GE Exit Poll 10 pm

limnam

They've talked about it now for 25 minutes

Christ all mighty

Foxtrol

Suckit wrote: »

So what about the people that did vote for FG?

"Sorry, we're out, the other boys are too big for us"

Isn't that exactly what SF said after the last election? Were you were extremely critical of them at that point

Suckit

amadangomor wrote: »

Jaysus will you relax:pac: FG would be mad to try and get in government again. They have a far more to gain by sitting in opposition and watch as SF put their money where their mouth is or not as the case may be. Sf might find things are a bit tougher to change when they are holding the reigns. Hope they succeed but really doubt if they will.

It didn't stop them running.

Also I would query how any party with almost the same amount of seats as the other two main parties would benefit from 'watching' and not doing anything for the people that voted them in.

Sir Oxman

ygolometsipe wrote: »

Who's the woman on TV3 giving stick to the ra fella?

The one that replaced Maria Bailey.
Yep.

sondagefaux

Hurrache wrote: »

There hasn't been one in years.

The last time there was a single-party majority government in Ireland was after the 1977 general election.

martingriff

Foxtrol wrote: »

FF & FG plus inds/Greens would last nearly a full term. They're smart enough to spend the money that will be there and hope for improvements in health and housing that will take the air out of SF support.

SF & FF I can't see lasting more than 2 years. Either SF will drag it down when they think it a good time for them politically or some SF scandal will come up and they'll refuse to take the necessary steps that FF will demand.

The real players in FG may sound out they want to form a government in public but in private they want no part. They know it will last only a few years and they be getting themselves ready.

JohnnyFlash

Suckit wrote: »

So what about the people that did vote for FG?

"Sorry, we're out, the other boys are too big for us"

To answer your question.
No, I don't ever want to see this FG in government, they have already proven how incable they are.

Reverse the question,
do you want to see SF in government, and, if so, did you want to see them in a future Government before the election was called?

No I don’t want to see SF in government. I don’t like the idea. However they got the largest percentage of the popular vote, the 2nd most seats, and would have almost 50 seats ( conservative estimate) if they had run two candidates in some constituencies. The people want change and that’s democracy. They don’t want FG. FG need to accept that and go into opposition.

amadangomor

Suckit wrote: »

It didn't stop them running.

All parties will do things as part of a long term strategy. I can guarantee MLM is contemplating going into opposition again as she might be a bigger winner in the next election. She won't be saying it publicly of course but she would be mad not to include it as an option. That's the nature of politics

Suckit

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

No I don’t want to see SF in government. I don’t like the idea. However they got the largest percentage of the popular vote, the 2nd most seats, and would have almost 50 seats ( conservative estimate) if they had run two candidates in some constituencies. The people want change and that’s democracy. They don’t want FG. FG need to accept that and go into opposition.

That's pretty much the answer I expected from you tbh.



But you pushing for an SF government here won't get anything done, you need to go out on to the streets and mingle with the people to get them to tell SF to do it or they won't vote for them again.. :rolleyes:

McMurphy

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

I think Nox is a Galway man like myself, Murph. He’s talking about Seán Canney from up Tuam direction I’d imagine. East Galway was one of the only constituencies not to return the SF candidate.

Sorry John I didn't have a scooby doo where the poster in question is from - just going by the statement that he or she voted indy, but that indy was basically a FG candidate in everything but name.

Just watching VM1 here, the SF lad shouting up the RA taking a fair bit of heat, deservedly so imo, they're after making serious inroads, no need for it if they're wanting to be taken seriously.

I've no issue with what he shouted by the way, but some things are best shouted when in the company of like-minded people, and away from the public eye.

And yeah, I'll draw comparisons with any notion of a state commemoration to celebrate the tans.

Foxtrol

martingriff wrote: »

The real players in FG may sound out they want to form a government in public but in private they want no part. They know it will last only a few years and they be getting themselves ready.

Agree that it would be the FG preference but if SF (and there supporters based on this) are too scared to go into government then FG will eventually agree to it 'for the good of the nation'.

Both FG and FF will rightfully paint SF as again putting their party above the country and hope things have improved by the time they go to the polls again.

Given how the polls were looking during the campaign I'd say most FG folk would have taken being in this position.

fritzelly

How are the last 2 seats likely to go anyone know?
All those predictions of FF being the main party are out the window now it seems

McMurphy

Sir Oxman wrote: »

The FG one has an unfortunate permanently snooty sneering face which doesn't help her attack

I'm not familiar with her who is she?

She looks like she'd take a dump on the shinners head if she could cock her leg high enough in the air to do it.

Fr_Dougal

Muahahaha wrote: »

It was on the main IT.MRBI Ipsos exit poll, should be in here if youve enough articles left, I dont so cant check right now
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/detailed-election-2020-exit-poll-results-how-voters-answered-15-questions-1.4167016?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fdetailed-election-2020-exit-poll-results-how-voters-answered-15-questions-1.4167016

Couldn’t see anything about it in the link. Interestingly it did say that 17% of SF voters highest academic achievement was Inter Cert/Junior Cert.

ygolometsipe

McMurphy wrote: »

I'm not familiar with her who is she?

She looks like she'd take a dump on the shinners head if she could cock her leg high enough in the air to do it.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/election-2020-jennifer-carroll-macneill-fine-gael-1.4168938

blackcard

Suckit wrote: »

It won't be FG anyway, they're cowering in a corner somewhere, blaming the stupid voters.
So it will likely be FF and wheover they can muster together. Greens and SF likely.
ut if Mary Lou tries for Taoiseach, all deals are off, as MM is likely only going to settle for anything if he can be Taoiseach.
FG may think they are playing the smarter game, but it may come crumbling down on top of them as the only party not willing to cooperate.

In fairness, FG have been in government for 9 years, coming into power when the country was in the middle of a bailout so they weren't cowering in a corner. Up to SF and FF now. Probably a rotating Taoiseach in fairness. SF spent the entire campaign saying it was time for a change and are now saying that FG should be trying to form a government

STB.

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

No I don’t want to see SF in government. I don’t like the idea. However they got the largest percentage of the popular vote, the 2nd most seats, and would have almost 50 seats ( conservative estimate) if they had run two candidates in some constituencies. The people want change and that’s democracy. They don’t want FG. FG need to accept that and go into opposition.

But they didn't win 50 seats. They won 37 out of 160. There is a lot that can be said for vote management for all parties after the event.

The reality is that there are two traditional centre right parties that combined have 73 seats. Sinn Fein can talk all they want claiming they have won the popular vote, they do not have the seats. The party with the most seats are FF.

The electorate is clearly split.

The Rape of Lucretia

McMurphy wrote: »

I'm not familiar with her who is she?

She looks like she'd take a dump on the shinners head if she could cock her leg high enough in the air to do it.

She's the seat that Maria Bailey won for FG. No swing gate, FG a seat less.
Radser definitely owes her a few drinks in The Dean.
Incidentally, Hugo would be a former international team mate of Paul Dean. Small world.

Suckit

STB. wrote: »

But they didn't win 50 seats. They won 37 out of 160. There is a lot that can be said for vote management for all parties after the event.

The reality is that there are two traditional centre right parties that combined have 73 seats. Sinn Fein can talk all they want claiming they have won the popular vote, they do not have the seats. The party with the most seats are FF.

The electorate is clearly split.

It suits him to alter the numbers to how they could be..

McMurphy

ygolometsipe wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/election-2020-jennifer-carroll-macneill-fine-gael-1.4168938

Yep know who it is now alright.

She's attacking Sinn Fein and not in the job a wet day - literally.

Seriously lads, FG need to seriously consider looking at their pr guru's, take the whole team on a tone down the snootiness team building weekend or something.

They'll never learn.

FF man boasting how they're the bigger party like it's a micky measuring competition, the reality hasn't hit him yet that assuming it goes their way, it'll be by one seat and the CC gets automatically returned anyway.

JohnnyFlash

Suckit wrote: »

It suits him to alter the numbers to how they could be..

Aren’t you the lad who thought a working government could be formed with 61 seats? No offence dude, but I’d suggest numbers aren’t your forte.

martingriff

The 1 things that made me shake my head at SF and it is an optic thing is that singing of the Black & Tans and the flag waving yesterday. If they want to be in government (and I know they can't control some who may come to a count centre) SF need to be mindful of what they say can be portrait

limnam

McMurphy wrote: »

Yep know who it is now alright.

She's attacking Sinn Fein and not in the job a wet day - literally.

Seriously lads, FG need to seriously consider looking at their pr guru's, take the whole team on a tone down the snootiness team building weekend or something.

They'll never learn.

FF man boasting how they're the bigger party like it's a micky measuring competition, the reality hasn't hit him yet that assuming it goes their way, it'll be by one seat and the CC gets automatically returned anyway.

She's a dose.

Out of touch D4 toff.

limnam

martingriff wrote: »

The 1 things that made me shake my head at SF and it is an optic thing is that sings of the Black & Tans and the flag waving yesterday. If they want to be in government (and I know they can't control some who may come to a count centre) SF need to be mindful of what they say can be portrait

I saw some FF TD waving an irish top with his name on it today

no one batted an eye lid

Fr_Dougal

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Couldn’t see anything about it in the link. Interestingly it did say that 17% of SF voters highest academic achievement was Inter Cert/Junior Cert.

No surprise there.

James Brown

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Couldn’t see anything about it in the link. Interestingly it did say that 17% of SF voters highest academic achievement was Inter Cert/Junior Cert.

So what?

JohnnyFlash

limnam wrote: »

She's a dose.

Out of touch D4 toff.

There’ll be less FG women in the Dáil for the regulars around here to throw shade at. One drawback for the men (always men) of the current affairs forum.

martingriff

limnam wrote: »

I saw some FF TD waving an irish top with his name on it today

no one batted an eye lid

It was all of it together for me.

The Rape of Lucretia

limnam wrote: »

She's a dose.

Out of touch D4 toff.

Not out of touch with D4. Are they not as entitled to representation as anyone else ?

The Rape of Lucretia

limnam wrote: »

She's a dose.

Out of touch D4 toff.

Former advisor to Alan Shatter and Frances Fitzgerald, so she knows the legal ropes.