda vetting.

    “That door has being shut to her,” he said. She has left a college course in social care and is now working in a fast food restaurant.

    He said that she came to Ireland from Nigeria as a juvenile and that “appalling things” had happened to her in her past. In an assessment a psychiatrist said that “listening to her had a moving effect on him”.

    Garda Killian Leyden said that the adult in the video has since being identified as a man in Michigan, US, and has been convicted.

    Also

    Mr Orange said that the case showed that “any of us could find ourselves the recipient of this kind of awful material.”

    “This stuff is flying around online. It's a case of there but for the grace of God go I,” he said.

    He said that his client should have reported the footage to gardaí but didn't. Judge Codd noted that this is not a criminal offence.

    Why doesnt Mr orange know the law? Sounds like the worst lawyer ever

    Psychiatrists aren't cheap.

    This case really is bizarre. Pshychological assessment, and in the end she gets a suspended sentence.

    As Dougal said, there is something else at play here.


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    #34
    suicide_circus
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    whatever about working in childcare, i dont fancy her chances of getting any job in ireland

    "any previous convictions?"

    "yes"

    "what for?"

    "possession of child pornography"

    "NEXT!!"


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    #35
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    whatever about working in childcare, i dont fancy her chances of getting any job in ireland

    "any previous convictions?"

    "yes"

    "what for?"

    "possession of child pornography"

    "NEXT!!"

    “Any previous convictions?”

    “No”.


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    #36
    Fr_Dougal
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    ReginaldSmythV wrote: »
    Where did you get that from?

    Her house was raided in an unrelated investigation. She was texting some randomer who send her abuse images.

    It’s all very strange...


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    #37
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
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    meeeeh wrote: »
    Actually reporting to Garcia is the best option. There was a similar case of one of the top British police officers who list her job and got sentence for not reporting it.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/19/police-chief-convicted-for-having-child-sex-abuse-video-on-phone-robyn-williams

    Yeah, Detective Garcia IS the best in the biz.


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    #38
    Tired Gardener
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    Read the article on the journal, and I am firmly in the 'there is more to this story' camp.

    If what we are reading is the full story. It seems overly harsh, she thought it was deleted, so that may be why she didn't see value in going to the Gardaí.

    Also, what happened to the sender of the video?

    A very worrying turn of events.


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    #39
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    Tired Gardener wrote: »
    Read the article on the journal, and I am firmly in the 'there is more to this story' camp.

    If what we are reading is the full story. It seems overly harsh, she thought it was deleted, so that may be why she didn't see value in going to the Gardaí.

    Also, what happened to the sender of the video?

    A very worrying turn of events.

    He’s being charged in the US.


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    #40
    Quantum Erasure
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    Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »
    Report I read said that he had been convicted in the US.

    That was the guy in the video, not whoever had sent it to her. These videos seem to be doing the rounds in certain communities


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    #41
    Harry Palmr
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    Do many people idly click files sent to them by persons who are not known directly?


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    #42
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    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    That was the guy in the video, not whoever had sent it to her. These videos seem to be doing the rounds in certain communities

    I’d hope nobody I know would forward on anything like it but I’d have no qualms about shopping them if they did.


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    #43
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    ReginaldSmythV wrote: »
    He’s being charged in the US.

    The abuser in the video is being charged but it doesn't say if he is the sender of the video.


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    #44
    Discodog
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    A client of mine is a computer expert. He swears that he could put images or video onto someone's computer without them having a clue.


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    #45
    Dravokivich
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    Surely if you received it you would straight away report it to the Gardai, it & the person that sent it to you?

    First thing to do is to always report it. Otherwise upon investigation, youd be considered complicit.


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    #46
    Dravokivich
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    Discodog wrote: »
    A client of mine is a computer expert. He swears that he could put images or video onto someone's computer without them having a clue.

    Malware can compromise in more ways than collecting data or encrypting the hard drives.


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    #47
    riffmongous
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    Dravokivich wrote: »
    First thing to do is to always report it. Otherwise upon investigation, youd be considered complicit.

    Without deleting it?


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    #48
    Discodog
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    Dravokivich wrote: »
    Malware can compromise in more ways than collecting data or encrypting the hard drives.

    I am pretty sure that Ransomware was used with the threat that illegal images had or would be put on the victims computer. Losing data is one thing but a prison term for illegal images is far more damaging.


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    #49
    Discodog
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    Dravokivich wrote: »
    First thing to do is to always report it. Otherwise upon investigation, youd be considered complicit.

    Probably wise to send a copy to CEOP so you aren't reliant on Garda admin.


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    #50
    sabat
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    This is about the 3rd or 4th case before the courts that I can remember of Nigerians casually sending each other child abuse imagery in a normal (ie not in a typical paedophile group) setting. You'd almost think they had a different sense of right and wrong to us...


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    #51
    Cilldara_2000
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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    I wish people would stop referring to it as child "porn". That is likening it to consensual acts. Its child abuse images and videos.

    Agreed. But regrettably the term child pornography is used in the law. (EG see Child Trafficking and Pornography Act 1998)


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    #52
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    sabat wrote: »
    This is about the 3rd or 4th case before the courts that I can remember of Nigerians casually sending each other child abuse imagery in a normal (ie not in a typical paedophile group) setting. You'd almost think they had a different sense of right and wrong to us...

    Could you link some of those other cases for us?


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    #53
    Dravokivich
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    Without deleting it?

    If you delete it, you're destroying evidence.


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    #54
    Dravokivich
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    Discodog wrote: »
    Probably wise to send a copy to CEOP so you aren't reliant on Garda admin.

    What's ceop?

    Just go to the gards with it.


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    #55
    Quantum Erasure
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    Could you link some of those other cases for us?

    It's not the first time that its happened, thats for sure, im sure you can google if you want the details


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    #56
    sabat
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    Could you link some of those other cases for us?

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/court-hears-child-porn-video-was-discovered-on-phone-of-father-of-two-after-it-was-left-in-for-repair-939451.html

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/woman-prosecuted-for-child-porn-she-innocently-received-on-whatsapp-979709.html


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    #57
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    sabat wrote: »
    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/court-hears-child-porn-video-was-discovered-on-phone-of-father-of-two-after-it-was-left-in-for-repair-939451.html

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/woman-prosecuted-for-child-porn-she-innocently-received-on-whatsapp-979709.html

    One other case then


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    #58
    Galwayguy35
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    Bit odd that a guy who she only knew by his first name had her number in the first place.

    If it was me and someone sent me something like that I'd be straight down to the cop shop and let them deal with it.


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    #59
    Quantum Erasure
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    tabby aspreme wrote: »
    One more

    and another
    https://www.thejournal.ie/child-pornography-case-dublin-3689005-Nov2017/


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    #60
    tabby aspreme
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    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    and another
    https://www.thejournal.ie/child-pornography-case-dublin-3689005-Nov2017/

    That's what I was trying to link, thanks


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    #61
    Fccwontletmebe
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    Beyond ridiculous.

    It was one video and she was sent it, she didn’t go searching for it herself.

    She gets a suspended sentence for this like the lads who did the acid attack in Waterford.

    Garda should have investigated the number where it came from and used their descretion.

    So hypothetically what could happen is that:

    *Some random user downloads Child porn via an unregistered sim
    * Starts sending it to random users or people they know.
    * Users now have child porn on the phone.
    * Call the Garda unomynous number reporting people with child abuse on their phones
    *Person gets a suspended sentence or jail time.

    I’m sure half of WhatsApp users don’t know how to delete stuff etc.


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