Immigration and the housing crisis

alastair

TwoMonthsOff wrote: »

They should be put up against a wall. You know the rest.

You lads seem very bitter and discontented. How are you going to food tomorrow, when, once again the electorate reject all the ethno-state dead-enders?

weldoninhio

alastair wrote: »

She was a student in Ireland, and registered here - hence couldn’t make a claim in the UK. Her claim was transferred back here.

Her right to, and indeed success in, applying here is a matter of record - since she attained leave to remain.

This account places her as a student in Bristol university between 2007 and 2010, then returning to Malawi before getting a student visa in Ireland, then applying for UK asylum. It also has her applying for Irish asylum a year later than stated, followed by a lengthy stay in the UK.

She was in the UK before she ever got to Ireland.


Edit: However, The Sunday Times has established that Kisyombe studied at Bristol University between 2007 and 2010 before returning to Malawi. She arrived in Ireland on or about April 30, 2011, and was granted a student visa that allowed her to remain here to study until June 15, 2012.

Soon after arriving in Ireland, Kisyombe travelled to the UK where she applied for asylum. In July 2011 she was screened at the Croydon asylum unit in London.

alastair

TwoMonthsOff wrote: »

We'll continue hunting dogs like you down. People like you are being targeted at long last.

You’ll keep blowing hot air in the face of a populace who reject your fearfulness. That’s all you’ll do.

TwoMonthsOff

alastair wrote: »

You’ll keep blowing hot air in the face of a populace who reject your fearfulness. That’s all you’ll do.

We'll see if your saying that when you're getting dragged out of your inner city bedsit.

alastair

weldoninhio wrote: »

This account places her as a student in Bristol university between 2007 and 2010, then returning to Malawi before getting a student visa in Ireland, then applying for UK asylum. It also has her applying for Irish asylum a year later than stated, followed by a lengthy stay in the UK.

She was in the UK before she ever got to Ireland.

She came to Ireland in 2011, and was registered here. It doesn’t really matter that she was in the UK beforehand. The UK authorities determined that she had to make her claim, which she made after getting an Irish visa, in Ireland, not the UK.

ghost of ireland past

The Irish are sick and tired of weird people lecturing them on nationalism and racism.

There is nothing wrong with putting the Irish first.

Anyone who thinks different is obviously weird and mentally ill. They should be pitied, not engaged with.

By engaging with them you are causing them pain. Please stop causing them pain by telling the truth.

alastair

TwoMonthsOff wrote: »

We'll see if your saying that when you're getting dragged out of your inner city bedsit.

Best of luck with that. I’ll not be losing any sleep. 🤡

alastair

ghost of ireland past wrote: »

The Irish are sick and tired of weird people lecturing them on nationalism and racism.

There is nothing wrong with putting the Irish first.

Anyone who thinks different is obviously weird and mentally ill. They should be pitied, not engaged with.

By engaging with them you are causing them pain. Please stop causing them pain by telling the truth.

You’re painful alright, but not for the reasons you think.

ghost of ireland past

What do you mean?

Beasty

TwoMonthsOff is banned from posting in this thread again

joeysoap

To be fair the number of asylum seekers isn’t the whole story. When is the last time you saw a family of asylum seekers without multiple kids? So the actual number may be somewhat misleading. How come Portugal has 30% of the applicants we have? Is it picking and choosing? Or something else.? More than double our population too.

Bound to putting a strain on hospitals, schools and houses. as we were taught in primary school 10 into 9 won’t go.

Kivaro

joeysoap wrote: »

To be fair the number of asylum seekers isn’t the whole story. When is the last time you saw a family of asylum seekers without multiple kids? So the actual number may be somewhat misleading. How come Portugal has 30% of the applicants we have? Is it picking and choosing? Or something else.? More than double our population too.

Bound to putting a strain on hospitals, schools and houses. as we were taught in primary school 10 into 9 won’t go.

But that will not stop the huge amount of people arriving in the country, both illegally or using the asylum process and those entering legally. The resources and infrastructure is not in place to handle these numbers. But Simon Coveney and the likes of the Green Party want 10 Million people in Ireland.
Something will seriously break very soon.

ghost of ireland past

I'm due to be banned today but I do want to say that immigration is destroying our society before I'm banned.

The housing crisis is caused almost entirely by immigration. That is obvious yet many people deny it.

Why are we so delusional in Ireland and in the west?

Stop believing the lies that the media and the politicians say.

Vote for something new.

Wanderer78

ghost of ireland past wrote:

The housing crisis is caused almost entirely by immigration. That is obvious yet many people deny it.

....and it has nothing to do with the financialisation of our economies, in particular in relation to housing and land?

ghost of ireland past

What do you mean?

The 400,000 foreigners living in Irish houses is part of the problem, if not the entire problem. If they all went home there'd be loads of houses.

What is this stuff about financialisation of our economies?
It sounds like a distraction.

Wanderer78

ghost of ireland past wrote:

What is this stuff about financialisation of our economies? It sounds like a distraction.

Oh ffs! There's loads of people writing about this now, but I'm sure they're a part of the global conspiracy to distract and deflect, so carry on I guess

dxhound2005

ghost of ireland past wrote: »

What do you mean?

The 400,000 foreigners living in Irish houses is part of the problem, if not the entire problem. If they all went home there'd be loads of houses.

What is this stuff about financialisation of our economies?
It sounds like a distraction.

If we got the millions of Irish people back in exchange, the problem would be worse. But there is no need to send anyone home, because we have 200,000 empty houses. The population went up by over a million since the year 2000. Back then some people thought the country was full.

James Brown

If we had zero people coming here we'd still be breaking records.

Companies build to rent. Local buyer priced out or not even considered.
Rents rise.
Low income workers need state aid.
The state buy and leases off companies who are taxed lightly.
This encourages them to buy/build more.
Prices stay high.
More people need state aid.
State leases more built to rent...

This cannot continue.

Mr. teddywinkles

Wanderer78 wrote: »

....and it has nothing to do with the financialisation of our economies, in particular in relation to housing and land?

People are stating that it's part of the problem not the sole cause. And please people stop referencing the famine. It just makes ya sound stupid.

Wanderer78

Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »

People are stateing that it's part of the problem not the sole cause.

id imagine there are many complex issues occurring simultaneously, regarding housing, but you d have to ask, why has housing and land become so expensive over the last couple of decades, and why are so many countries having almost identical problems regarding it. many have linked this to financialisation, and have gone to great depths in trying to explain it, i suspect theyre bang on.

dxhound2005

When lending rules were relaxed, it became easy to borrow enough to buy a house. Which prompted a lot of building. That was during the so called Tiger, and turned out to be a big mistake.

Before that and since, lending rules makes it harder to afford loan repayments. At no time before the Tiger was it easy to buy a house. Even though there was no immigration. It was so difficult that in the 1980's the government had to introduce a £3,000 first time buyers grant.

And mortgage interest rates were increased regularly, unlike now. My repayments went from what would now be the equivalent of €1,000 going up to €1,600 a month, in the course of a few months, shortly after I got a mortgage.

Wanderer78

dxhound2005 wrote: »

When lending rules were relaxed, it became easy to borrow enough to buy a house. Which prompted a lot of building. That was during the so called Tiger, and turned out to be a big mistake.

Before that and since, lending rules makes it harder to afford loan repayments. At no time before the Tiger was it easy to buy a house. Even though there was no immigration. It was so difficult that in the 1980's the government had to introduce a £3,000 first time buyers grant.

And mortgage interest rates were increased regularly, unlike now. My repayments went from what would now be the equivalent of €1,000 going up to €1,600 a month, in the course of a few months, shortly after I got a mortgage.

yup, its all down to 'credit', hence why we had a 'credit crisis'. we re now in a situation whereby nobody really knows what to do next, and we re still left with the debts from the previous credit bubble

dxhound2005

Wanderer78 wrote: »

yup, its all down to 'credit', hence why we had a 'credit crisis'. we re now in a situation whereby nobody really knows what to do next, and we re still left with the debts from the previous credit bubble

The negative equity part of the problem is well on the way to resolution. Which should make the mortgage arrears issue a thing of the past. That was the big hangover from the madness years. And if everyone can afford to sell with no mortgage debt, that makes them more mobile in the market.

We always had the same problem of lack of accommodation in Dublin with a surplus elsewhere. It wasn't called a crisis in the past. But there is the new element of landlords bailing out, and leaving sitting tenants with nowhere to go.

Wanderer78

dxhound2005 wrote: »

The negative equity part of the problem is well on the way to resolution. Which should make the mortgage arrears issue a thing of the past. That was the big hangover from the madness years. And if everyone can afford to sell with no mortgage debt, that makes them more mobile in the market.

We always had the same problem of lack of accommodation in Dublin with a surplus elsewhere. It wasn't called a crisis in the past.

the last crash was extremely serious, it was a major global event, and we havent addressed the underlining issues that caused it, the majority of the debts behind it all still exist, theyve just been spread out, including across public debt, we re watching all this fail in slow motion

dxhound2005

Wanderer78 wrote: »

the last crash was extremely serious, it was a major global event, and we havent addressed the underlining issues that caused it, the majority of the debts behind it all still exist, theyve just been spread out, including across public debt, we re watching all this fail in slow motion

We have big national debts, but it would be mad to spend more money now paying them back. If and when inflation returns, then it will make sense. Because more recent borrowing has been at very low fixed rates, and we converted a lot of the previous debts to lower rates. But we are not out of step with the norm in capitalism. Every country is in debt.

Wanderer78

dxhound2005 wrote: »

We have big national debts, but it would be mad to spend more money now paying them back. If and when inflation returns, then it will make sense. But we are not out of step with the norm in capitalism. Every country is in debt.

national debt isnt really the problem, its private debt, this is globally speaking, we re effectively too indebted, hence why theres a slow trend towards stagnation, globally speaking. this private dept has been largely due to the financialisation of our economies. we have to start addressing this rapid rise in private debt

dxhound2005

Wanderer78 wrote: »

national debt isnt really the problem, its private debt, this is globally speaking, we re effectively too indebted, hence why theres a slow trend towards stagnation, globally speaking. this private dept has been largely due to the financialisation of our economies. we have to start addressing this rapid rise in private debt

I don't know the figures, but we are also supposed to be one of he countries with the most private savings.

Wanderer78

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I don't know the figures, but we are also supposed to be one of he countries with the most private savings.

we do indeed have very strong private savings, but we re now left in a situation whereby many younger people are unable to purchase their own homes, many simply never will, the rapid rise in house prices, along side other issues has wrecked their chances, we need to rethink this, fast

dxhound2005

Wanderer78 wrote: »

we do indeed have very strong private savings, but we re now left in a situation whereby many younger people are unable to purchase their own homes, many simply never will, the rapid rise in house prices, along side other issues has wrecked their chances, we need to rethink this, fast

If we become more of a nation of renters, it will make us more European. But again without knowing the numbers, I think there are hundreds of thousands of new mortgages in the last few years, so some people are able to get on the ladder. I don't think it was much easier in the past.

It is true that there is a transfer of wealth going on from the working age population to the retired population. This will have to be addressed by increasing welfare to the working people, or reducing it for the retired. The welfare budget is funded from current taxation. Not as some people think, their taxes being used to build up their own social welfare pension fund.

Wanderer78

dxhound2005 wrote: »

If we become more of a nation of renters, it will make us more European. But again without knowing the numbers, I think there are hundreds of thousands of new mortgages in the last few years, so some people are able to get on the ladder. I don't think it was much easier in the past.

It is true that there is a transfer of wealth going on from the working age population to the retired population. This will have to be addressed by increasing welfare to the working people, or reducing it for the retired. The welfare budget is funded from current taxation. Not as some people think, their taxes being used to build up their own social welfare pension fund.

yea its a major mess, we ll eventually be forced into dealing with these issues, but humans being humans, we ll keep kicking those cans as long as we can