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Eoin Harris on Newstalk just now

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    #152
    gmisk
    Registered Users Posts: 33,105 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    bubblypop wrote: »
    This is it exactly, why in the world would everyone decide that sinn fein is the automatic party to turn to if you don't want FF or FG.
    There are other options, parties that are not aligned to terrorists.
    I don't disagree with you tbh.
    It's hard to answer but the fact the social Democrats will maybe get 3 seats says it all.


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    #153
    Edgware
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    Zetor19 wrote: »
    another “fair” debate alright. Ivan “the prod” and also a former tan td.
    Pathetic comment. The useful idiots are busy tonight.


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    #154
    The Rape of Lucretia
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    smurgen wrote: »
    I do wonder how Jewish people feel when people use their suffering to make comparisons between those who stuffed their relatives into ovens with political opponents or rivals such as in this instance.
    smurgen wrote: »
    Because you brought up Nazi's on several occasions.you should really take a break from the web for awhile.

    I made no reference to the suffering of the Jewish people. Are you unable to see the word Nazi without seeing the word Jew ?

    I refer only to the violent DNA in SF, and its record in murder, being worse than the Nazis before the Nazis came to power. SF has no politics save a 32 county republic. Any line trotted out is simply a alternative strategy to terrorism to achieve that end. A movement prepared to torture and bomb people will surely have no compunction whatsoever about mounting a political front if that is seen as an alternative strategy to achieve the same goal. People are being suckered into the facade that they are a real political party.


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    #155
    Fr_Dougal
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    Raconteuse wrote: »
    The scumbag nearly killed her - stabbing and beating her in front of their little boys.

    With that in mind, wouldn’t you think she’d have more sense than to play “Up da ‘ra” from her vehicle? Her husband is in the IRA.


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    #156
    almostover
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    That's a bit of a shocking post there. Really.

    Care to explain why? Wasn't McAuley convicted for killing Garda Jerry McCabe? Wasn't he also imprisoned for stabbing and beating Ms.Tully?


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    #157
    Raconteuse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Raconteuse


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    With that in mind, wouldn’t you think she’d have more sense than to play “Up da ‘ra” from her vehicle? Her husband is in the IRA.
    Yep, that's what I mean. Talk about Stockholm syndrome.


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    #158
    FrancieBrady
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    almostover wrote: »
    Care to explain why? Wasn't McAuley convicted for killing Garda Jerry McCabe? Wasn't he also imprisoned for stabbing and beating Ms.Tully?

    What has a man who beats women got to do with her decision to stay in SF?

    Men in all walks of life beat women, kill women and abuse them.


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    #159
    Raconteuse
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    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    I made no reference to the suffering of the Jewish people. Are you unable to see the word Nazi without seeing the word Jew ?

    I refer only to the violent DNA in SF, and its record in murder, being worse than the Nazis before the Nazis came to power. SF has no politics save a 32 county republic. Any line trotted out is simply a alternative strategy to terrorism to achieve that end. A movement prepared to torture and bomb people will surely have no compunction whatsoever about mounting a political front if that is seen as an alternative strategy to achieve the same goal. People are being suckered into the facade that they are a real political party.
    You know full well what they mean. Oh now you say "before the nazis came to power" - can't for the life of me figure out why you left that bit out previously :rolleyes:

    People who compare the nazis' atrocities with something that isn't comparable to the nazis' atrocities are diluting what the nazis did for their own dishonest ends, which is of course an insult to the survivors and the relatives of those who were killed.

    I really do not want SF to get in (although I don't think they'll commit genocide because I'm not an hysterical idiot), the provos were murderous bastards, but comparing SF, especially today's SF with the nazis is brainless.


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    #160
    FTA69
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    almostover wrote: »
    Firstly, it was an RIC commemoration, but I wouldn't expect you to understand nuance.

    Secondly, I disagreed with the RIC commemoration. It would have been wholly inappropriate.

    One can disagree with an RIC commemoration without resorting to sectarian slurs.

    The Black and Tans were part of the RIC mate, maybe have a look at the history of the "RIC reserve constables" before condescendingly lecturing people about nuance.


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    #161
    almostover
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    What has a man who beats women got to do with her decision to stay in SF?

    Men in all walks of life beat women, kill women and abuse them.

    Ah come on, she was married to a member of the provisional IRA. A proscribed terrorist organisation. A man who killed a Garda and tried to kill her. Clearly she isn't the best judge of character and definitely not someone who should be representing the citizens of our nation in government. I understand that you are blind to the evils of SF/provisional IRA but hopefully some of those looking for change will be warned off SF with stories like Tully's. If people want a change to more socialist policies then the Greens, Soc Dems, PBP etc. can offer that without the baggage of bombings and kneecappings.


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    #162
    buried
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    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    I made no reference to the suffering of the Jewish people. Are you unable to see the word Nazi without seeing the word Jew ?

    Eoghan Harris made reference to the suffering of the Jewish people on his meltdown interview earlier today.

    I know its panic stations down in BlueBlightyBot HQ man, but do try to keep up

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



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    #163
    The Rape of Lucretia
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    Raconteuse wrote: »
    You know full well what they mean. Oh now you say "before the nazis came to power" - can't for the life of me figure out why you left that bit out previously :rolleyes:

    I didnt leave it out. You couldnt figure it out because you didnt read it :
    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    Hitler, and the Nazi seizure of power (the Machtergreifung)


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    #164
    FTA69
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    Basically what we're seeing is an establishment in big business, the media and politics closing ranks and becoming increasingly more hysterical about the prospect of any change to the status quo. Independent media (owned by millionaires) has published something like 14 mad articles attacking SF in the last three days - Martin and Varadkar have seemingly stopped pretending to argue with each other in order to focus their attacks on McDonald. It's blatantly obvious what's happening.

    Don't be fooled by this bullsh*t. We've some of the highest rents in Europe, most expensive childcare in Europe and there's people making a fortune off all of this while the working man and woman gets screwed. It doesn't have to be like that, we need to end this stupid system of two identical groups of w*nkers rotating power between themselves.


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    #165
    The Rape of Lucretia
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    Raconteuse wrote: »
    People who compare the nazis' atrocities with something that isn't comparable to the nazis' atrocities are diluting what the nazis did for their own dishonest ends, which is of course an insult to the survivors and the relatives of those who were killed.

    I write of the fact that the Nazi's had committed no atroities when the German people turned to them and elected them. This is the point - the Nazis had a better record than SF untilpeople voted them into powersharing.


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    #166
    almostover
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    FTA69 wrote: »
    The Black and Tans were part of the RIC mate, maybe have a look at the history of the "RIC reserve constables" before condescendingly lecturing people about nuance.

    The Black and Tans did not become part of the RIC until the 1920s. Before that many Irishmen were in the RIC. It's unfortunate that they resorted to joining the police force of the occupying power but many did so to save their families from hunger. Not condoning the actions of the RIC but history is not simple black and white with the RIC = bad Brits and IRA = heroic Irish. History is far more grey than that.


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    #167
    FrancieBrady
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    almostover wrote: »
    Ah come on, she was married to a member of the provisional IRA. A proscribed terrorist organisation. A man who killed a Garda and tried to kill her. Clearly she isn't the best judge of character and definitely not someone who should be representing the citizens of our nation in government. I understand that you are blind to the evils of SF/provisional IRA but hopefully some of those looking for change will be warned off SF with stories like Tully's. If people want a change to more socialist policies the the Greens, Soc Dems, PBP etc. can offer that without the baggage of bombings and kneecap pings.

    Just as I thought. A disgusting a demeaning attitude to try and score a political point. Women are beaten for a myriad of reasons and by a myriad of men of all types.

    Fair enough you don't want to vote for SF. But wipe the tar off that brush.


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    #168
    smurgen
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    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    I write of the fact that the Nazi's had committed no atroities when the German people turned to them and elected them. This is the point - the Nazis had a better record than SF untilpeople voted them into powersharing.

    If that's the logic you're using then you could say we should elect no-one because they could turn into the Nazis?


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    #169
    The Rape of Lucretia
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    FTA69 wrote: »
    We've some of the highest rents in Europe, most expensive childcare in Europe and there's people making a fortune off all of this while the working man and woman gets screwed. It doesn't have to be like that, we need to end this stupid system of two identical groups of w*nkers rotating power between themselves.

    And electing the political section of a terrorist organisation helps these issue how ?


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    #170
    Del.Monte
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    Raconteuse wrote: »
    Sinn Fein are "fascist"? Do people use dictionaries anymore?

    The amount of incorrectly used terms on social media...

    Comparing it to NK is hilariously dumb all right, but Eoghan Harris was doing a lot more than criticising SF (which I've done myself on this very thread and nobody took issue with it) - he was being highly inflammatory and dishonest (as are people praising him).

    I know someone who is unionist, fiercely pro Israel, FG supporting (a very nice person - just someone I'd disagree with a lot politically) and even they have said Harris has lost it and needs to quit and get help.


    You could try it yourself sometime. Fascism can be used to describe far right and far left politics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_fascism

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    #171
    marieholmfan
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    Del.Monte wrote: »
    You could try it yourself sometime. Fascism can be used to describe far right and far left politics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_fascism

    By charlatans.


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    #172
    almostover
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Just as I thought. A disgusting a demeaning attitude to try and score a political point. Women are beaten for a myriad of reasons and by a myriad of men of all types.

    Fair enough you don't want to vote for SF. But wipe the tar off that brush.

    Ok you've resorted to whataboutery. Can you point out any inaccuracies in my original point that made my post so 'outrageous'?

    It's not just Tully either, outgoing TD Martin Ferris also worshipped at the alter of McAuley: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ferris-has-no-regrets-about-collecting-mcauley-from-prison-1.2475620

    I just want those who haven't done their research to know the ideology of some of the members of Sinn Fein and that better socialist alternatives exist on Saturday of one wishes to see change in government.


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    #173
    The Rape of Lucretia
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    smurgen wrote: »
    If that's the logic you're using then you could say we should elect no-one because they could turn into the Nazis?

    Thats not the logic I am using. Thats not even logic.

    A logical argument though is : You should vote for people for whom terrorism and murder is not considered a tactic to employ to political ends.


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    #174
    lawred2
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    almostover wrote: »
    Ah come on, she was married to a member of the provisional IRA. A proscribed terrorist organisation. A man who killed a Garda and tried to kill her. Clearly she isn't the best judge of character and definitely not someone who should be representing the citizens of our nation in government..

    Is that victim blaming/shaming?


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    #175
    FTA69
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    almostover wrote: »
    The Black and Tans did not become part of the RIC until the 1920s. Before that many Irishmen were in the RIC. It's unfortunate that they resorted to joining the police force of the occupuying power but many did so to save their families from hunger. Not condoning the actions of the RIC but history is not simple black and white with the RIC = bad Brits and IRA = heroic Irish. History is far more grey than that.

    Stop spoofing. The Black and Tans and the Auxiliaries were specific regiments within the RIC, they were part of that organisation and were police constables. Saying you're going to commemorate that police force but exclude specific parts of it is dishonest nonsense and you tried to insinuate earlier that the Tans et al were somehow different organisations.


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    #176
    smurgen
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    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    Thats not the logic I am using. Thats not even logic.

    A logical argument though is : You should vote for people for whom terrorism and murder is not considered a tactic to employ to political ends.

    It's not logical.that's what I'm pointing out about your argument.


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    #177
    FrancieBrady
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    almostover wrote: »
    Ok you've resorted to whataboutery. Can you point out any inaccuracies in my original point that made my post so 'outrageous'?

    This bit.
    Seems his attempted murder of her wasn't enough to ward her off Sinn Fein.


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    #178
    FTA69
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    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    And electing the political section of a terrorist organisation helps these issue how ?

    The IRA is gone, the conflict is over. There isn't some man in a balaclava under your bed.


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    #179
    The Rape of Lucretia
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    smurgen wrote: »
    It's not logical.that's what I'm pointing out about your argument.

    Is this a logical statement :
    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    You should vote for people for whom terrorism and murder is not considered a tactic to employ to political ends.

    ?


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    #180
    irishfeen
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    How in the name of god could this pass any BAI election rules, 48 hours out from a General Election and Newstalk having this guy on lauding Fianna Fáil telling the nation to only vote for them and that Sinn Fein members were basically all in the IRA and scum .... UNCHALLENGED!!


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    #181
    marieholmfan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    Thats not the logic I am using. Thats not even logic.

    A logical argument though is : You should vote for people for whom terrorism and murder is not considered a tactic to employ to political ends.

    Freedom fighters. One can't commit terrorism for Ireland (though of course there can be collateral damage and no organisation is perfect).


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