Are Lodgers usually late with paying rent?

TheBoyConor

These licence agreements are all well and good on paper but, like anything, who is going to enforce it?

You just have to be stern and not accept any guff. They pay by standing order only, if they have a problem they are out the door. If they object then their licence is withdrawn and the gardai can escort them from the property.

Irish_peppa

TheBoyConor wrote: »

These licence agreements are all well and good on paper but, like anything, who is going to enforce it?

You just have to be stern and not accept any guff. They pay by standing order only, if they have a problem they are out the door. If they object then their licence is withdrawn and the gardai can escort them from the property.

Ah sure they all say they have set up standing orders when they move in but alas their must be a banking fault when it appears anywhere from 2nd to 6th of month.:rolleyes: Again thats on my licence that "i dont accept cash and I dont accept manual payments. I only accept Standing orders. They let on they set it up but they actually dont as im never paid on any particular date by anyone and never have. Im going to start kicking ass and chewing bubble gum.:cool:

TheBoyConor

Well that's it like. They are all chancers.

You have two choices - 1) put up with excuses and erratic payments or 2) lay down the law and hold your ground and be prepared to follow through with eject people from the property if the think they can call your bluff.

At the end of the day, that is what it boils down to.

funkyuser

Just wondering if it might be a good idea to reward good behaviour rather than punish bad behaviour.

Ask for 420 euro rent, and give them 5 or 10 euro back for each early payment, but hold the reward money and pay it back every 6 months, or else they might start acting as if 410 is the amount to be paid, make sure its understood that the full payment is actually 420.

Might be too late for the Original Poster to do this

funkyuser

funkyuser wrote: »

Just wondering if it might be a good idea to reward good behaviour rather than punish bad behaviour.

Ask for 420 euro rent, and give them 5 or 10 euro back for each early payment, but hold the reward money and pay it back every 6 months, or else they might start acting as if 410 is the amount to be paid, make sure its understood that the full payment is actually 420.

Might be too late for the Original Poster to do this

What ever you do op do not even consider the above. Get the full amount on time or kick them out. Why anyone would give a refund I have no idea.

Wesser

No its not normal. My tenants always pay bang on time.

Purple Mountain

Wesser wrote: »

No its not normal. My tenants always pay bang on time.

I rented for approximately 6 years in a few different houses.
Never once was I late paying my landlord.

Antares35

Irish_peppa wrote: »

Thanks for all your replies, I have amended the Licence to "rent must be paid on or before the 1st of the month"
Also I just found out to my surprise I can alter my payment date with the bank! I didnt realise you could adjust your Mortgage Payment date so have changed the mortgage payment date to the 5th of the month to allow for late rents !:cool: That gives me some great breathing room. :cool:

I must do that and get mine altered to the 5th feb 2050! glad you got it sorted:)

Irish_peppa

Irish_peppa wrote: »

Thanks for all your replies, I have amended the Licence to "rent must be paid on or before the 1st of the month"
Also I just found out to my surprise I can alter my payment date with the bank! I didnt realise you could adjust your Mortgage Payment date so have changed the mortgage payment date to the 5th of the month to allow for late rents !:cool: That gives me some great breathing room. :cool:

Not much good changing the wording on paper if you don’t confront the rouge licensees about it and put your foot very strongly down.

Irish_peppa

funkyuser wrote: »

Just wondering if it might be a good idea to reward good behaviour rather than punish bad behaviour.

Ask for 420 euro rent, and give them 5 or 10 euro back for each early payment, but hold the reward money and pay it back every 6 months, or else they might start acting as if 410 is the amount to be paid, make sure its understood that the full payment is actually 420.

Might be too late for the Original Poster to do this

I thought about this, then i thought... wait a second I would be rewarding them for doing what they agreed to do in the first place. Might make me look a bit eager or desperate to keep them in the house:pac: I decided against it. But thanks for suggestion!

Irish_peppa

Alonzo Odd Gallbladder wrote: »

Not much good changing the wording on paper if you don’t confront the rouge licensees about it and put your foot very strongly down.

If im not in the mood of confrontation I can always subtract it from the deposit when they are leaving (I have put this clause into licence too). I have also put a limit on late rent to a max of 3 times in any 6 month period. After which automatic eviction. Also there is a max late days of 7 after which eviction too. So any late fees there should be more then enough in the deposit to cover. But to avoid any hot heads ill just maybe say it in a text message diplomatically.

Claw Hammer

The thing to do is throw out you existing lodgers and get some new ones. The first time they are late with the rent, change the lock on the front door when they are out. when they get back and query it say "are you still living here?" explain that when you didn't get the rent you thought they had left.

Irish_peppa

Claw Hammer wrote: »

The thing to do is throw out you existing lodgers and get some new ones. The first time they are late with the rent, change the lock on the front door when they are out. when they get back and query it say "are you still living here?" explain that when you didn't get the rent you thought they had left.

Lol "claw hammer" be the lord your ruthless you certainly live up to your name:p. Its not really in my nature to do that. ( I bloody WISH i was like that sometimes ):mad:
But i shall CERTAINLY be cracking down on the late rents forthwith. This thread is 100% on the assertion rent should be on time. I thought I might get some "leave them be a few days its only a Rent A Room Private Lodger its normal to be late" but I now feel comfortable setting the boundaries around it:cool:
Thanks All for the advice and Im taking it on board:D

JohnnyChimpo

Claw Hammer wrote: »

The thing to do is throw out you existing lodgers and get some new ones. The first time they are late with the rent, change the lock on the front door when they are out. when they get back and query it say "are you still living here?" explain that when you didn't get the rent you thought they had left.

Thats a good way to end up in the High Court over a 2-days late rent payment alright. Not that you would ever do this, it's just internet tough talk

JohnnyChimpo

JohnnyChimpo wrote: »

Thats a good way to end up in the High Court over a 2-days late rent payment alright. Not that you would ever do this, it's just internet tough talk

How do you envisage the op ending up in the hight court (or any court)? He has guests staying in his house with zero rights. If they were never late with rent he could ask them to leave with minimal notice for any reason he wished (or no reason at all).

I would be inclined to agree with him though, these lodgers have proved to be bad by consistent late rent. Getting rid of them and get in new lodgers who have the law laid down to them from day one would appear to be a reasonable course of action.

Claw Hammer

JohnnyChimpo wrote: »

Thats a good way to end up in the High Court over a 2-days late rent payment alright. Not that you would ever do this, it's just internet tough talk

You must be joking. Someone who is a lodger staying in rental property and can't or won't pay their rent on time is going to go and pay a legal team to get them back into a property where they will be asked politely to leave with an hours notice anyway? That is just internet scare talk.

pinktoe

Irishpeppa, are you asking for previous landlord and work references?

riclad

A lodger is not a tenant,he does not have the legal rights a tenant has.he is wasting money paying a solicitor.most lodgers pay on thursday or friday.rent is paid every week.Its hard enough to find good quality rental accomodation .A landlord
with a lodger should have a deposit ,at least 400 euro.
if the lodger is working why cna he not pay the rent?

Arklow10

Be firm at the beginning . Rent in your account by the 1st. Period. If late give a warning letter.If this occurs more than three time, they are leaving. Be polite and firm from the beginning. If halfway through a lease or semester etc..? currently to claw back what was agreed from the outset.
When you let again - give a rules of the house sheet - first item is rent in your account by 1st (up to them how to do this).

Irish_peppa

pinktoe wrote: »

Irishpeppa, are you asking for previous landlord and work references?

Yes they all checked out. Its not they dont have the cash they just know ill say nothing. They can see Im a soft touch. I being more assertive now anyway :cool:

Irish_peppa

riclad wrote: »

A lodger is not a tenant,he does not have the legal rights a tenant has.he is wasting money paying a solicitor.most lodgers pay on thursday or friday.rent is paid every week.Its hard enough to find good quality rental accomodation .A landlord
with a lodger should have a deposit ,at least 400 euro.
if the lodger is working why cna he not pay the rent?

Lol well he did comment after handing me initial deposit that renting rooms " is easy money" so possibly thats the mentality. Its not that easy sometimes there are sacifices we all have to make.:pac: Everytime he handed rent over he would say something like "well theres your money, beans on toast for me for the month" but I found it kinda uncomfortable too. I then told him to leave the rent in a drawer or send via bank as every month there was a different comment that would leave me feeling guilty for taking the rent. Best was "I had to buy books for my kids back home but your rent had to come first sure they can wait I guess" My face :eek::o his face

Claw Hammer

Irish_peppa wrote: »

Lol well he did comment after handing me initial deposit that renting rooms " is easy money" so possibly thats the mentality. Its not that easy sometimes there are sacifices we all have to make.:pac: Everytime he handed rent over he would say something like "well theres your money, beans on toast for me for the month" but I found it kinda uncomfortable too. I then told him to leave the rent in a drawer or send via bank as every month there was a different comment that would leave me feeling guilty for taking the rent. Best was "I had to buy books for my kids back home but your rent had to come first sure they can wait I guess" My face :eek::o his face

Once you sense resentment from a tenant or a lodger, you should get rid of them life is too short to be pulling up at and things will inevitably end up on bad terms.

enricoh

Irish_peppa wrote: »

Lol well he did comment after handing me initial deposit that renting rooms " is easy money" so possibly thats the mentality. Its not that easy sometimes there are sacifices we all have to make.:pac: Everytime he handed rent over he would say something like "well theres your money, beans on toast for me for the month" but I found it kinda uncomfortable too. I then told him to leave the rent in a drawer or send via bank as every month there was a different comment that would leave me feeling guilty for taking the rent. Best was "I had to buy books for my kids back home but your rent had to come first sure they can wait I guess" My face :eek::o his face

Time to hit the road Jack! His mother will need an operation next month!

CollyFlower

Irish_peppa wrote: »

Lol well he did comment after handing me initial deposit that renting rooms " is easy money" so possibly thats the mentality. Its not that easy sometimes there are sacifices we all have to make.:pac: Everytime he handed rent over he would say something like "well theres your money, beans on toast for me for the month" but I found it kinda uncomfortable too. I then told him to leave the rent in a drawer or send via bank as every month there was a different comment that would leave me feeling guilty for taking the rent. Best was "I had to buy books for my kids back home but your rent had to come first sure they can wait I guess" My face :eek::o his face

Tell him to grow up, that none of us would have a roof over our heads if you didn't pay the mortgage.... I wouldn't recommend he put the rent in a drawer, bank transfer would be best.

Graces7

TheBoyConor wrote: »

It is your house and your rules.

Tell them that you have new payment terms - standing order only to be made on a particular date each month. Effective immediately. if they have a problem with it they know where the door is.

They see you as a soft touch and you'll do nothing so they are taking the piss."


Perfect reply. Being a nice guy and being the fall guy are two entirely different things. Firm but fair.

the_syco

Irish_peppa wrote: »

"well theres your money, beans on toast for me for the month"

Irish_peppa wrote: »

"I had to buy books for my kids back home but your rent had to come first sure they can wait I guess"

Give him his notice to GTFO.

beggars_bush

You wil struggle to find any lodgers from here on

Irish_peppa

beggars_bush wrote: »

You wil struggle to find any lodgers from here on

:eek: Why what happened? The corona virus? Sure the people that needed a roof over their heads 1 month ago still need accommodation dont they. Their will be job losses but most people who loose their jobs are entitled to rent supplement which I have no problem accepting at all, possibly unlike proffesional landlords he may not want HAP tenants

Mic 1972

beggars_bush wrote: »

You wil struggle to find any lodgers from here on

Probably the other way around. As a LL i have given notice to my lodgers as I don't want to take my chances with the virus. As a result they are both having a hard time finding accommodation at the moment due to people being scared of infection.

Irish_peppa

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Probably the other way around. As a LL i have given notice to my lodgers as I don't want to take my chances with the virus. As a result they are both having a hard time finding accommodation at the moment due to people being scared of infection.

Hi Mic, You own the property? How many weeks have you given them? To be honest It did cross my mind for them to leave but also but I didnt want to add to their stresses as their jobs are also under threat now. So I will have a word re personal hygiene and just see how it goes. Yes it is scary having them coming and going from the house but I am keeping myself away from them and only communicating via watsapp:cool: