GE Exit Poll 10 pm

Calhoun

Matt Barrett wrote: »

That's the attitude won over the electorate and has us in crises. 'It's not us, it's the public that's wrong'.
I've held off calling all FG supporters me feiner greedy I'm all right jack b******s, because that's generalising and not fair.

I said it when talking about the left and its just as true now, people are not stupid and will vote for whomever message resonates with them the most. That's democracy like it or not, the onus is always on the parties trying to get elected to ensure people vote for them.

The message here for the politicians who choose to listen is that the public mood has shifted from central right to central left. Not surprising after so many years of austerity.

Muahahaha

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

I have given you a direct quote from the VP of the European Commission who is overseeing this case, you cannot get better than that.

Unfortunately I am not privy to documents in an ongoing legal case.

If you can’t comprehend this, then that’s on you, you can believe what you want.

I’d be happy to place a wager with you, proceeds going to a charity, that what I have said is correct. It’s zero risk for me as the €13bn tax deficit is from Apple sales across the EU.

Are you happy to take this wager?

For the third time I have asked you for a source that explicitly and definitively states that Ireland is not going to recieve the 13bn as you have claimed across multiple threads on here. Clearly you cannot do this and admit just as much by saying you are not privy to documents in an ongoing legal case
. This is the important fact here it is an ongoing legal case and one you seem to have missed in your claims that Ireland will not get the 13bn. The case all comes down to whether or not Apple Sales International is an Irish company or not. Until the General Court judges preside on that nobody knows, not you, not me, nobody. Yet you keep claiming you know and when asked to provide a source you cannot :rolleyes:

As for your charity bet, no thanks I already have several direct debts to charities and I dont get involved in willy waving bets with internet randomers where the outcome wont be decided for another 5 years.

denbridn

I think any coalition with FF/FG won’t be accepted and I’m certain it’s not on the table the options in my opinion will be that of a coalition with smaller parties like that of the green or pbp and If that’s not enough for a government then a hung government will cause another general election

James Brown

Deleted User wrote: »

You're new to this politics thingy? You don't fly kites that you know will be shot down in order to save face. The FG government was paralyzed by a lack of a working majority and just kept tipping along at the normal stuff in a workmanlike manner for which they are not getting any credit.

That's simply not true. You suggest all their policies were supported in general be others.
They get credit for Irish Water, Sitserv deal, NCH, Reilly's clinics, Housing crisis, health crisis and looking after their own.

LeinsterDub

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Im sad that there was nobody to vote for, FF and FG weren't going to fix it , SF however will make it worse. There was nobody on that ballot paper who will do a single thing to encourage enterprise, keep skilled professionals here, encourage high earners home or look after who's still here.

The brain drain continues, the lack of skilled professionals will deepen, taxation will get worse for an increasingly depleted middle class and you'll be left with a high crime, high poverty, low opportunity country.

Why don't you actually say what you mean. Tax cuts for the rich.

Jizique

Jizique wrote: »

Do you not like women politicians?
Should she be at home minding the kids?
Did you not support her attempts to improve women’s health and move the country away from the FF-style 1950s when we were ruled by the church?
Or do you just not like FG?

Talking about the 1950's, those 1950's haircuts, particularly on the smug election posters, did Kate no favours.

Her sister didn't do her any favours either

https://www.google.com/amp/s/extra.ie/2020/02/06/news/politics/mary-lube-mcdonald/amp

Yurt!

Yurt! wrote: »

The hard working clever boy demographic tantrum is something to behold. Yeah we get it, you go out to work every day like 95 percent of the population. I don't think they issue any medals for that

We all do. We get in the car or get the bus and go into work, but most of us don't spend our waking hours giving ourselves brain spasms about people in tracksuits smoking cigarettes who may or may not be on the dole.

Anyone who pays the higher rate of tax is not heading into a period of paying more rather than less which was the outlook under FG. They will have to shoulder more of the tax burden due to the idiotic plan to cut usc for lower earners. The one tax which they pay for the most part and was giving some sort of width to the tax burden. Now stupid populist nonsense policy of reducing it will narrow the tax net again.

What is actually needed is a reduction in tax for middle income and higher earner to actually reward them and keep the lower end the same or possibly it a small increase.. Take a small amount from a lot
Of people rather than a lot from fewer.

Itssoeasy

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Im sad that there was nobody to vote for, FF and FG weren't going to fix it , SF however will make it worse. There was nobody on that ballot paper who will do a single thing to encourage enterprise, keep skilled professionals here, encourage high earners home or look after who's still here.

The brain drain continues, the lack of skilled professionals will deepen, taxation will get worse for an increasingly depleted middle class and you'll be left with a high crime, high poverty, low opportunity country.

That's fierce cheerful Eric.

Eric Cartman

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Why don't you actually say what you mean. Tax cuts for the rich.

tax cuts for the working. Just would be nice if there was anyone out to help the worker. those on 30-200k a year are absolutely shafted royally here and its completely unfair.

Loafing Oaf

denbridn wrote: »

I think any coalition with FF/FG won’t be accepted and I’m certain it’s not on the table the options in my opinion will be that of a coalition with smaller parties like that of the green or pbp

A coalition of FF, FG or SF alone with those parties? Numbers not there...

JohnnyFlash

denbridn wrote: »

I think any coalition with FF/FG won’t be accepted and I’m certain it’s not on the table the options in my opinion will be that of a coalition with smaller parties like that of the green or pbp and If that’s not enough for a government then a hung government will cause another general election

I’m not so sure SF actually want to go into government. Government is hard, while being in opposition is very very easy. They might want to keep riding the populist wave for another while and go for second seats in most constituencies. But they’ll have to go into government soon. That’s when the fun will start. Paying for all the stuff they promised.

And then the folks who work for small businesses or have the temerity to earn over 50k a year will be in for a rude awakening. Doesn’t bother me at all, and the nihilist in me actually wants to see it happen now.

Muahahaha

Muahahaha wrote: »

For the third time I have asked you for a source that explicitly and definitively states that Ireland is not going to recieve the 13bn as you have claimed across multiple threads on here. Clearly you cannot do this and admit just as much by saying you are not privy to documents in an ongoing legal case

Please stop. You are just proving that you don't understand tax law. The amounts reckonable for each E.U. Country where tax should have rightly been paid are not assessible at this stage.

James Brown

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Im sad that there was nobody to vote for, FF and FG weren't going to fix it , SF however will make it worse. There was nobody on that ballot paper who will do a single thing to encourage enterprise, keep skilled professionals here, encourage high earners home or look after who's still here.

The brain drain continues, the lack of skilled professionals will deepen, taxation will get worse for an increasingly depleted middle class and you'll be left with a high crime, high poverty, low opportunity country.

Let's see. I think they might make small increases here and there but contrary to the propaganda and insults it's obvious their demographic is not spongers or wasters on dole.
I'm hoping they look after the lower income working tax payer like Varadkar pretended to. Imagine going out to work and being able to afford rent without the tax payer's pocket getting dipped to pay private rental companies?
Spoiler: we have crime and poverty problems.

LeinsterDub

Eric Cartman wrote: »

tax cuts for the working. Just would be nice if there was anyone out to help the worker. those on 30-200k a year are absolutely shafted royally here and its completely unfair.

They are being shafted by free market economics of FF FG. A party who fixes health /housing/transport would save me more money than a very significant tax cut. Those over 100 k are less than 1% of the wage earning population and can easily afford more

Ush1

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

I’m not so sure SF actually want to go into government. Government is hard, while being in opposition is very very easy. They might want to keep riding the populist wave for another while and go for second seats in most constituencies. But they’ll have to go into government soon. That’s when the fun will start. Paying for all the stuff they promised.

And then the folks who work for small businesses or have the temerity to earn over 50k a year will be in for a rude awakening. Doesn’t bother me at all, and the nihilist in me actually wants to see it happen now.

I think most likely there will be another election and Sinn Fein will get a majority government. Giddy up partners.

meeeeh

Eric Cartman wrote: »

tax cuts for the working. Just would be nice if there was anyone out to help the worker. those on 30-200k a year are absolutely shafted royally here and its completely unfair.

No they are not. The earnings in Ireland are fine, services are not. I don't know what's this obsession with offering tax cuts every election (by more or less all parties).

Yurt2

Eric Cartman wrote: »

tax cuts for the working. Just would be nice if there was anyone out to help the worker. those on 30-200k a year are absolutely shafted royally here and its completely unfair.

Up to 200k? I'm not losing sleep about people on 200k, I think they'll be alright whatever comes their way.

limnam

Grayson Tasty Springboard wrote: »

Anyone who pays the higher rate of tax is not heading into a period of paying more rather than less which was the outlook under FG. They will have to shoulder more of the tax burden due to the idiotic plan to cut usc for lower earners. The one tax which they pay for the most part and was giving some sort of width to the tax burden. Now stupid populist nonsense policy of reducing it will narrow the tax net again.

What is actually needed is a reduction in tax for middle income higher earner to actually reward them and at the same put possible it a small increase at the lower end. Take a small amount from a lot
Of people rather than a lot from fewer.

You don't want one populist tax cut


But another populist tax cut?


I guess you're a middle/high income earner. :rolleyes:

Matt Barrett

Matt Barrett wrote: »

That's simply not true. You suggest all their policies were supported in general be others.
They get credit for Irish Water, Sitserv deal, NCH, Reilly's clinics, Housing crisis, health crisis and looking after their own.

You'll interpret anything however it pleases you and in turn you'll accuse me of the same. I don't have to prove this to you. An impartial observer will draw their own conclusions.
Once the hullabaloo dies down and in due course this last Government won't be judged too harshly.

freshpopcorn

LMC7 wrote: »

Surprised enough with Kevin O'Keeffe losing out in Cork East,he lost to a polished 22 year old candidate that looks like he just made his confirmation.

Don't think he was too popular seemingly.

He wasn't that popular. I live near him. He's seen a fool that just smokes and goes to the pub.
He also has this sense of entitlement to his seat.
The amount of people who I heard saying they don't like him and think he's useless is high and they much rather his sister Deirdre.

Feisar

Has anyone done a Hitler Downfall yet?!!

Calhoun

Needs to be a little calm, we haven't got the full numbers yet and we don't know what the new government will look like. You would swear it was end of days type scenario.

Everyone knows that the politics in Ireland is on a slow burn, we won't just change over night.

Fr_Dougal

Muahahaha wrote: »

For the third time I have asked you for a source that explicitly and definitively states that Ireland is not going to recieve the 13bn as you have claimed across multiple threads on here. Clearly you cannot do this and admit just as much by saying you are not privy to documents in an ongoing legal case
. This is the important fact here it is an ongoing legal case and one you seem to have missed in your claims that Ireland will not get the 13bn. The case all comes down to whether or not Apple Sales International is an Irish company or not. Until the General Court judges preside on that nobody knows, not you, not me, nobody. Yet you keep claiming you know and when asked to provide a source you cannot :rolleyes:

As for your charity bet, no thanks I already have several direct debts to charities and I dont get involved in willy waving bets with internet randomers where the outcome wont be decided for another 5 years.

Ha! Didn’t think so!

Ush1

Yurt! wrote: »

Up to 200k? I'm not losing sleep about people on 200k, I think they'll be alright whatever comes their way.

I'm guessing you'll never make 200k to be that worried.

Brendan Bendar

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Jesus I hope they get more than FG, and I say that as a member of FG! Eeeek!

Then they can say, John, as I would say, “nothing to do with us guv”

Fcuk off and sort it out yourselves, as JOC and Barry Cowen said this this morning.

Not in such crude words of course:eek:

namloc1980

Stephen Donnelly will squeak home. Looked like he was goosed yesterday but he'll get in alright.

Suckit

Calhoun wrote: »

Needs to be a little calm, we haven't got the full numbers yet and we don't know what the new government will look like. You would swear it was end of days type scenario.

Everyone knows that the politics in Ireland is on a slow burn, we won't just change over night.

The whingeing is insane. It's not like FFFG didn't bring this on themselves, not sure why their supporters refuse to see that and help by demanding change.. :pac:

threeball

Calhoun wrote: »

Needs to be a little calm, we haven't got the full numbers yet and we don't know what the new government will look like. You would swear it was end of days type scenario.

Everyone knows that the politics in Ireland is on a slow burn, we won't just change over night.

Hopefully our glacial civil service will keep their usual pace and so very little damage can be done whilst they're in power.

Yurt2

This FG denialism about their poor performance in government on key issues and issuing dire warnings about a party that isn't even government yet is quite something.

It's like someone getting fired from an office for a litany of screwups, and they're shouting at the new-hire accusing them of being a sex offender as they're being escorted out the door.

James Brown

Deleted User wrote: »

You'll interpret anything however it pleases you and in turn you'll accuse me of the same. I don't have to prove this to you. An impartial observer will draw their own conclusions.
Once the hullabaloo dies down and in due course this last Government won't be judged too harshly.

Quoting you comrade.
So they were paralyzed but also did good. Okey doke.