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Uninsured driver hit my parked car. What to do?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 308 ✭✭spodoinkle


    Hi OP, very long thread for a straightforward query, hopefully this answers all:

    1. Notify your insurer, of the incident, if you don't make a claim, this wont affect your future insurance.
    2. Your Insurer will be able to tell you if the CAR is uninsured or not (a policy in the dads/mums name).
    3. Depending on your insurer, they may be able to give you a desktop evaluation of the damage or send someone to you, rather than lifting your vehicle and bringing to a garage or scrapyard - this will give you an idea if it is to be written off or not.
    4. If the third party CAR is insured, you can make a claim from your own insurer, they will send a recovery to the TP car insurer and this will have no effect on your future premiums/NCD. Your insurer may choose to wipe the excess in these circumstances, if not, you are still entitled to this back from the at fault insurer.
    5. If repairable, let them repair it.
    6. If a write off, let them write it off, you keep the salvage (the car) and use the money to repair it. Write off means FA other than future sale value and you clearly want to keep the car.
    7. If the TP car is uninsured, follow the MIBI protocol.

    Alternatively, get a quote for repairs, give to the offending parties mother and get the cash BEFORE the repairs take place. Do not trust anyone who says they will pay after. I have seen this many times and you end up repairing yourself, sending the bill, them changing their mind and you having to send to your Insurer in the end up.

    Hope this helps.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,580 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Calibos wrote: »
    JustAThought,

    So you reckon I shouldn't contact insurance at all unless/until the kids parents decide the repair quote is too high and 'fold their arms' otherwise I'd have a black mark on Cartell and on record with my insurance even if I never claimed for this damage via insurance/MIBI. Lucky I haven't contacted them yet so!! :D ie. I'd have incurred these black marks for no reason assuming the parents do indeed follow through and pay for the damage?

    Like I said previously, the car will be worth nothing by the time I come to sell or scrap it as I intend to drive it as long as financially viable to do so and with the low mileage that could be another decade at least! LOL. So the depreciation caused by the accident or the selling price hit when I inform the 'Classic's' buyer in 2030 of the damage it incurred on a cold Winters day in 2020, it'll make feck all financial difference by then.

    If it does end up having to go through insurance/MIBI and its obviously going to be a CAT D economic write-off, I would still expect the settlement minus the salvage buyback to cover most of the cost of the repairs. I will of course make up the short-fall myself if I have to because while I am of course a bit sentimental about the car, just purely from an economic standpoint it makes sense to pony up a €1000 shortfall for example, because where else would I ever find another cheap 2007 TT or even 2012+ Golf with a barely run in 40,000km (26,000mile) 200PS 2.0TFSI engine in it. It'll just sting big-time that the vagaries of insurance and write-off's and my ultra low mileage TT meant that an accident that was no fault of my own ended up costing me money.

    I'm optimistic now though. No matter what happens I'm going to get back a car that looks like new like it did in one of the 2007 photo's I posted earlier. While its in for the accident damage repairs, I'll get the Body Shop to repair (and invoice me separately obviously) the bonnet dent, front passenger side quarter panel keying, buff and polish out the swirls on the other panels and refurbish the other 3 Wheels' 13 years of kerbings! LOL.

    As I have mentioned, best case, the Parents pay, you get the car repaired. Worst case, it will go down the insurance route. So now, just run with it, and see how it goes, then make your final decision.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,786 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    Nasty one O.P.

    I hope you get it sorted relatively easily. I also hope the Cops go hard against the uninsured driver and his parents (if they actually allowed this).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,812 ✭✭✭Calibos


    Nasty one O.P.

    I hope you get it sorted relatively easily. I also hope the Cops go hard against the uninsured driver and his parents (if they actually allowed this).

    His Father was/is abroad for work and his mother was at work in her own car that the son is learning to drive in. Neither parent at home and the kid decided to take Daddies Audi A6 to School to show off in. So he didn't get permission from either parent, took it without their consent, didn't have an insured fully qualified driver in the car with him just a schoolfriend, wasn't insured to drive the car regardless and then Hit & Run in a panic. So the kid is in deep doodoo legally speaking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,580 ✭✭✭jmreire


    If that was true in every case, then what bodyshop's that are in the Country could close down. What a lot of insurer's will insist on though is that you take your car to an APPROVED BODYSHOP, but that does not mean that you have to use a main dealer for your repairs ( Maybe that's in your policy, but its the 1st time I have heard of it ) Daughters car was hit by a tourist ( came around the bend on the wrong side ), we took it to the local bodyshop ( non-aligned to any dealership) and no problem with the insurance. Now if she was claiming off her own insurance, I'm pretty sure that it would still work the same way.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 347 ✭✭marcos_94


    OP when I rang to do a notification of a hit and run I had been involved in few years back (I was hot not the runner) my then insurance company call centre guy told me NOT to officially notify them as it would be marked against me and my insurance - even if I didn’t claim against my no claims - would go up the following year. Also, in my insurance policy they have the right to negotiate on your behalf and you have already by signing the insurance documents given them this right to make write off or repair (or settle & accept liability) on your behalf - it can be tKen out of your hands depending on the detail of your insurance policy - live and learn :(

    I second this. Recently parked my car in a hotel car park for an event. When i came back to the car, someone had driven into the back of it and driven off. Luckily there was clear CCTV footage and I reported it to the guards.

    My broker is a family friend and from chatting with him he vised against going through insurance because it will go on my record whether I claim through insurance or the guy pays for the repair. It took a few days, and the Guards threatening charges but eventually the driver paid for the repairs.


  • Posts: 24,714 [Deleted User]


    When I was halfway through thread & spotted this - my insurance is INVALID if I have work done on the car by anyone other than the official brand garage ( eg Audi Workshop using Audi Parts & trained audi mechanics). My last insurance had the same little print on page 20 - different broker - they never tell you when you get an insurance quote & I can’t believe the competition authority isn’t onto

    There is absolutely no way this is the case, most main dealer get body work done by 3rd parties to begin with. The vast majority of repairs are not done by a main dealer and most people are not driving around uninsured

    You are mistaking things in your policy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,812 ✭✭✭Calibos


    Provisional Estimate from Ace Autobody based on the same photo's I posted in this thread is €2500. He said its possibly subject to some change when they get to look at the car in person but reckoned it'd be fairly close. Arranged with ACE for them to organise pick up of car and delivery to them which will be added to Estimate/Invoice for the other parties paying for this. Will ring the Mother of the Kid tomorrow with the estimate assuming ACE organise pickup tomorrow, confirm and forward the estimate to me. Pretty sure someone earlier in the thread estimated about €2500 based on the same photo's. I wish I had a prize to give for the winning number! LOL. At any rate, €2500 sounds great to me and makes me think its much more likely that the parents will come up with that without too much if any quibbling.

    To those wondering how this thread ended up being 11 pages. It was likely because of the interesting circumstances of the accident and the tangential discussions/debates on the vagaries of motor insurance in Ireland, economic write-offs, implications of claiming even when not at fault etc etc.

    Once again, thanks to everyone for their valuable and interesting contributions!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,580 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Calibos wrote: »
    Provisional Estimate from Ace Autobody based on the same photo's I posted in this thread is €2500. He said its possibly subject to some change when they get to look at the car in person but reckoned it'd be fairly close. Arranged with ACE for them to organise pick up of car and delivery to them which will be added to Estimate/Invoice for the other parties paying for this. Will ring the Mother of the Kid tomorrow with the estimate assuming ACE organise pickup tomorrow, confirm and forward the estimate to me. Pretty sure someone earlier in the thread estimated about €2500 based on the same photo's. I wish I had a prize to give for the winning number! LOL. At any rate, €2500 sounds great to me and makes me think its much more likely that the parents will come up with that without too much if any quibbling.

    To those wondering how this thread ended up being 11 pages. It was likely because of the interesting circumstances of the accident and the tangential discussions/debates on the vagaries of motor insurance in Ireland, economic write-offs, implications of claiming even when not at fault etc etc.

    Once again, thanks to everyone for their valuable and interesting contributions!

    As I have mentioned ( several times) way to, go !!! All going well now, and no last minute hiccups, you will have your back good as new ( well not quite, but you know what I mean !!! ) Just goes to show how complicated what a should be a straight forward issue can become. :(:(:(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭kindalen


    Best of luck OP, hopefully mother of the kid is reasonable to deal with.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Wouldn't mind buying that when you're done with it op....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,800 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Insurance will only cover a car to its max value minus the scrap value of the car. If you disagree with the.insurance accessor you may appoint your own at your own cost there is seldom a significant difference in value. There is an onus on accessors to value you car to a similar car. However in Op case this is impossible.
    If the car is deemed beyond economic repair what the insurance company will offer is the value minus the what a dismantler or repairer will pay for it.

    Not quite so: you're entitled to be put back to the pre-crash condition with no loss - including depreciation. The whole point of insurance is to protect you from loss.

    I've been through this personally and refused to let my insurer handle it as they just wanted to settle and write off our car. I stepped in and dealt with the other party's insurer directly. They eventually settled for €6k to repair - not replace - an 05 Saab, and I put it back on the road.

    I then advised our insurer the case was closed and had been settled in full.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    spodoinkle wrote: »
    Hi OP, very long thread for a straightforward query, hopefully this answers all:

    1. Notify your insurer, of the incident, if you don't make a claim, this wont affect your future insurance.
    2. Your Insurer will be able to tell you if the CAR is uninsured or not (a policy in the dads/mums name).
    3. Depending on your insurer, they may be able to give you a desktop evaluation of the damage or send someone to you, rather than lifting your vehicle and bringing to a garage or scrapyard - this will give you an idea if it is to be written off or not.
    4. If the third party CAR is insured, you can make a claim from your own insurer, they will send a recovery to the TP car insurer and this will have no effect on your future premiums/NCD. Your insurer may choose to wipe the excess in these circumstances, if not, you are still entitled to this back from the at fault insurer.
    5. If repairable, let them repair it.
    6. If a write off, let them write it off, you keep the salvage (the car) and use the money to repair it. Write off means FA other than future sale value and you clearly want to keep the car.
    7. If the TP car is uninsured, follow the MIBI protocol.

    Alternatively, get a quote for repairs, give to the offending parties mother and get the cash BEFORE the repairs take place. Do not trust anyone who says they will pay after. I have seen this many times and you end up repairing yourself, sending the bill, them changing their mind and you having to send to your Insurer in the end up.

    Hope this helps.

    Number 1 is the worst advice of all any only speaking in hypotheticals. It will affect future insurance. It shouldn’t, and it’s not supposed to, but it will. That’s how they operate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,015 ✭✭✭Eggs For Dinner


    Number 1 is the worst advice of all any only speaking in hypotheticals. It will affect future insurance. It shouldn’t, and it’s not supposed to, but it will. That’s how they operate.

    You are obliged to notify your insurer. Not to do so is a breach of your policy conditions

    Generally speaking, unless a counter claim is made or your insurer pays out money, it will have no affect on your premium


  • Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You are obliged to notify your insurer. Not to do so is a breach of your policy conditions

    Generally speaking, unless a counter claim is made or your insurer pays out money, it will have no affect on your premium

    It will though, in reality.

    You are right about notifying them though. You are supposed to.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,786 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    It will though, in reality.

    You are right about notifying them though. You are supposed to.

    How exactly?


  • Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    How exactly?

    What? By increasing them premium for x amount of years, I thought it was obvious what I was saying.

    Unless you mean how exactly do you inform them, which is even more puzzling.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,605 ✭✭✭cpoh1


    What? By increasing them premium for x amount of years, I thought it was obvious what I was saying.

    Unless you mean how exactly do you inform them, which is even more puzzling.

    Except that doesnt actually happen. Recently renewed and I had notified my insurer of an accident i was not at fault in. The other insurers paid for the damages and my premium is roughly the same as last year if not cheaper...


  • Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    cpoh1 wrote: »
    Except that doesnt actually happen. Recently renewed and I had notified my insurer of an accident i was not at fault in. The other insurers paid for the damages and my premium is roughly the same as last year if not cheaper...

    Mine is 30% more because I was rear ended.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,078 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    What? By increasing them premium for x amount of years, I thought it was obvious what I was saying.

    Unless you mean how exactly do you inform them, which is even more puzzling.

    It a no claims bonus not an accident free bonus. As long as the clsim is settled before renewal they not only cannot penalize you but you can move insurance providers.

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,628 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    Mine is 30% more because I was rear ended.
    Do you know it was because you were rear ended, though? Or did it just coincide with an accident during the year before renewal?


    I've had plenty hikes of 30% and more in renewal quotes, with no accident reported in my entire life!


    I'm absolutely cynical enough about insurers to believe that they would hike a premium on the back of an accident report, but I'm not sure about proving it.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,205 ✭✭✭cruizer101


    I had a car crash into mine once when it was parked outside my house. I notified insurance as was meant to do and I had half considered claiming but in the end I decided to not claim.
    When it came to renewal time they didn't add anything to my premium but they did have a claim marked against my account so when I got my no claim certificate which I needed to forward to new insurers they said I had a claim and so lost my no claims discount.
    Original insurers would not remove the claim from my account, they said it is noted as not being a paid out claim but is marked as an incident on my account (I'm not sure exact words they used as was 8 years ago but something like that).
    I did manage eventually to get new insurer to accept there was no claims but it took a lot of effort and hassle and I'm not sure you would definitely be able to do it with all insurers.
    Insurers will look for anyway they can to get a bit more money from you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭JustAThought


    jmreire wrote: »
    If that was true in every case, then what bodyshop's that are in the Country could close down. What a lot of insurer's will insist on though is that you take your car to an APPROVED BODYSHOP, but that does not mean that you have to use a main dealer for your repairs ( Maybe that's in your policy, but its the 1st time I have heard of it ) Daughters car was hit by a tourist ( came around the bend on the wrong side ), we took it to the local bodyshop ( non-aligned to any dealership) and no problem with the insurance. Now if she was claiming off her own insurance, I'm pretty sure that it would still work the same way.


    Believe me - I’ve had it twice on my policy now - and I queried it and challenged it in depth with the broker the second time. I absolutely cannot believe it is legal and not being challenged by the competition authority or industry bodies but I can assure you it is there.And worryingly, the broker could not answer as to whether if I had parts or work done prior to taking the policy if this would subsequently be used as an excuse to invalidate the policy or not pay out in the event of a claim. It is a completely sinister clause and deeply worrying but I needed the insurance & drive an old car. Of course you only get the paperwork and hidden clauses after you sign up -another thing SF should legislate against .

    Another worrying trend -I was involved in s hit & run when the car was empty and parked which the utterly useless gaurds seem incapable of reviewing the footage for the reg from 8 cameras including the multiple high vis ones in from of the door of a bank where I was parked. When I told my insurance broker ( stupid me) because I was concerned I might have to claim the extensive damage off my own no claims they wrote wanting access to my medical files for the last 3 or 5 years ( I disremember the timeframe). I was horrified and rang to clarify that I was not in the car and not injured and not looking to make any claim for an injury. O -they said -we know that -but we still want your medical files from your doctor and any treatments in hospitals or clinics to ensure you advised us and kept us ip-to -date with anything that could have affected your insurance and ability to drive. I kid you not. Any excise to gather data and not to pay. Who is supposed to be regulating these ****ers? Its certainly not being done.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,786 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    Mine is 30% more because I was rear ended.

    I don't buy that.

    In a no blame accident your premium and ncb aren't increased.


  • Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I don't buy that.

    In a no blame accident your premium and ncb aren't increased.

    They’re not supposed to be but they are. Everyone taking the rules of an unregulated industry as gospel :D


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,786 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    They’re not supposed to be but they are. Everyone taking the rules of an unregulated industry as gospel :D

    Nah. I don't believe that at all.

    p.s. The base premium may have gone up but assuming your ncb wasn't reduced you were free to shop around at renewal.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,655 ✭✭✭i57dwun4yb1pt8


    do not inform your insurance of any incident where you can sort it your self , such as someone scraping you
    and they fixed it via their insurance - if you plan on moving insurers next time .

    they log incidents on the NCB list ,
    and the next insurer will add on cost , it does not matter if you were not at fault , or if the case cost nothing to you .

    this is how these c*nts operate , utter scum


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Nah. I don't believe that at all.

    p.s. The base premium may have gone up but assuming your ncb wasn't reduced you were free to shop around at renewal.

    My premium went up 25% after I reported a no fault claim. The broker told me it was because of the claim.

    My premium went up EXACTLY 25.00%, not 24.99%, or 25.01% - 25.00%.

    Now they may not stipulate as such (BTW, I've 100% NCB protection myself).

    Take the following example, where your full NCB still gives you 60% discount.

    Assume your premium last year was €1,000, and €400 after NCB discount. Now this year your premium is (because, actuary calculations and other weird and wonderful stuff) is €1,250 - after 60% NCB your premium this year is €500 (25% increase) - and you're happy because you still get your 60% NCB. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 453 ✭✭earlytobed


    They’re not supposed to be but they are. Everyone taking the rules of an unregulated industry as gospel :D

    Conspiracy Theory alert!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,015 ✭✭✭Eggs For Dinner


    Insurers don't increase premiums where no claim has been made against your policy, end of...Anyone who experienced an increase was for some other reason, such as starnard rate increase across the board


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,786 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    My premium went up 25% after I reported a no fault claim. The broker told me it was because of the claim.

    My premium went up EXACTLY 25.00%, not 24.99%, or 25.01% - 25.00%.

    Now they may not stipulate as such (BTW, I've 100% NCB protection myself).

    Take the following example, where your full NCB still gives you 60% discount.

    Assume your premium last year was €1,000, and €400 after NCB discount. Now this year your premium is (because, actuary calculations and other weird and wonderful stuff) is €1,250 - after 60% NCB your premium this year is €500 (25% increase) - and you're happy because you still get your 60% NCB. :rolleyes:

    I hope you moved elsewhere and took your maxxed out NCB with you.

    I suspect your broker wasn't being entirely truthful.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Insurers don't increase premiums where no claim has been made against your policy, end of...Anyone who experienced an increase was for some other reason, such as starnard rate increase across the board

    I tell you what. Arrange insurance cover by answering the any claim, regardless of fault in the last 5 years as no... and continue to the end. And then say, oh, by the way, I did have a no fault claim - see what happens.

    Maybe, just maybe, the broker that told me it had an effect was being truthful. BTW, why do you think they ask you that 5 year question, eh?


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]



    I suspect your broker wasn't being entirely truthful.

    For what reason? And why do you think they ask the question in the first place, because they like the sound of your voice and want to keep the conversation going?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,371 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    galwaytt wrote: »
    Not quite so: you're entitled to be put back to the pre-crash condition with no loss - including depreciation. The whole point of insurance is to protect you from loss.

    I've been through this personally and refused to let my insurer handle it as they just wanted to settle and write off our car. I stepped in and dealt with the other party's insurer directly. They eventually settled for €6k to repair - not replace - an 05 Saab, and I put it back on the road.

    I then advised our insurer the case was closed and had been settled in full.
    As the owner if an 05 Saab, I may be in touch for details if I ever find myself in the same position!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,812 ✭✭✭Calibos


    Jesus! Dont count your chickens.....as they say.

    Car still not picked up or personally inspected by ACE yet but they sent me the Audotex estimate with the text of the email reading, ‘side panel is alloy as per system and will need to be replaced’

    The total of the estimate is €7450!!!

    What the hell is going on!! When I called down yesterday and the reception guy rang the workshop, the head guy said he had seen my email and photos and his provisional estimate was €2500 with a chance of ‘some’ Change once he saw the car in person. In other words I wouldnt have been surprised If the estimate went up to €3000 for example.

    Do Ace think they are doing me a favour replacing everything because someone else is paying. Normally that would indeed be proper and right but as the 13 pages of this thread testify, this is a bit of an unusual scenario

    I’ve emailed back asking if theres some mistake?

    I’ll be amazed if the kids parents can come up with €7500 So it looks like I might indeed have to go through insurance, and go through the economic write off malarkey that ends up costing me a few grand if I want this car back on the road.

    FffuuuucccKkkkk


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Calibos wrote: »
    The total of the estimate is €7450!!!

    Which is more than the car's economic value sadly. I presume it's suspension work that's causing that price.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,812 ✭✭✭Calibos


    Which is more than the car's economic value sadly. I presume it's suspension work that's causing that price.

    At work on mobile at the moment. I’ll post the estimate PDF later from the computer unless thats not the done thing and/or unfair to ACE.

    I dont think ACE are trying to do me or the other party Or anything like that, but all new everything might shift this into insurance Economic write offs, salvage buy backs and costing me money to make up the shortfall territory....and adds a load of hassle and time delay arguing with insurance until the money comes through and the work can be done.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭ldy4mxonucwsq6


    Insurers don't increase premiums where no claim has been made against your policy, end of...Anyone who experienced an increase was for some other reason, such as starnard rate increase across the board

    Yes they do.

    I was 'involved' in an accident last year. When I say involved, my empty car was parked (legally) and someone ploughed into the side of it, similar to the OP.

    Luckily the guy owned up and his insurance took care of everything as he didn't want to pay my €800 repair quote himself.

    A copy of the final bill was sent to me by his insurers (it came in at €2000 rather than my €800 quote).

    I had to let my insurance company know that my stationery car had been hit and so I was involved in an 'incident' but no claim involved on my policy and my premium DOUBLED the next renewal.

    According to insurance company apparently if you are involved in an accident (even where its 100% no fault) you are deemed to be a bigger insurance risk and more likely to be involved in an accident in future, hence the premium hike.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,615 ✭✭✭grogi


    According to insurance company apparently if you are involved in an accident (even where its 100% no fault) you are deemed to be a bigger insurance risk and more likely to be involved in an accident in future, hence the premium hike.

    That's 100% true. It is all about probabilities for the insurance cover provider.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,812 ✭✭✭Calibos


    Seems to be a lot of suspension parts listed on the estimate which might not be needed when they actually do the in person inspection, but the Alloy body thing in the email probably means its a few grand higher than the initial 2500. Means I cant ring the mother yet with an estimate to see if they can pay because even I dont know how much this is going to cost to the closest 500 yet!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,342 ✭✭✭seagull


    Would it be worth seeing if you can source body panels from a scrapyard to try and keep the price down? That's assuming you wind up having to go down the insurance route and pay the difference yourself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,060 ✭✭✭Kenny Logins


    Calibos wrote: »
    Jesus! Dont count your chickens.....as they say.

    Car still not picked up or personally inspected by ACE yet but they sent me the Audotex estimate with the text of the email reading, ‘side panel is alloy as per system and will need to be replaced’

    The total of the estimate is €7450!!!

    That generated estimate is very detailed and covers every detail including time and consumables etc. with genuine Audi parts.

    You probably could do it for 2.5k, but they need a comprehensive estimate that is at the maximum to work with when deciding.

    Nothing to do with ACE, they just tell the software where the damage is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,812 ✭✭✭Calibos


    All I can say, is thank fcuk I didnt ring the kids mother and tell her the provisional estimate was 2500. Imagine having to call her back and say, ‘opps, its actually 7500’. I’d be getting a call from an Angry Nigerian gentleman accusing me of trying to scam his wife! LOL.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,060 ✭✭✭Kenny Logins


    Calibos wrote: »
    All I can say, is thank fcuk I didnt ring the kids mother and tell her the provisional estimate was 2500. Imagine having to call her back and say, ‘opps, its actually 7500’. I’ be getting a call from an Angry Nigerian gentleman accusing me of trying to scam his wife! LOL.

    :pac::D

    That's just a starting point, an assessor would look closer at the car and knock it down a bit.

    Pretty sure it's a write-off though :o - get a cash repair quote and see if it's worth buying back.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,812 ✭✭✭Calibos


    That generated estimate is very detailed and covers every detail including time and consumables etc. with genuine Audi parts.

    You probably could do it for 2.5k, but they need a comprehensive estimate that is at the maximum to work with when deciding.

    Nothing to do with ACE, they just tell the software where the damage is.

    So You are saying I dont need to panic yet and just need to wait till its personally inspected by ACE...and have a good chat about the implications of new, salvage parts wrt to the affordability for the kids parents or insurance write-offs for me.

    Like I said, I wasnt suggesting ACE was doing anything wrong, just that I was shocked and confused by the 2500-7500 difference in verbal/printed estimates.

    It might still all work out and I get the car back with all new parts because even at 7500 the parents are thrilled to not have this go through insurance......but the higher the eventual real cost the less likely it is they can/will pay without going through insurance which is where this accident starts costing me money to get the car back on the road despite an insurance payout and me not being at fault in any way. Like I’ve said a few times now, its absolutely worth it for me to make up a 2 grand settlement/write off salvage/ repair cost shortfall for example in order to hold onto my barely run in 40000km (26,000mile) 2007 TT......but it’ll sting like a motherfcuker!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,015 ✭✭✭Eggs For Dinner


    grogi wrote: »
    That's 100% true. It is all about probabilities for the insurance cover provider.

    Its 100% bollocks.

    I'm at this business long enough not to take one side of the story as Gospel


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,060 ✭✭✭Kenny Logins


    Calibos wrote: »
    So You are saying I dont need to panic yet and just need to wait till its personally inspected by ACE...and have a good chat about the implications of new, salvage parts wrt to the affordability for the kids parents or insurance write-offs for me.

    I wouldn't be at all surprised if the door and rear quarter parts alone make up close to half of that quote.

    You have the prices there, no?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 598 ✭✭✭Needles73


    Which is more than the car's economic value sadly. I presume it's suspension work that's causing that price.

    It won’t be suspension work causing that price. Is it not mostly mk4 golf suspension?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,060 ✭✭✭Kenny Logins


    Needles73 wrote: »
    It won’t be suspension work causing that price. Is it not mostly mk4 golf suspension?

    Seems to be a fair bit (wishbones and that) shared with Golf V, A3, Beetle, Jetta...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,812 ✭✭✭Calibos


    I wouldn't be at all surprised if the door and rear quarter parts alone make up close to half of that quote.

    You have the prices there, no?

    Nearly finished work and home soon. Do you reckon its OK to post the PDF estimate here?


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