ANYONE ELSE VOTE FOR SINN FEIN FOR FIRST TIME TODAY

firstlight

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

It is quite the post-apocalyptic hell scape out there!

It is for ordinary Joe soaps who are working for nothing
I guess your one of those who once your needs are met sod the rest

McMurphy

handlemaster wrote: »

Water metering is the norm outside of ireland. The cost for the network is bourne by the tax payers. The metering should have made that process fairer. The public are just stupid.. the cost is still going to come from the tax payer. The massive investing needed will come from funds that should have been going to education, health and security. The sinners are looking likely to get a foot in the door of government. They want a vote on a reunification of ireland. The cost of that will be staggering.

Water charges are ok in principle if done right, but FG completely politicised them here, rewarded chums with plumb jobs and bonuses, and of course they couldn't overlook their main man Uncle Dinny who just happened to get a fabulous deal at tax payers expense on the company he bought, that went on to win a substantial state contract installing the meters, which is of course still the subject of an ongoing enquiry (and I'm sure the ink won't be dry in that one, but there'll be another one for the NBP).

You are saying the tax payers are stupid. I'd disagree, they knew a con job when they seen one, and wouldn't roll over - calling them stupid is just FG arrogance on display.

All of this aside, it doesn't take away from the fact that they spent all of this money setting up a sham quango ahead of health services or housing when the country hadn't even balanced it's books.

Priorities dear boy.

Cina

firstlight wrote: »

Hard to believe people will vote for FF and fg
When the country is ruined
Corrupt as f
I'd rather my chances in a cage full of starving wolfs than ever vote for either of them parties again
Destroyed the country and people's lives

I feel sorry for people like you. You live in one of the world's best countries to live in and call it destroyed and ruined.

I wish you could spend some time in Africa and Asia and realize what you have here then.

handlemaster

JPCN1 wrote: »

You start approaching those levels of tax and people won't work and the Multinationals will bugger of to sunnier climbs where they can attract staff.

Shinnernomics, great for emigration and fug all else.

Agreed . There are alot of people who are only looking into the pothole at the end of their road,the bigger picture never comes into light

firstlight

Cina wrote: »

I feel sorry for people like you. You live in one of the world's best countries to live in and call it destroyed and ruined.

I wish you could spend some time in Africa and Asia and realize what you have here then.

Dont
There's more than just me

BoJack Horseman

firstlight wrote: »

It is for ordinary Joe soaps who are working for nothing
I guess your one of those who once your needs are met sod the rest

If you are working for nothing then you're literally an idiot.

That isn't how employment is supposed to work.

And the "they destroyed the country" is similarly stupid

Plumbthedepths

Cina wrote: »

I feel sorry for people like you. You live in one of the world's best countries to live in and call it destroyed and ruined.

I wish you could spend some time in Africa and Asia and realize what you have here then.

I have a friend that emigrated to Norway with his wife and children. He pays more tax than I do but the services he gets in return are amazing compared to here. €25 for a doctor's visit capped hospital charges. Affordable child care many more but if we are going to compare countries it's fair to mention better places too but I really don't see the point tbh as it's Ireland we live in and people are entitled to give their opinion on where they live. Being told it's so much worse somewhere else is a ridiculous comment .

gmisk

I seriously considered voting for Sinn Fein for the first time.
But I am originally from northern Ireland so I just couldn't see past the IRA thing, I am from a really republican area but I would always vote alliance or SDLP...they do have some excellent politicians (like Pearse Doherty) but I coudnt do it.
It will make zero difference SF will top the poll here they always do

firstlight

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I have a friend that emigrated to Norway with his wife and children. He pays more tax than I do but the services he gets in return are amazing compared to here. €25 for a doctor's visit capped hospital charges. Affordable child care many more but if we are going to compare countries it's fair to mention better places too but I really don't see the point tbh as it's Ireland we live in and people are I to give their opinion on where they live. Being told it's so much worse somewhere else is a ridiculous comment .

Don't bother with them
Waste of time
Their clueless to the amount of people in this country struggling

Odhinn

Effects wrote: »

Sinn Fein actively support scum bags and murderers. Their elected representatives make decisions in back rooms with dodgy characters.
I couldn't even consider voting for them for at least another 30 years.

Really?
https://www.google.com/search?q=denis+o+brien&client=firefox-b-d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjc_LbirsLnAhVaQhUIHXiABHoQ_AUoAXoECBUQAw&biw=1600&bih=887#imgrc=jroIPVzJKF3zEM

dxhound2005

Judging by how they perform in coalition in the North, they are very weak. And they have contradictory policies there, where they support property tax.

THE_SHEEP

Finty Lemon wrote: »

I visited an old friend today. Havent seen him since 1987.
He would be 51 today, except that he was murdered by friends of an elected politician.

Then I voted.

He was murdered by the Black and Tans ????

handlemaster

Odhinn wrote: »

Really?
https://www.google.com/search?q=denis+o+brien&client=firefox-b-d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjc_LbirsLnAhVaQhUIHXiABHoQ_AUoAXoECBUQAw&biw=1600&bih=887#imgrc=jroIPVzJKF3zEM

That is one person . Not a whole organisation wanting to control the country.

Billcarson

Cina wrote: »

I feel sorry for people like you. You live in one of the world's best countries to live in and call it destroyed and ruined.

I wish you could spend some time in Africa and Asia and realize what you have here then.

This isn't a country in Asia or Africa though is it . For a country in western Europe we should have a better country then what we do . While we are far from the worst country to live in ,things should be alot better all the same .

Annasopra

No.

Odhinn

handlemaster wrote: »

That is one person . Not a whole organisation wanting to control the country.

FF, FG and the rest aren't organisations wanting to control the country?

McMurphy

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Judging by how they perform in coalition in the North, they are very weak. And they have contradictory policies there, where they support property tax.

There is no property tax in the north, domestic rates are fundamentally different to our property tax, and as for the coalition performance comment.

You realise they have to coalesce with a party who are a against pretty much everything, including Sunday opening hours, Same Sex Marriage, Abortion amongst other things?

A large swathe of them are also creationists

to be fair to them though - they (the DUP) would most probably have been full on behind supporting the now abandoned Tans commemoration fg tried to implement.

Cina

Billcarson wrote: »

This isn't a country in Asia or Africa though is it . For a country in western Europe we should have a better country then what we do . While we are far from the worst country to live in ,things should be alot better all the same .

We outperform all but the best Nordic countries in pretty much every metric of well-being and quality of life, though. Tell me what exactly is so awful about Ireland compared to other western European countries like the UK, France, Portugal, Italy etc?

suicide_circus

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I have a friend that emigrated to Norway with his wife and children. He pays more tax than I do but the services he gets in return are amazing compared to here. €25 for a doctor's visit capped hospital charges. Affordable child care many more but if we are going to compare countries it's fair to mention better places too but I really don't see the point tbh as it's Ireland we live in and people are entitled to give their opinion on where they live. Being told it's so much worse somewhere else is a ridiculous comment .

cant wait for SF to turn us into Norway - all we need to do is break the two party dominance and we become a Scandinavian utopia .

Blaze420

Cina wrote: »

We outperform all but the best Nordic countries in pretty much every metric of well-being and quality of life, though. Tell me what exactly is so awful about Ireland compared to other western European countries like the UK, France, Portugal, Italy etc?

0.2% of the population are waiting for free hous....sorry, living in hotels damn it. Unacceptable...

one world order

If Pearce Doherty was leader I would have voted for them. Mary Lou just waffles too much and is like a rabbit in headlights when asked a question.

dxhound2005

McMurphy wrote: »

There is no property tax in the north,

There is property tax in the North. How much you pay is determined by the value of your house.

firstlight

Cina wrote: »

We outperform all but the best Nordic countries in pretty much every metric of well-being and quality of life, though. Tell me what exactly is so awful about Ireland compared to other western European countries like the UK, France, Portugal, Italy etc?

We have a country that needs parents to home their kids into their 40s
Homelessness figures that are massaged
Endless CE schemes and slave labour jobs
Rip of insurance industry
Over priced rent
Healthcare system that's ruined
Endless waiting lists
Rip of road tax
2 billion quid hospitals
Scandals every week with corruption
That's too name a few
Doing great so

Cina

firstlight wrote: »

We have a country that needs parents to home their kids into their 40s
Homelessness figures that are massaged
Endless CE schemes and slave labour jobs
Rip of insurance industry
Over priced rent
Healthcare system that's ruined
Endless waiting lists
Rip of road tax
2 billion quid hospitals
Scandals every week with corruption
That's too name a few
Doing great so

Yeah and SF are going to fix all those problems aren't they?

They're the sort of issues that most western countries have, by the way, not remotely limited to Ireland.

firstlight

Cina wrote: »

Yeah and SF are going to fix all those problems aren't they?

They're the sort of issues that most western countries have, by the way, not remotely limited to Ireland.

Can't make it any worse for most people living in ireland
Already paying through their hole for everything
It's an existence not a life

Blaze420

firstlight wrote: »

Can't make it any worse for most people living in ireland
Already paying through their hole for everything
It's an existence not a life

Mind telling us where SF is getting the money to build
all this social housing they promised? Hint: If you have a job and pay your way you are ****ed with an SF government in power. Hopefully everyone read the election manifestos in detail before voting...

dxhound2005

firstlight wrote: »

Can't make it any worse for most people living in ireland
Already paying through their hole for everything
It's an existence not a life

They could make it a lot worse.

TuringBot47

If Sinn Fein do win a good few seats there's be no chance of sleeping tonight with all the AK47's firing into the sky. It'll be like Halloween.

McMurphy

dxhound2005 wrote: »

There is property tax in the North. How much you pay is determined by the value of your house.

Link please.

firstlight

Blaze420 wrote: »

Mind telling us where SF is getting the money to build
all this social housing they promised? Hint: If you have a job and pay your way you are ****ed with an SF government in power. Hopefully everyone read the election manifestos in detail before voting...

Take it from the banks profit the Irish people bailed out
The 13 billion their owed aswell