GE Exit Poll 10 pm

Sir Oxman

Amira Fancy Thriller wrote: »

I wonder would this election give the old Sinn Fein the confidence to re-emerge i.e. bring the paramilitary wing back. And if SF get into power how would AGS, the Defence Forces and a re-emergent IRA work.

Would AGS members be willing to forget about the likes of Jerry McCabe, who sympathetic who the young rank and file AGS be to SF?

The cops shouldn't be a political force, maybe SF will change that if FF or FG deign to talk to them.

smelly sock

road_high wrote: »

Well then good thing there's 158 seats in the Dail. FG only have less than 40. So plenty of balls for Mary Lou to play around outside of FG if she's serious about governing and indeed "change".

160 seats.

Sir Oxman

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Well he didn’t say he’d deal with SF but he softened his position of never during today.

So, no is the answer as of now!

Fann Linn

road_high wrote: »

Well then good thing there's 158 seats in the Dail. FG only have less than 40. So plenty of balls for Mary Lou to play around outside of FG if she's serious about governing and indeed "change".

Nope. The most SF can get now is 41.

Suckit

omega man wrote: »

Is that what ‘change’ looks like?

It's what the best option for them looks like.
FF/FG coaliton likely wouldn't last a full term, and SF would come out of it looking good.
Joining up with them and agreeing to half their policies wouldn't be much 'change' either.

road_high

Sir Oxman wrote: »

No one else but FF and FG are excluding SF.
What do you not get about that?
Christ Almighty.

The figures in the Dail. SF can form a coalition without either or is much more likely have talks with FF and sort out a coaltion. SF and FF have much common ground. SF FF is the obvious natural outcome.

STB.

Here is an example of the madness that is prevailing. SF could have sent out their pets and they would have got elected. Infact if they had foreseen this well.


In Wexford. Johnny Mythen topped the vote 18700 votes, three times the first preference votes he got in 2016. He lost his Council seat last year.


Meanwhile after 5 counts Howlin still waiting. He might reach the quota this time.

amadangomor

Sir Oxman wrote: »

No one else but FF and FG are excluding SF.
What do you not get about that?
Christ Almighty.

It wouldn't be smart for either to say they would go in with SF pre election.

What do you........
Christ Almigh......

Sir Oxman

blackcard wrote: »

Said it in an interview on RTE today. Surely SF aren't afraid of going into government and sorting out health, housing etc.

No he didn't.

lmimmfn

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

I think you are choosing the word 'peasent' (sic) yourself.

There is certainly a lot of misguided, lets say, voting, which will turn out to be a disappointment. Far too much voting for non of the above, by voting for something which people dont really understand. Its the downside to universal suffrage.

You think wrong, FG consider you a peasent.

road_high

smelly sock wrote: »

160 seats.

Even more "change" for Mary Lou to coalesce with so.

Idbatterim

Blanco100 wrote: »

im presuming that most count centres have adjourned for the night. How are RTE going to drag out another 4 hours?

Re runs of the late late and tubridy imterviewing a lamp!

LeinsterDub

road_high wrote: »

Well then good thing there's 158 seats in the Dail. FG only have less than 40. So plenty of balls for Mary Lou to play around outside of FG if she's serious about governing and indeed "change".

SF will have less than 40 too.

Mary Lou has said she's willing to play ball. MM with about 45 has the ball in hand and he's up first with the serve

The Rape of Lucretia

smelly sock wrote: »

Why do you think it was a protest vote? People want change.

No they dont. They want improvement. But make the mistake of thinking that if they vote for something else, which is change, they will get improvement.
This is the error they have all made (SF support should properly just be 3-4% of the population who still harbour 32 county Ireland ideas as a priority and are into murder and terrorism to get it).

Sir Oxman

road_high wrote: »

The figures in the Dail. SF can form a coalition without either or is much more likely have talks with FF and sort out a coaltion. SF and FF have much common ground. SF FF is the obvious natural outcome.

With who, have a go there now.
Don't be including 11-16 independents mind

don't forget the the tentacles FG extended pre 2007 to do a possible deal with SF - FF never have and it's looking like never will

But, we'll see.
You have to accept SF are publically saying they will talk with everyone and have already indeed reached out to the smaller parties and in time, will reach out to FG too as the largest of the smaller parties.*
Will Fg respond or say no, never!

* a little wind-up there but not an inch from the truth.

Fr_Dougal

blackcard wrote: »

MM said he would deal with SF.

He didn’t. Source?

He said that he would not, under any circumstances.

Source:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjTfEBg31U4

Skip to 7m30s

Fann Linn

road_high wrote: »

The figures in the Dail. SF can form a coalition without either or is much more likely have talks with FF and sort out a coaltion. SF and FF have much common ground. SF FF is the obvious natural outcome.

FF FG have faaaar more ground in common. After all they supported each other for the last 4 years

um7y1h83ge06nx

smelly sock wrote: »

Time to go to bed. School in the morning. Leave the adults to it.

Come on, do you really think the loyalists would roll over on an United Ireland.

Most members of AGS, the PDF or non SF would not be willing to be shot at or bombed by loyalists to pursue a United Ireland.

If SF and their supporters want it bad enough let ye be the ones to take the brunt of the UVF and Co.

smelly sock

STB. wrote: »

Here is an example of the madness that is prevailing. SF could have sent out their pets and they would have got elected. Infact if they had foreseen this well.


In Wexford. Johnny Mythen topped the vote 18700 votes, a third of the first preference votes he got in 2016. He lost his Council seat last year.


Meanwhile after 5 counts Howlin still waiting. He might reach the quota this time.

I dont get this. Council elections and General elections are totally different. I wouldnt be drawing to much from it tbh. People are pissed off. Not about pot holes but about real life impacting issues. That seems to be lost on some.

SF are a viable alternative to FFG.

Spanish Eyes

Deleted User wrote: »

Flags and sing "rebel" songs. We've moved past that. It is embarassing.

Seems the rebel song singing in public anyway has been muzzled, though the damage was done.

Got to get the image right going forward.

SF will be the same as any party soon. Image, consultants, advisers, media and so on.

But their past (and possibly current) association with nefarious back room boys will never be forgotten by me.

fritzelly

So who thinks another election? SF field a whole load more candidates and take power with a few of the smaller parties?
Cannot see FF/SF lasting more than 6 months if they do go in to coalition and any kind of rainbow government made up of a multitude of parties would barely last a month

Is another 4/5 years of FFG feasible? I understand them all saying no coalition as that would hurt them at the polls with second preferences and then changing their tune on the day but FG seems to be sticking to their guns
Cannot believe Leo fared so badly in this - do not remember any leader doing so badly

smelly sock

Amira Fancy Thriller wrote: »

Come on, do you really think the loyalists would roll over on an United Ireland.

Most members of AGS, the PDF or non SF would not be willing to be shot at or bombed by loyalists to pursue a United Ireland.

If SF and their supporters want it bad enough let ye be the ones to take the brunt of the UVF and Co.

I think this may have been an issues 10 ,15 or 20 years ago. Not so much now. I think its the reason we saw the like of Paisley mellowing and talking to SF. He saw the writing on the wall.

Fann Linn

Amira Fancy Thriller wrote: »

Come on, do you really think the loyalists would roll over on an United Ireland.

Most members of AGS, the PDF or non SF would not be willing to be shot at or bombed by loyalists to pursue a United Ireland.

If SF and their supporters want it bad enough let ye be the ones to take the brunt of the UVF and Co.

The gardai and army will do as they're told. Their job is to serve.

RandomViewer

Fann Linn wrote: »

No one will work with them. Did ye not see any of the debates?

O Cuiv saying party executive will decide, MM will be told to be a good wee boy and shut the fxxk up

cryptocurrency

Ireland has voted for commie terrorists, yeah

Suckit

FF FG would be the much more obvious coalition.
No doubt these results will have an impact on them, and maybe this time they will actually get something done. Also they will no longer be able to blame each other (they'll find a way) when things go belly up. When building expenses triple and wages double, they can no longer point at each other and say that they wouldn't have made that mistake.

All in all, todays results are pretty good. A change is coming, and it started now.

dxhound2005

fritzelly wrote: »

So who thinks another election? SF field a whole load more candidates and take power with a few of the smaller parties?
Cannot see FF/SF lasting more than 6 months if they do go in to coalition and any kind of rainbow government made up of a multitude of parties would barely last a month

Is another 4/5 years of FFG feasible? I understand them all saying no coalition as that would hurt them at the polls with second preferences and then changing their tune on the day but FG seems to be sticking to their guns
Cannot believe Leo fared so badly in this - do not remember any leader doing so badly

During the Bertie era, FG went down to 31 seats. Michael Noonan was the leader.

Lundstram

smelly sock wrote: »

I dont get this. Council elections and General elections are totally different. I wouldnt be drawing to much from it tbh. People are pissed off. Not about pot holes but about real life impacting issues. That seems to be lost on some.

SF are a viable alternative to FFG.

How do you know?

Patricia Ryan in my own area topped the poll. She done zero canvassing, in fact she was on holiday and failed to attend numerous debates around Kildare in recent weeks. There's wanting change and there's blind stupidity.

Fine Gael really made a massive error in opting for a Saturday voting day, the hard done bys were all home from their massively subsidised colleges.

The Rape of Lucretia

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Ireland has voted for commie terrorists, yeah

I dont think they are sophisticated enough even to be commies. They really dont see beyond Brits out of NI. They are that simple.

Idbatterim

fritzelly wrote: »

So who thinks another election? SF field a whole load more candidates and take power with a few of the smaller parties?
Cannot see FF/SF lasting more than 6 months if they do go in to coalition and any kind of rainbow government made up of a multitude of parties would barely last a month

Is another 4/5 years of FFG feasible? I understand them all saying no coalition as that would hurt them at the polls with second preferences and then changing their tune on the day but FG seems to be sticking to their guns
Cannot believe Leo fared so badly in this - do not remember any leader doing so badly

Lying and bull**** will only get you so far ! Sf will be the only thing that narcissist, “ can’t get Mary Lou out of my head “ will be having nightmares over tonight