GE Exit Poll 10 pm

Foxtrol

Wanderer78 wrote: »

FFG are centre left?

In international terms they probably wouldn't be far off

omega man

Why should FG or FF go into government when we’re been told SF won the election and the people voted for change and all that...
Let them at it

Foxtrol

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Then there is another election. And the bulk of them should be rejected at that ballot as having proven themselves incompetent to govern.

It'll be a bad look for SF if they can't make a deal with either the other 'left' parties nor FF. No party will likely ever get a majority so if you're incapable of working with others then why vote for you

The Rape of Lucretia

omega man wrote: »

Why should FG or FF go into government when we’re been told SF won the election and the people voted for change and all that...
Let them at it

The question only appears to arise if you accept the false statement. Realise the statement is nonsense, and your question evaporates away.

Jump_In_Jack

Micheál Martin said he wouldn't go into government with Sinn Féin during the campaign.
If he breaks that promise now there should be another election.

Fine Gael also made that promise and are following through on it.

Sinn Féin should be looking for another election immediately to increase their number of seats.

The smaller parties and independents should stay out of government with FG and FF or they will be hated by the majority of voters.

A new election would be the best way to deliver the sort of government the people are voting for.
The sooner the better too.

Plumbthedepths

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Then there is another election. And the bulk of them should be rejected at that ballot as having proven themselves incompetent to govern.

Who ever is telling you SF won the election is an idiot. FF have the most seats and basic maths would dictate they have the numbers to try and form a government. Very bad optics if like FG they get their ball and leave the pitch.

limnam

Celebrities saying up the ra now and it's trending on twitter.

Will FG/FF ever learn..

sondagefaux

limnam wrote: »

No it wasn't in great shape. But the point been made was FG blamed the previous government for 9 years.

Mostly reasonable given the scale of the damage done by the previous FF-Green Party government.

Not when it comes to housing though: a state agency issued a report after FG-Labour came to power, stating that far more housing would need to be built to keep pace with upcoming demand and to help keep rents and house price increases down.

Technocentral

Geuze wrote: »

https://www.sinnfein.ie/files/2020/SF_GE2020_Manifesto.pdf

GIVING WORKERS AND FAMILIES A BREAK – Tax Spend €2.4 BILLION
- Abolish USC on the first €30,000 earned €1,219 million
- Abolish Local Property Tax €485 million
- Increase Earned Income Credit to €1,650 €35 million
- 1 month rent relief €301 million
- Retain Mortgage interest relief €35 million
- Restore tax credit for trade union membership €40 million
- End Motor tax surcharge for quarterly and 6-month payments €43 million
- Abolish 3% stamp duty on non-life insurance policies €160 million
- Abolish 2% levy on non-life insurance policies €69 million




FUNDING REAL CHANGE AND A BETTER FUTURE – Tax Revenue €3.8 BILLION
- End the corporation tax break for the banks €175 million
- Increase income from the annual bank levy €50 million
- Tax intangible assets onshored by multinationals €722 million
- Introduce a 5% high income levy on individual incomes above €140,000 €452 million
- Taper out tax credits on individual incomes over €100,000 to €140,000 €260 million
- Introduce a wealth tax for the wealthiest 1% in the State at a rate of 1% on the
portion of net wealth held over €1 million with a number of exemptions including farms €89 million
Abolish the Special Assignee Relief Programme €23 million
- Increase Capital Acquisition Tax by 3% to rate of 36% €45 million
- Reduce subsidies to gold-plated pensions by reducing the earnings
limit and reducing the Standard Fund Threshold to €1.2 million €494 million
- Introduce a 15.75% rate of employer’s PRSI on portion of salaries
over €100,000 €532 million
- Increase excise duty on a packet of cigarettes over 5 years €175 million
- Increase Stamp Duty on commercial property to 12.5% €440 million
- Increase the Dividend Withholding Tax on REITs and IREFs to 33% €20 million
- Increase the Vacant Site Levy to 15% to prevent land hoarding €107 million
- Introduce a 2nd home charge at a rate of €400 €104 million
- Replace Help-to-Buy scheme with pubic and affordable homes €102 million

Very sensible stuff, would love to see this implemented.

Mantis Toboggan

limnam wrote: »

Celebrities saying up the ra now and it's trending on twitter.

Will FG/FF ever learn..

https://twitter.com/ChloeSheary/status/1226993938822811648?s=19

Foxtrol

limnam wrote: »

Celebrities saying up the ra now and it's trending on twitter.

Will FG/FF ever learn..

Celebrities are well known as being a very wise and educated bunch

Jump_In_Jack

It would be interesting to see how badly FG and FF would be hit in the polls for making promises before an election to not negotiate with other parties.
It seems undemocratic to decide before an election which parties a party will or will not negotiate with.
That should be for the voters to decide.

Sweet.Science

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

It would be interesting to see how badly FG and FF would be hit in the polls for making promises before an election to not negotiate with other parties.
It seems undemocratic to decide before an election which parties a party will or will not negotiate with.
That should be for the voters to decide.

Rule No 1 - you don't negotiate with terrorists.

This is it

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ChloeSheary/status/1226993938822811648?s=19

All this whataboutery bullshît. People can have an issue with both.

limnam

sondagefaux wrote: »

Mostly reasonable given the scale of the damage done by the previous FF-Green Party government.

Not when it comes to housing though: a state agency issued a report after FG-Labour came to power, stating that far more housing would need to be built to keep pace with upcoming demand and to help keep rents and house price increases down.

You think people dieing left on trolleys is reasonable?


We're doomed.

Foxtrol

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

Micheál Martin said he wouldn't go into government with Sinn Féin during the campaign.
If he breaks that promise now there should be another election.

Fine Gael also made that promise and are following through on it.

Sinn Féin should be looking for another election immediately to increase their number of seats.

The smaller parties and independents should stay out of government with FG and FF or they will be hated by the majority of voters.

A new election would be the best way to deliver the sort of government the people are voting for.
The sooner the better too.

What is the sort of government the people are voting for? In the best of circumstances during a wave of support 'the left' have less support than the center TDs (even if it was possible for the left to function together).

I don't think another election will go quite the way you think and even worse if SF are seen to be forcing it.

This is it

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

It would be interesting to see how badly FG and FF would be hit in the polls for making promises before an election to not negotiate with other parties.
It seems undemocratic to decide before an election which parties a party will or will not negotiate with.
That should be for the voters to decide.

Voters may have voted on the basis that the party, FF or FG, wouldn't do business with SF. Wouldn't it be undemocratic to go against those wishes? Hard to know either way.

Loafing Oaf

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

It would be interesting to see how badly FG and FF would be hit in the polls for making promises before an election to not negotiate with other parties.
It seems undemocratic to decide before an election which parties a party will or will not negotiate with.
That should be for the voters to decide.

Surely they will have paid whatever the price is for that in the election just gone? Or are FG to be punished for standing by that promise, while FF will be rewarded for breaking it, if that is what they end up doing?

The Rape of Lucretia

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

It would be interesting to see how badly FG and FF would be hit in the polls for making promises before an election to not negotiate with other parties.
It seems undemocratic to decide before an election which parties a party will or will not negotiate with.
That should be for the voters to decide.

Nó. That is exactly democratic. People know what they are choosing, and can vote for it or not. It's now too late to demand that FF and FG change their positions.

So voters did decide.

limnam

Foxtrol wrote: »

Celebrities are well known as being a very wise and educated bunch

There's one FG should get very familiar with


barbra streisand

Brendan Bendar

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

Micheál Martin said he wouldn't go into government with Sinn Féin during the campaign.
If he breaks that promise now there should be another election.

Fine Gael also made that promise and are following through on it.

Sinn Féin should be looking for another election immediately to increase their number of seats.

The smaller parties and independents should stay out of government with FG and FF or they will be hated by the majority of voters.

A new election would be the best way to deliver the sort of government the people are voting for.
The sooner the better too.

An awful lot of suppositions in that post.

All of them wrong.

LeinsterDub

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Rule No 1 - you don't negotiate with terrorists.

Both FF and FG and others did and it lead to the GFA

Foxtrol

limnam wrote: »

There's one FG should get very familiar with


barbra streisand

Isn't what you're referencing basically what happened repeatedly with SF over the last few weeks?

Mary Lou trying to hide the comments about Paul Quinn by claiming they were never made which led to them being dug up and the whole thing being dragged out. Again, the initial attempts to hide the 'up the ra' incident led to people finding the video.

But I'm sure there's an excuse why those are different and rather than being self-inflicted by SF they are all the media/FF/FG's fault

CatFromHue

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ChloeSheary/status/1226993938822811648?s=19

There were no withheld results that affected treatment.

There were issues with disclosure of past results but no one showed up with symptoms of the cancer and were then turned away.

seamus

This is it wrote: »

All this whataboutery bullshît. People can have an issue with both.

Yeah, this isn't going the way limnam thinks it is on Twitter.

Sinn Féin are getting killed for it while the bots shout "wHaT aBoUt De HoMeLeSs"

And SF support on Twitter is generally huge, but it's gone quiet today.

limnam

Foxtrol wrote: »

Isn't what you're referencing basically what happened repeatedly with SF over the last few weeks?

Mary Lou trying to hide the comments about Paul Quinn by claiming they were never made which led to them being dug up and the whole thing being dragged out. Again, the initial attempts to hide the 'up the ra' incident led to people finding the video.

But I'm sure there's an excuse why those are different and rather than being self-inflicted by SF they are all the media/FF/FG's fault

How could she hide what was already in the public domain?


Myabe if FF/FG concentrated on attacking the SF manifesto etc and not what someone said over a decade ago they wouldn't be in the mess they're in now.


He sang a song that was number 1 in the charts in the uk and ireland because of leo!


He waves an IRISH flag!


He said up the RA!


That's what we may end up with opposition.


doomed.

JohnnyFlash

limnam wrote: »

You think people dieing left on trolleys is reasonable?


We're doomed.

Health care is an almost impossible issue to solve.

Here are a handful of the reasons:

People are living far longer (because of investment in health - square that circle). This healthcare is expensive, complex, and often involved long stays in hospital.

We invest more in healthcare per capita than any other country in Europe. Much of this is lost to missed economies of scale due to our obsession with useless ‘county town’ hospitals.

The HSC is a lumbering behemoth with no centralised delivery of even basic services like IT and Logistics. But we cannot solve this as any investment in ancillary services as opposed to the frontline will be met with howls of indignation.

Our cancer care plan now involves us having the beat outcomes in Europe for a wide range of cancers. We invested hugely in that.

All parties have signed up to Slainte care. It’s the only game in town, and the good work of the much maligned Harris.

However it won’t be enough. This is a worldwide issue. Healthcare is becoming ever more complex and expensive, and people are living into their 90’s. It’s an enormous societal issue and there is no easy answer.

Any parties suggesting otherwise are being incredibly disingenuous and populist. They need to be called out on it.

Brendan Bendar

Foxtrol wrote: »

Isn't what you're referencing basically what happened repeatedly with SF over the last few weeks?

Mary Lou trying to hide the comments about Paul Quinn by claiming they were never made which led to them being dug up and the whole thing being dragged out. Again, the initial attempts to hide the 'up the ra' incident led to people finding the video.

But I'm sure there's an excuse why those are different and rather than being self-inflicted by SF they are all the media/FF/FG's fault

Just a few lads buck leppin’ Fox, nothing too important, just a pair newly elected representatives well ‘doing what they do’.

That’s a good start.......

limnam

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Health care is an almost impossible issue to solve.

.

It is if you keep putting people in it who do things like hide cervical cancer results from women.


What does this even mean? Lets just put up with what we have?


This is as good as it gets?


No I'm sorry, it's not. It's a shambles.

Brendan Bendar

limnam wrote: »

It is if you keep putting people in it who do things like hide cervical cancer results from women.


What does this even mean? Lets just put up with what we have?


This is as good as it gets?


No I'm sorry, it's not. It's a shambles.

Nobody “put in people”who do things like like hide cervical cancer results from women.