Group Whatsapp - Woman sentenced over child pornography video

Galwayguy35

why didn't she immediately report the piece of sh1t that sent her the video, this mysterious fella who she gave her number to but who's last name she didn't know.

Story doesn't add up.

SeaFields

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Story doesn't add up.

100% doesn't add up. Be mindful that the woman went with a plea of guilty even with having the advice of senior counsel. Based on what's in the media most posters see her as having had a very stateable defence. It's what is not in the story is what would fill the gaps.

sbsquarepants

Sounds harsh?

Not to me it doesn't. Fúck her, she should have been jailed.

Lesson to be learned, if anyone sends you a video of a kid being raped, bring it straight to your nearest garda station and report the scumbag. Don't wag your finger at them and say don't do that again you little rascal you.

Discodog

Discodog wrote: »

A client of mine is a computer expert. He swears that he could put images or video onto someone's computer without them having a clue.

I work in information security. There's a type of attack called drive-by download. Usually, the payload is malware but it could easily be images or videos.

Windows systems often come with file sharing turned on. All i need is to do is be on the same lan segment as the victim and can copy all kinds of stuff over.

Your client is correct.

SeaFields

SeaFields wrote: »

100% doesn't add up. Be mindful that the woman went with a plea of guilty even with having the advice of senior counsel. Based on what's in the media most posters see her as having had a very stateable defence. It's what is not in the story is what would fill the gaps.

Having thought about it, and this is speculative, I'm surmising that there was all manner of dodgy goings-on in that house and she was counting her lucky stars that the gardai focused on the video. She pled guilty so they wouldn't go digging further.

GreeBo

The vast majority of whatsapp users have no idea that any media sent to them in a message is stored in multiple places linked to them
1) Whatsapp application itself
2) Phone storage
3) Manufacturers cloud (Samsung, Apple, Xiaomi, etc)
4) Google/Apple cloud


and other other "sync" location you have enabled.

Quantum Erasure

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Sounds harsh?

Not to me it doesn't. Fúck her, she should have been jailed..

jailed?

bit harsh, no?

sbsquarepants

No.

She effectively covered up for some dirtbag spreading around videos of a kid being raped for his own kicks.

Jail is the place for her in my opinion. I have zero sympathy for her.

sbsquarepants

sbsquarepants wrote: »

No.

She effectively covered up for some dirtbag spreading around videos of a kid being raped for his own kicks.

Jail is the place for her in my opinion. I have zero sympathy for her.

Your read of the facts is very different to mine.

lawred2

If I got a video sent to me like that, I'd have taken the phone immediately to the guards.

sbsquarepants

Deleted User wrote: »

Your read of the facts is very different to mine.

Can you explain your reading of them to me so?

osarusan

sbsquarepants wrote: »

No.

She effectively covered up for some dirtbag spreading around videos of a kid being raped for his own kicks.

Jail is the place for her in my opinion. I have zero sympathy for her.

The judge said in court that not reporting this to the police is not a criminal offence.

lawred2

osarusan wrote: »

The judge said in court that not reporting this to the police is not a criminal offence.

it fu*king well should be

something for our legislators to think about

Sir Oxman

GreeBo wrote: »

The vast majority of whatsapp users have no idea that any media sent to them in a message is stored in multiple places linked to them
1) Whatsapp application itself
2) Phone storage
3) Manufacturers cloud (Samsung, Apple, Xiaomi, etc)
4) Google/Apple cloud


and other other "sync" location you have enabled.

Yep, default settings are save to gallery (local storage) which in turn if you have one of those big cloud providers setup auto syncs the gallery to your cloud.


I have my phone degoogled, don't use the big cloud guys and those default whatsapp settings for media all turned off.

Have had some really nasty sh1tty stuff sent to me in group chats and by individuals in my contact list (not child abuse stuff thank fck)

sbsquarepants

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Can you explain your reading of them to me so?

It would be jailable, IMO, if she went looking for the material, asked for it, distributed it to others, or assisted in its production.

Instead, she received it without requesting it. Not reporting it is not a chargeable offence, so she did nothing wrong there, and she deleted it, just not as effectively as she intended though.

minikin

Do these things:

1. Leave groups that contain headbangers that send out random crap.

2. Turn off this option:
Settings / Chats / Save to Camera Roll (on iPhone).

3. Eyes back on the road, keep in the left lane.

sbsquarepants

osarusan wrote: »

The judge said in court that not reporting this to the police is not a criminal offence.

Deleted User wrote: »

It would be jailable, IMO, if she went looking for the material, asked for it, distributed it to others, or assisted in its production.

Instead, she received it without requesting it. Not reporting it is not a chargeable offence, so she did nothing wrong there, and she deleted it, just not as effectively as she intended though.

I'll half accept your points so, albeit begrudgingly

What she should have done is brought it to the cops and let them deal with who sent it to her, that's what i'd have done and what i think any normal thinking person should do. At that point then fine, she didn't ask for it and she's actively trying to help catch the culprit so it would be unfair to charge her with possessing it.

But she didn't do that, she just turned her back and knowingly allowed someone to keep spreading child abuse videos with impunity, she might not have spread them herself, but her silence aided and abetted. So when she gets caught with it on her phone - fúck her, charge her with possession and treat her like anyone else caught with that shít.

Tired Gardener

sbsquarepants wrote: »

I'll half accept your points so, albeit begrudgingly

What she should have done is brought it to the cops and let them deal with who sent it to her, that's what i'd have done and what i think any normal thinking person should do. At that point then fine, she didn't ask for it and she's actively trying to help catch the culprit so it would be unfair to charge her with possessing it.

But she didn't do that, she just turned her back and knowingly allowed someone to keep spreading child abuse videos with impunity, she might not have spread them herself, but her silence aided and abetted. So when she gets caught with it on her phone - fúck her, charge her with possession and treat her like anyone else caught with that shít.

She may have deleted it out of disgust and shock of the video. Seeing something of that level will disturb a lot of people and they may not react with a rational mindset. Also by deleting it she may have thought that she had no evidence to show to the Gardaí. Not everyone is tech savvy.

Ignorance while not an excuse, can be something that directs people's actions/choices.

Tired Gardener

Tired Gardener wrote: »

She may have deleted it out of disgust and shock of the video. Seeing something of that level will disturb a lot of people and they may not react with a rational mindset. Also by deleting it she may have thought that she had no evidence to show to the Gardaí. Not everyone is tech savvy.

Ignorance while not an excuse, can be something that directs people's actions/choices.

We also don't know how much of it she watched. For myself, I'd probably get a couple of seconds in, realize no, this ain't my bag baby, and just delete it. I may not be aware of its full conclusion.

How she managed to delete it from the conversation but keep the media file is the puzzle for me though.

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

Having thought about it, and this is speculative, I'm surmising that there was all manner of dodgy goings-on in that house and she was counting her lucky stars that the gardai focused on the video. She pled guilty so they wouldn't go digging further.

Must have been fair "dodgy" if she chose to take a conviction on possession of "child pornography".

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

Must have been fair "dodgy" if she chose to take a conviction on possession of "child pornography".

Dodgy enough for the house to get raided by the guards.

Kimbot

[Deleted User] wrote: »

How she managed to delete it from the conversation but keep the media file is the puzzle for me though.

She probably wasn't aware that all files received are automatically downloaded to the phone. Some people just aren't tech savvy

Kimbot

Kimbot wrote: »

She probably wasn't aware that all files received are automatically downloaded to the phone. Some people just aren't tech savvy

Yes but she would have to have unticked the box saying "Remove media from phone". Thats the mystery for me.

I completely understand she maybe wasn't tech savvy, so why untick that box which is ticked by default.

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

Dodgy enough for the house to get raided by the guards.

For suspected "fraud". Which I would infinitely prefer to have a charge on than what she was convicted for.

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

For suspected "fraud". Which I would infinitely prefer to have a charge on than what she was convicted for.

Where did you get fraud from?

The article says: "The woman was not the target of this operation but her phone was seized from the house during the search."

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

Where did you get fraud from?

The article says: "The woman was not the target of this operation but her phone was seized from the house during the search."

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/what-should-you-do-if-you-receive-a-video-of-child-abuse-1.4161875

When gardaí uncovered the video on Omorouyi’s phone during an unrelated fraud investigation they were obliged to send a file to the DPP

kirving

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yes but she would have to have unticked the box saying "Remove media from phone". Thats the mystery for me.

I completely understand she maybe wasn't tech savvy, so why untick that box which is ticked by default.

It's not that simple, and not how it works for me on the latest version of Android.

I just tested it out, and when I delete a picture the popup box says "Delete media in this chat [✓]"

I'm not sure of the meaning of this at all, and searching online for that option gives nothing. Whether I select or deselect it, the picture is deleted in the chat, and also on the Group Media folder within the chat.

But in either option, it still stays inside a folder in my Gallery. My Gallery app is set to show photos taken by my camera only.

Even if I deselect "Media Visibility [ ] Show newly downloaded media in your phone's gallery" , pictures are still downloaded, and can still be accessed by a File Explorer app, but be hidden from view in the standard gallery. Lots of people would have this selected so as not to clutter their gallery.

None of those options are sufficiently clear in my view, and even as someone who is well up on technology, I think it's completely reasonable to think something has been deleted successfully when it has not been.

Prisoner 0922156

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Heres an idea, next time the Gardai lift one of the Kinahans or Hutch gang members for questioning, get Mary in the office to send him some child porn over whatsapp, and then charge him with possession.

It's the modern day equivalent of planting drugs on a suspect.
Would work beautifully!

Sir Oxman

Kevin Irving wrote: »

It's not that simple, and not how it works for me on the latest version of Android.

I just tested it out, and when I delete a picture the popup box says "Delete media in this chat [✓]"

I'm not sure of the meaning of this at all, and searching online for that option gives nothing. Whether I select or deselect it, the picture is deleted in the chat, and also on the Group Media folder within the chat.

But in either option, it still stays inside a folder in my Gallery. My Gallery app is set to show photos taken by my camera only.

Even if I deselect "Media Visibility [ ] Show newly downloaded media in your phone's gallery" , pictures are still downloaded, and can still be accessed by a File Explorer app, but be hidden from view in the standard gallery. Lots of people would have this selected so as not to clutter their gallery.

None of those options are sufficiently clear in my view, and even as someone who is well up on technology, I think it's completely reasonable to think something has been deleted successfully when it has not been.

Jaysus, you're right!
I have all those options turned off, but my phone still saves videos and images (that I have downloaded manually) from whatsapp in the Whatsapp folder on my internal storage.
Bastards.