GE Exit Poll 10 pm

is_that_so

Snow Garden wrote: »

Do you think FG will finish with the most seats? I think they might but so many constituencies will be dogfights.
FF have done badly in Dublin again. FG started the campaign badly but finished it well.

I don't know but I have been of the opinion that they won't as they have the most second seats which could come under pressure so still going for FF as the biggest party.

listermint

Fred Cryton wrote: »

The fault for that lies with the lefty DCC...not national government. Young people are unaware of this and embarrassed themselves.

99% of Ireland has very affordable housing, no need for young people to be living in the city centre now is there.

Actually... There is.

Where do you think the retail workers. Cafe workers and all the other ancillary workers come from..

Not your demographic clearly.

thequarefellow

Fred Cryton wrote: »

The fault for that lies with the lefty DCC...not national government. Young people are unaware of this and embarrassed themselves.

99% of Ireland has very affordable housing, no need for young people to be living in the city centre now is there.

Simply wrong.

listermint

Hurrache wrote: »

In fairness I think it's apt. The theme of the election is to just change the government, but with little thought put into the policies of the parties they want change too. A change alone will resolve all the country's problems.

It's crap.

All parties have outlined polices .

All of them.

James Brown

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

You refuse to realise that both scenarios are more or less exactly the same though.

Brexit type mania had no information behind it, just a jingoistic mindset, get out of EU at any cost even if it destroys us.

SF mania is exactly the same. I very much doubt that all this SF mania is the result of people actually reading and analysing their manifesto and costings. No it is because it it right for us now, we need change and so on.

The comparison is very valid IMO. But I understand your anger at me. Sorry about that.

#whataboutff?
You just sound bitter comrade.
Could say the same about FF.

meeeeh

Matt Barrett wrote: »

You know it's a three way split right?
Every politician is telling the people who vote for them what they want to hear.
This Trump comparison is the latest in a tyraid of nasty insulting sneers from folk unhappy a third party is a viable option ongoing.
Any fan of democracy should appreciate how healthy that is.
FF and FG will need be better rather than waiting in the wings on the other to fail.

It's a protest vote against the establishment. In Greece it went to Shiriza (until they became establishment) in Spain to Podemos, in Germany to AfD and in US to Trump, in UK it settled around Brexit Tories (very ironic). It has nothing to do with appreciating democracy, it's an observation.

Fred Cryton

storker wrote: »

It kind of is the tradition squeezed middle too, though. My wife and I both work, we have our own house with an affordable mortgage, we run a car, eat out several times a year and have a nice holiday once a year. We still think the current housing situation is a disgrace though, and we will vote to get it fixed even though we don't need it fixed for ourselves because (a) we are a part of a society and (b) our kids will need to house themselves at some time in the future. Similarly, we want to see the health service improved even though we have private health insurance, and not just because my wife works in it.

Right but what we can say for certain is that SF will make both health and housing worse.

Health - they will increase the already very high marginal tax rate, driving consultants and doctors out of the country

Housing - immediately, billions of investment in housing by investment funds will disappear if SF got in

pimpmyhat

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Harshly treated you say!

This is the problem, the youth have no memory (of what went before) when Sinn Fein couldn't give a sh1t as to who got shot, tortured, kneecapped, or blown to pieces by their 'alter ego' :mad:

I'm over 55.

The current sinn fein candidates who are doing their best for their communities. Can't be held accountable for someone's actions before most of them were even born.
That's not fair.
You don't have to go back much further when founders of Fianna fail and fine Gael parties were involved in brutal acts.

Irish_rat

brendanwalsh wrote: »

Nervous times for the people who get out of bed to work every morning.

Grim enough results.

If Sinn Fein ran 80 candidates they’d have romped home with a majority.

Dramatic much. The world goes on and I didn't vote SF

JohnnyFlash

Francie Barrett wrote: »

I don't think paramilitary action is the way to go on this.

I am a dyed in the wool Fine Gael'er, but it's clear to me that we have let young people down in this country. We have folks here spending half their incomes on housing for sh1tboxes - it's inexcusable. Radical action is needed to get housing prices down.

People who are now pensioners were told that buying investment properties was a way of saving for their retirement. This happened in earnest during the Bertie and Charlie McCreevy era. We now have the wealthiest pensioners in history and a lack of housing stock that would normally have traded hands between people who wanted to live in the house.

Not the only macro issue impacting affordability - move towards city living, attracting multinationals leads to inward migration of highly paid workers pushing out the traditional working class, pension funds investing in property etc.

Extremely complex issue and parties suggesting they have an easy fix is compete horseshït.

listermint

brendanwalsh wrote: »

Nervous times for the people who get out of bed to work every morning.

Grim enough results.

If Sinn Fein ran 80 candidates they’d have romped home with a majority.

The majority of the population get out of bed to work every morning.

When are people going to stop using such absolute dumb sun tabloid catch phrases.

Jesus it makes you look ill informed.

Hurrache

listermint wrote: »

It's crap.

All parties have outlined polices .

All of them.

Who said they didn't? Certainly not me in the post you quoted.

The Rape of Lucretia

smelly sock wrote: »

I voted SF because I want change.

And you might get it. If you voted SF because you want change for the better, then you will be sorely disappointed. It is a single issue party - a 32 country Ireland. Nobody voted for them when that was their only song politically, and their effort was going into terrorism. When they realised that was a road to nowhere, they adopted politics, and are now trying that road, saying whatever is necessary to see if that is more successful in the 32 county aim. Any interest in politics is secondary, inconsequential, or even a damaging price worth paying if it takes them to their true goal. Selling out those who voted for them, and leaving them worse off, is a trivial price to pay, when you have already rationalised literally murdering people.

Francie Barrett

KD11 wrote: »

I just can't believe that people actually think FF and Micheal martin can be trusted to carry on the recovery seeing as how badly they screwed us all over the last time.

I don't like Sinn Fein. I will never vote for Sinn Fein. At the same time, it was Fianna Fail and Martin (a central figure at the time) who imploded our economy.

I am still aghast that Martin and his ilk have the temerity to seek election again. It's truly appalling.

trashcan

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

https://twitter.com/shaunamurphy_x/status/1226271945852956675?s=19

Fred Cryton wrote: »

People feeling frustrated over rents and the price of housing in central Dublin is no excuse for voting for a bunch of gurriers, provos and lefty populists. Imagine a bunch of unelected men in Belfast with links to violence (100% men, despite the feminine front) having control over this State. We would seriously have to think about a military coup if they ever got control. It's simply unacceptable.

Jaysus. :eek:

Military coup now, is it ? Wow. If Sinn Fein do end up in Government, they won't be there alone.

listermint

Hurrache wrote: »

Who said they didn't? Certainly not me in the post you quoted.

You did.

You basically said people were voting for change with no polices.

I replied to you. Which is why I quoted you.

Own your words lad.

Fred Cryton

listermint wrote: »

Actually... There is.

Where do you think the retail workers. Cafe workers and all the other ancillary workers come from..

Not your demographic clearly.

Ever hear of the bus or train?

EagererBeaver

meeeeh wrote: »

I would overly worry with under 25s, they always think Che t shirts and PLO scarves are cool.

And their vote matters no less than yours.

Spanish Eyes

listermint wrote: »

I've no anger.

You've form in this btw. Pretending a poster is angry when in fact they are just pointing out your logical fallacies.

Surely you find your continued argument that the Irish election poll is the same as brexit is a loss


It's failed all metrics.

Effort . Zero.

I don't think I said that the Irish election poll is the same as Brexit at all really.

I said the MINDSET is the same. Rush to the barricades, never mind the consequences or the history, it will all be grand and our lives will improve exponentially tomorrow. Course it will.

But it won't and everyone knows it who has half a brain. SF is toxic, Brexit is toxic, those who voted SF and those who voted Brexit did so on an ideology not a thought through thing at all.Thinking something or some party will solve all your problems with idiotic policies is asking for trouble. But there we are. No thought given, follow the herd, be grand.

Hurrache

listermint wrote: »

You did.

You basically said people were voting for change with no polices.

I replied to you. Which is why I quoted you.

Own your words lad.

Still don't think you're reading what I posted.

markodaly

dxhound2005 wrote: »

That's some disaster for FF if 22% is true. 41.6% in 2007 (Bertie), 17.4 2011, 24.3 2016 Micheál. Any other party would have ditched him long ago.

This along with the rise of SF is the story of the election as well.
If indeed this poll is accurate, then it means that FF has suffered its second-worst GE, the worst being 2011.

The old heads thought that they could have waltzed into government with about 60+ seats to resume their position as the government party.
Not anymore.

It is one thing for FG, after 9 years of power to be on 22% but for FF??
MM days are numbered, even if he does go to the Aras and gets his seal.
However, who else in FF could have done a better job? FF lack real talent in its front bench. No one really inspires.

dxhound2005

McMurphy wrote: »

When was that said have you a source for that?

After the last election they put Gerry Adams forward for Taoiseach but he was not elected. They refused to be in government unless Gerry was Taoiseach. They passed the following motion at the last Ard Fheis, and I have never heard them say it does not stand.

91. This Ard Fheis commits the party to develop, build and lead a coalition of left of
centre parties and social movements for a socialist economic programme with
dynamic green industrial policies to provide for an alternative left government
to take power at the next elections in the 26 Counties.
This Ard Fheis urges co-operation with other left of centre parties and
social movements to advance above policy objectives and to address rural
deprivations and ensure fairness and equality of opportunity for all citizens on
the island.
This Ard Fheis commends our Constitution’s objective, namely to establish
a ‘Democratic Socialist Republic’ via the means of ‘advancing an all-Ireland
agenda which realises the centrality of equality and human rights, participatory
engagement and economic democracy’.
Ard Fheis recognises that the tweedledum and the tweedledee policies of
Fine Gael and Fianna Fail and the austerity policies of the Tories have failed.
This Ard Fheis asserts that Sinn Féin is the party of aspiration and
fundamental change for the overwhelming number of our citizens with its
policy mix of economic growth, job creation, tax and income redistributions,
climate change, investment in infrastructure and public services that provide
for first class health provision, educational opportunities and social services for
the many and not just the few.
This Ard Fheis commits that future manifestos reflect a full throated socialist
appeal to achieve social and economic democracy for all citizens and to bring
about a fundamental and irreversible shift in the balance of wealth and power
in favour of working people and their families.
Mairead Farrell Cumann (M

meeeeh

storker wrote: »

It kind of is the tradition squeezed middle too, though. My wife and I both work, we have our own house with an affordable mortgage, we run a car, eat out several times a year and have a nice holiday once a year. We still think the current housing situation is a disgrace though, and we will vote to get it fixed even though we don't need it fixed for ourselves because (a) we are a part of a society and (b) our kids will need to house themselves at some time in the future. Similarly, we want to see the health service improved even though we have private health insurance, and not just because my wife works in it.

And because one or both of you work in public sector you will be insulated from policies that will damage economy. I'm in a similar situation but since we are running a business voting for SF would be like turkeys voting for Christmas.

James Brown

meeeeh wrote: »

It's a protest vote against the establishment. In Greece it went to Shiriza (until they became establishment) in Spain to Podemos, in Germany to AfD and in US to Trump, in UK it settled around Brexit Tories (very ironic). It has nothing to do with appreciating democracy, it's an observation.

We have floating voters. Now, we finally have a viable 3rd option. No more FF or FG by default.
Also it's a three way split. No clear landslide. You're just trying to insult people over your sour grapes. I'd suggest less FG and FF voters read their manifestos.

Yurt2

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Well not Dubai, but if you pay for it, like I am paying for every goddam thing in this country with no "entitlements" to anything, be my guest. You are obviously a bit annoyed. No need.

I think we could organise a whip-around handy enough.

I'm sure the Revenue would miss your massive clever hard working boy tax contributions loads.

boggerman1

smelly sock wrote: »

I voted SF because I want change.

Voted sf for all the promises that they cannot deliever on.bring back the imf fast.there’s a certain element in this country that another bloody recession wouldn’t do any harm to given they forgot the last one only in past decade.ok fg have made mistakes but f€€k me they have had a tough job cleaning up Fianna failure’s mess with the greens

whatawaster

brendanwalsh wrote: »

If Sinn Fein ran 80 candidates they’d have romped home with a majority.

I don't think you understand the exit poll

is_that_so

2016 comparison
RTÉ Exit Poll: FG 24.8% FF 21.1% Ind 16.6% SF 16.0% Lab 7.1% AAA 4.7% Green 3.6% SD 3.7% Renua 2.4%
Actual 25.5% 24.4% 14.9% 13.8% 6.6% 3.9% 2.7% 3.0% 2.2%

Idbatterim

FG supporters , you can thank your own party for the sf surge !

James Brown

Yurt! wrote: »

I think we could organise a whip-around handy enough.

I'm sure the Revenue would miss your massive clever hard working boy tax contributions loads.

He sounds very entitled.