Immigration and the housing crisis

alastair

Donald Trump wrote: »

Ok. So you would correct the black fella for calling himself an African American?




We know you would correct the Irish-American for calling himself Irish. A bit trickier when it comes to the black fella though isn't it?


How about an intermediate one. You know, along the woke scale but not as high profile as the African Americans. How about a Mexican American who was born and grew up in the US, speaking only Spanish who identifies as Mexican. Will you tell them they can't do that because they don't have a Mexican passport?

It’s not tricky at all. They are all American. If they have a right to another nationality then they have a right to claim dual nationalities. Speaking Spanish in the US is not an issue - it’s one of the many languages used in that country.

iebamm2580

alastair wrote: »

And? He has English ancestry through his father. Could it possibly be that ancestry isn’t particularly important in defining nationality?

I know a few Africans from my soccer club and they are proud of their ancestral heritage but also consider themselves irish, nothing wrong in either scenario. Ancestry shouldn't be ignored is what im saying. Just like irish american-irish nigerian, nothing wrong with them titles.

4068ac1elhodqr

alastair wrote: »

There are a 1.5 million odd Syrian refugees in Lebanon, a country half the size of Leinster. Is that ‘fair’ or is it an international responsibility? Asylum isn’t charity.

However Syrians barely register on IPO applications of recent, instead it's all the (not at war) countries such as Albania (99.7% rejection rates), Georgia, Zim, SA, Nigeria and so on.

Is it fair that chancers are taking up resources that could be made available to genuine cases such as these Syrians.

alastair

iebamm2580 wrote: »

I know a few Africans from my soccer club and they are proud of their ancestral heritage but also consider themselves irish, nothing wrong in either scenario. Ancestry shouldn't be ignored is what im saying. Just like irish american-irish nigerian, nothing wrong with them titles.

Nobody is ignoring it. It just doesn’t have any real bearing on national identity. It may or may not be a route into a nationality, but it’s generally an irrelevance.

iebamm2580

alastair wrote: »

Nobody is ignoring it. It just doesn’t have any real bearing on national identity. It may or may not be a route into a nationality, but it’s generally an irrelevance.

We have different view points to an extent and thats fine.

alastair

Lydia Juicy Hairpiece wrote: »

However Syrians barely register on IPO applications of recent, instead it's all the (not at war) countries such as Albania (99.7% rejection rates), Georgia, Zim, SA, Nigeria and so on.

Is it fair that chancers are taking up resources that could be made available to genuine cases such as these Syrians.

The mechanism for determining genuine cases of asylum claims is the investigation of individual cases. That’s what we do. Plenty of Nigerian and SA claims have been approved btw.

alastair

iebamm2580 wrote: »

We have different view points to an extent and thats fine.

We certainly do. If you believe anyone born here is Irish, as you claim, then you need to ditch this whole CF genetic marker stuff as having anything to do with Irishness.

4068ac1elhodqr

alastair wrote: »

Plenty of Nigerian and SA claims have been approved btw.

LOL!

Have you got figures for that?
Because I have (for the whole 2018).

I can tell you your version of 'plenty' is yet another 'head in the sand' type of notion.
Indeed a biased falsehood, and twisted self-serving viewpoint of sorts.

It indicates you may not even care about the (genuine) Syrians, if you prop up such false stats.

weldoninhio

alastair wrote: »

There’s zero obligation to feed and house ‘anyone on earth that manages to make it to the island’. There IS an obligation to hear claims for asylum from those who make it here for the purpose of seeking asylum.

If those asylum claims are rejected - once again; no obligation to house and feed those claimants. They will be issued with deportation orders.

I'll make the jokes around here buddy!! :rolleyes::rolleyes:

PommieBast

weldoninhio wrote: »

How in the world does an EU national get a council house. Part of the agreement for freedom of movement is that you can support yourself in whatever country you head to. If you can't afford to rent or buy at market rates, you can't support yourself in that country and should be repatriated, which is 100% legal under EU law.

To my knowledge Ireland (and the UK before it left) is the only EU country that does not link access to benefits to a track record of contributions to state finances. Although often not enforced other EU countries actually have a 180-day limit for those who are not in the country to work.

alastair

Lydia Juicy Hairpiece wrote: »

LOL!

Have you got figures for that?
Because I have (for the whole 2018).

I can tell you your version of 'plenty' is yet another 'head in the sand' type of notion.
Indeed a biased falsehood, and twisted self-serving viewpoint of sorts.

It indicates you may not even care about the (genuine) Syrians, if you prop up such false stats.

Nothing false about it - successful asylum claims from Nigerians, or indeed Syrians, extend beyond one single year. And each case is assessed on it’s own merits, as it should be.

alastair

weldoninhio wrote: »

I'll make the jokes around here buddy!! :rolleyes::rolleyes:

That’s what happens. If you have any evidence to the contrary, feel free to provide it.

Eric Cartman

suicide_circus wrote: »

does immigration come with any negative consequences for the native population or is it 100% positive?

answers on a postcard please.

I think you wrote that the wrong way round, people all talk about that theres no negatives but can rarely bring positives except for ‘cheap labour’ which thise same people also abhore

4068ac1elhodqr

alastair wrote: »

Nothing false about it - successful asylum claims from a Nigerians, or Indeed Syrians, extend beyond one single year. And each case is assessed on it’s own merits as it should be.

Sounds like your backtracking now, dismissing the current context.


Syria was fine years ago, but now they're recovering from war (unlike others) alas, they've been pushed out by a clear majority of chancers in these recent times.



You've even stated their large numbers holed in in refugee camps, but now that does not matter to you.



Again, you don't really care about Syrians, despite your soundbites.


It's likely you've a vested fiscal contract to supply the centres, a part-time job there or some such, so just want anyone (from anywhere) to keep the numbers up and cheques rolling in.


Notice your 'plenty' figure for Nigera is actually 94.4% rejected:

weldoninhio

alastair wrote: »

That’s what happens. If you have any evidence to the contrary, feel free to provide it.

They may be issued with deportation orders. But then they whinge to the Bleeding Heart Brigade and get remain to leave. We are a soft touch.

weldoninhio

alastair wrote: »

The mechanism for determining genuine cases of asylum claims is the investigation of individual cases. That’s what we do. Plenty of Nigerian and SA claims have been approved btw.

https://www.thesun.ie/news/5055250/asylum-seeker-gay-death-threats-fathered-children-court/

Yup. :rolleyes:

alastair

Lydia Juicy Hairpiece wrote: »

Sounds like your backtracking now, dismissing the current context.


Syria was fine years ago, but now they're recovering from war (unlike others) alas, they've been pushed out by a clear majority of chancers in these recent times.



You've even stated their large numbers holed in in refugee camps, but now that does not matter to you.



Again, you don't really care about Syrians, despite your soundbites.


It's likely you've a vested fiscal contract to supply the centres, a part-time job there or some such, so just want anyone (from anywhere) to keep the numbers up and cheques rolling in.


Notice your 'plenty' figure for Nigera is actually 94.4% rejected:

Again - a single year isn’t indicative of the broader picture - there are plenty of Nigerians who have been given refugee status, or subsidiary protection here. The majority of subsidiary protection status recipients from 2010-2018 were from Nigeria, Congo, Pakistan, Zimbabwe and Ghana - 4,676 in all.


Syria still isn’t ‘fine’ btw.

4068ac1elhodqr

weldoninhio wrote: »

https://www.thesun.ie/news/5055250/asylum-seeker-gay-death-threats-fathered-children-court/

Yup. :rolleyes:

The lad was Nigerian, but claimed to be from a Western African state (to help his case) WA: where gay men were frowned upon (esp those with wives and loads of kids).

Described as a “complete fabrication”

Of course he has been served with deportation years ago, but launched an appeal. He also has a few different names, and tends to move around so can't be found easily.

4068ac1elhodqr

alastair wrote: »

Syria still isn’t ‘fine’ btw.

Of course it isn't.

But sure it doesn't get a look in, with all the false claims (with their extremely high type rejection rates). Aka 'chancers'.

alastair

weldoninhio wrote: »

https://www.thesun.ie/news/5055250/asylum-seeker-gay-death-threats-fathered-children-court/

Yup. :rolleyes:

Not sure what your issue is here - the guy’s asylum claim was rejected and he’s been issued with a deportation order.

alastair

Lydia Juicy Hairpiece wrote: »

Of course it isn't.

But sure it doesn't get a look in, with all the false claims (with their extremely high type rejection rates). Aka 'chancers'.

How do you imagine that works? Any Syrian making a claim isn’t stopped from doing so by another claimant.

4068ac1elhodqr

alastair wrote: »

Not sure what your issue is here - the guy’s asylum claim was rejected and he’s been issued with a deportation order.

Back in 2015, and never left.
You have no issue with this situation?

e.g.
The Department of Justice first issued a deportation order against him in 2015 — but they couldn’t find the man at that time. The order was reissued last August (and still hasn't left) He’s believed to have used a series of false names, aliases and ages over the years. Described as making a "mockery of the system".

Wonder how typical this is...

alastair

weldoninhio wrote: »

They may be issued with deportation orders. But then they whinge to the Bleeding Heart Brigade and get remain to leave. We are a soft touch.

The only mechanism for leave to remain, post deportation orders, is through the Minister’s office. Is he the bleeding heart brigade?

4068ac1elhodqr

alastair wrote: »

How do you imagine that works? Any Syrian making a claim isn’t stopped from doing so by another claimant.

People traffickers have a preference for whom ever pays their gang the most cash, irrespective of validity, the don't care about backstories. There's only so much room in the back of a truck or dingy.

Of course someone with more cash and connections, than a genuine war refugee is going to avail of better preferential access to traffickers.

alastair

Lydia Juicy Hairpiece wrote: »

Back in 2015, and never left.
You have no issue with this situation?

e.g.
The Department of Justice first issued a deportation order against him in 2015 — but they couldn’t find the man at that time. The order was reissued last August (and still hasn't left) He’s believed to have used a series of false names, aliases and ages over the years. Described as making a "mockery of the system".

Wonder how typical this is...

It’s newsworthy, so that might give you a clue as to how typical it is. The point is that his claim was rejected and he was given deportation orders - he’s one of the minority who will required an enforced deportation procedure. They run to 20% of deportations.

4068ac1elhodqr

alastair wrote: »

The only mechanism for leave to remain, post deportation orders, is through the Minister’s office. Is he the bleeding heart brigade?

The only real question is, whether or not he's been "made a mockery of", by illegal migrants acting in poor faith, using document fraud and supplying false information.

4068ac1elhodqr

alastair wrote: »

It’s newsworthy, so that might give you a clue as to how typical it is. The point is that his claim was rejected and he was given deportation orders - he’s one of the minority who will required an enforced deportation procedure. They run to 20% of deportations.

So all other 'illegal fraudulent migrants' are now suddenly 100% honest and comply.

Got it (eyeroll).

alastair

Lydia Juicy Hairpiece wrote: »

So all other 'illegal fraudulent migrants' are now suddenly 100% honest and comply.

Got it (eyeroll).

Do you generally have such difficulty with comprehension? There’s nothing illegal in having an asylum claim rejected.

ghost of ireland past

Would people just stop engaging with posters who aren't genuine.

The intention of those non-genuine posters is to close down all discussion of immigration, by being babies and liars about everything. They can't handle the truth and they should be pitied for that.

Stop engaging with them. They have nothing to say, except the same nonsense over and over.

Immigration is having a huge effect on this country, we have a housing crisis caused by immigration, and few people are ever deported.

Vote for new parties if you want something different, otherwise stop complaining. Irish people come across as being incapable of running their own country.

alastair

Lydia Juicy Hairpiece wrote: »

The only real question is, whether or not he's been "made a mockery of", by illegal migrants acting in poor faith, using document fraud and supplying false information.

Has he been offered leave to remain? Nope, he hasn’t. Question answered.