GE Exit Poll 10 pm

CIARAN_BOYLE

Fann Linn wrote: »

Has Zappone been ejected yet?

She is 6th. Theres a recount between 10th and 11th atm.

pjohnson

Ah jaysus now its time for gender politics :pac:

Kermit.de.frog

https://twitter.com/john_mcguirk/status/1226844404691939328

Agree completely with this.

If you're struggling to put a roof over your head or food on the table do you really give a damn how many women may be elected?

Out of touch.

McMurphy

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Lot's of female politicians losing their seats. You must be pretty happy.

And loads new ones being elected in their place. Including the 2 candidates in North Kildare I gave my 1 and 2 votes to - and they ended up topping the poll!


Get up the yard please Paddy, you're a busted flush.

Birdie Num Num

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Lot's of female politicians losing their seats. You must be pretty happy.

One just elected in Cavan Monaghan. Think Adrian Donohoe and now put it in the context of 24 years ago!

gmisk

Catherine Byrne looking out in Dublin south Central (Ardagh already gone! That seat was a big one FF aimed for)
Looks like Costello and Collins will get the last two seats.
Glad Byrne looking to be gone.

Kermit.de.frog

I see almost half of Sinn Féin voters want tax cuts. Less want an increase in spending than Fine Gael voters.

Sinn Féin more Fine Gael than Fine Gael?

dxhound2005

In this century FF have been as high as 81 seats and as low as 20. FG 76 and 31. Labour 37 and 7. Greens 6 and 0.

Despite the hyperbole, this election is far from the biggest shift in voting patterns. Sinn Fein would do well to remember just how volatile the electorate can be. We are very supportive of politicians in government like Bertie who can deliver a Celtic Tiger. But very unforgiving of those who fail to give us a Tiger. SF will need to come up with the major goodies, or they could easily lose half their seats next time.

meeeeh

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/john_mcguirk/status/1226844404691939328

Agree completely with this.

If you're struggling to put a roof over your head or food on the table do you really give a damn how many women may be elected?

Out of touch.

I'm glad McGuirk found something in last election that cheered him up.

Ush1

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I see almost half of Sinn Féin voters want tax cuts. Less want an increase in spending than Fine Gael voters.

Sinn Féin more Fine Gael than Fine Gael?

Plot twist, Sinn Fein go hard right.

The Rape of Lucretia

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Lot's of female politicians losing their seats.

Yes, its the other story of this election. A big swing against women TDs, as voters feel men just offer a better option or are better suited, as with the swing to SF, to dealing with the critical issues of housing and healthcare. An unexpected shock to the expectation there, and women will have a lot of analysing to do to see where they are going wrong.

Christy42

Ush1 wrote: »

Plot twist, Sinn Fein go hard right.

It is possible. They are meant to be the nationalist party.

I think the main thing stopping them is that they have to be the opposite of the DUP.

As someone who goes left wing myself I can't trust them to actually be left wing when the party gets into power (though I will more than happily take their transfers and over spills to the Greens/Social Democrats).

McMurphy

Paudie Coffey calling for leo to go, saying the party are about to suffer their worst election on record ever.

But replace him with who paudie?

limnam

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Yes, its the other story of this election. A big swing against women TDs, as voters feel men just offer a better option or are better suited, as with the swing to SF, to dealing with the critical issues of housing and healthcare. An unexpected shock to the expectation there, and women will have a lot of analysing to do to see where they are going wrong.

If they felt women were not suited why did they give the female leader of the most popular party in the state such a mandate ?

TheMilkyPirate

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Yes, its the other story of this election. A big swing against women TDs, as voters feel men just offer a better option or are better suited, as with the swing to SF, to dealing with the critical issues of housing and healthcare. An unexpected shock to the expectation there, and women will have a lot of analysing to do to see where they are going wrong.

No it is not the story of this election. Sinn Fein are the story of this election.

I don't think anybody in Ireland didn't vote for a candidate based on the fact that they were a woman. If they did they're in the minority.

Technocentral

Christy42 wrote: »

It is possible. They are meant to be the nationalist party.

I think the main thing stopping them is that they have to be the opposite of the DUP.

As someone who goes left wing myself I can't trust them to actually be left wing when the party gets into power (though I will more than happily take their transfers and over spills to the Greens/Social Democrats).

Greens and SDs are centrists not left. 90% of Shinners I know are left wing.

Eric Cartman

Ush1 wrote: »

Plot twist, Sinn Fein go hard right.

It would be the only saving grace but sadly MLM is looking to the hard left to make numbers

Cody montana

Central Bank wrote: »

Voters should be careful what they wish for, Ireland is one of the wealthiest nations on the planet, if you want to see what real poverty looks like take a look at the socialist paradise that is Venezuela.

Or the Scandinavian countries!

Auguste Comte

FrancieBrady wrote: »

FG need to realise they are being led by somebody who had to wait until the 5th count to be elected and whose party (while he is leader) have never won the popular vote.

Repeat - his party have never been endorsed by the electorate with him as leader and is now firmly the third most popular party in the country. They will of course - being FG, arrogantly try and guilt the Irish electorate and their supporters here will denigrate that electorate. But they should perhaps eat that humble pie, starting with school teacher Paschal.

It wasn't just the electorate that rejected him.

Don't forget that the ordinary members of FG rejected Vradkar in favour of Coveney but the party hierarchy decided to over rule the democratic wishes of the members and impose him on them anyway.

is_that_so

Instant reaction to the election result.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0210/1114331-market-reaction-to-election/

limnam

Central Bank: Ireland is one of the wealthiest nations on the planet.

Yeah and people are trying to kill themselves after been left on a trolly for days.


Come off it.

is_that_so

Cody montana wrote: »

Or the Scandinavian countries!

Nah, we'd never vote for the tax rates they pay. Norway has a wealth tax which is applied to everybody.

Christy42

Technocentral wrote: »

Greens and SDs are centrists not left. 90% of Shinners I know are left wing.

Greens and SD are not centerist. That is silly. The greens only big issue is entirely opposed to where the right have put themselves recently.

Sinn Fein does have strong left support. However they are a strong nationalist party which tends to veer right so I am curious as to how they will go forward from there.

JohnnyFlash

Time now for FG to spend a few years on the opposition benches. Rebuild, do some ‘soul searching’, recognise that being a slightly less popular version of FF doesn’t work, maybe pivot back more to their natural centre-right position.

Time for SF and FF do go into government now. Financial prudence is a hard sell and it will be a government of spending and giveaway budgets. We have to borrow the majority of that money though, and raise the rest by increasing taxes on those running small businesses and those earning over around 50k a year.

meeeeh

Eric Cartman wrote: »

It would be the only saving grace but sadly MLM is looking to the hard left to make numbers

Even if each of Healy Raes gets a portfolio (I already suggested housing and transport) she still won't have the numbers.

There are three main options for government, each possibly with a few additions but it won't be LW government.

Eric Cartman

limnam wrote: »

Yeah and people are trying to kill themselves after been left on a trolly for days.


Come off it.

No party can fix that without breaking the unions, thats not going to happen under anything but a thatcherite hard right government.

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Central Bank wrote: »

Voters should be careful what they wish for, Ireland is one of the wealthiest nations on the planet, if you want to see what real poverty looks like take a look at the socialist paradise that is Venezuela.

Apples and oranges!

Why people bring up the Venezuela argument is beyond me, it isn't relevant. Venezuela is a country torn up due to military rule and the USA bleeding it dry.

It's brought up the whole time against Sanders in the states and always people are made a fool of when they receive their history lesson.

Idbatterim

astrofool wrote: »

Previous crisis/recession/depression caused by out of control house building, narrow tax base and high public sector pay and social welfare.

Sinn Féin 10 years later:
We'll build lots of houses, narrow the tax base again, and increase spending on public sector and social welfare

Public:
VOTE FOR THEM!

At least when all the hand-wringing happens afterwards, we can't say we weren't warned this time

the first boom, billions a year were thrown on top of the welfare budget, they can probably do a lot of what they say, by not increasing it! Lets look at LPT, the only ones paying anything meaningful, that isnt a pittance, are the ones likely being fleeced on income tax now. Either charge it at a proper rate or get rid in my opinion. Ideally get a council tax in place! EVERYONE pays it!

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Cody montana wrote: »

Or the Scandinavian countries!

You can't use a true like for like example, it doesn't fit their narrative!

is_that_so

McMurphy wrote: »

Paudie Coffey calling for leo to go, saying the party are about to suffer their worst election on record ever.

But replace him with who paudie?

Not their worst in terms of seats. It wouldn't be a good idea with the electoral turmoil all about us and the not altogether remote possibility of another election. Here's a summary.

https://www.newstalk.com/news/ex-fine-gael-td-paudie-coffey-calls-leo-vardakar-resign-964954

The other stuff makes sense although I'd say getting the right message out is their biggest failing.