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GE Exit Poll 10 pm

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    #5072
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    jos28 wrote: »
    73 with everyone but FF/FG/GP ??

    That's basically 10 short not factoring in that Labour are saying they are not interested and how would they bridge the gap between say the Greens and PBP?


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    #5073
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    jos28 wrote: »
    73 with everyone but FF/FG/GP ??

    There are several gene pool indos formally FG/FF they won't go in with SF.
    The numbers don't work.


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    #5074
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    No date disclosed but they do it after an election where they lose. He'll be fine.
    https://www.newstalk.com/news/donohoe-leo-varadkar-will-continue-party-leader-964815


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    #5075
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,541 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Not sure what type of policies would see all PBP TDs support a Govn't?


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    #5076
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Water John wrote: »
    Not sure what type of policies would see all PBP TDs support a Govn't?
    They live for opposition!


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    #5077
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Brendan Bendar wrote: »
    Don’t know what your point is.

    If a party has a manifesto which is totally at odds with yours, why would you have any interaction with them.

    My friend, FG and FF have walked the walk, I have no great interest in FF but fair is fair, they took a huge hit in the Brexit negotiations.

    Now this strategy put no money in anyone’s pocket, just secured the future and prevented our country being very seriously hit.

    This of course did not resonate with the base support for SF, FF and FG got no kudos whatsoever from that.

    So, I have no problem at all with a second election, the left have been sniping from the wings for years, promising everything from a populist point of view and now are bricking themselves as they have been forced from under their slates.

    So, let’s see how they operate and who are those they hit to achieve their aim.

    Let’s see if their tax policy hits their own support base.

    Uhmmmm.......

    Repeat after me.


    The
    Left
    Don't
    Have
    The
    Numbers


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    #5078
    jos28
    Registered Users Posts: 7,195 ✭✭✭jos28


    Sorry, I phrased my last post incorrectly, I meant to include the GP in the mix with SF which = 85. I had the impression that Labour could be persuaded but even with that how could they ever achieve any form of unified policies.


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    #5079
    I Am The Law
    Registered Users Posts: 657 ✭✭✭I Am The Law


    All this idle speculation is pointless, the election is over, you've all made your choice,

    All together now,

    Soldiers are we, whose lives are pledged to Ireland,
    Some have come from a land beyond the wave.
    Sworn to be free, no more our ancient sireland,
    Shall shelter the despot or the slave.
    Tonight we man the ‘bearna bhaoil’
    In Erin's cause, come woe or weal,
    'Mid cannons' roar and rifles peal,
    We'll chant a soldier's song.


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    #5080
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users Posts: 19,569 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Water John wrote: »
    Not sure what type of policies would see all PBP TDs support a Govn't?

    Me neither Water, seems these dudes just want to be elected and ride high on the taxpayers back.

    Unfortunately it would appear that a coterie of folk are taken in by these windbags and actually believe their cant and rhetoric.

    Shure, if you want to do nothing to help yourself, why wouldn’t you support those who have the same ideals.

    No Brainer for this poster.


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    #5081
    jos28
    Registered Users Posts: 7,195 ✭✭✭jos28


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    Repeat after me.


    The
    Left
    Don't
    Have
    The
    Numbers
    That's a phrase we are going to hear a lot of over the next while


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    #5082
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users Posts: 11,148 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    That is what made the whole 'Vote left, transfer left' thing so laughable.

    Admittedly, it was a great hashtag for 'influencers' to spread their message, as it dumbed things down to a level that even an idiot could understand.

    In practice however it is completely pointless due to completely ignoring how widely different 'the left' is on policy and how there are so many ideologue attention seekers that could never work together for any necessary period of time.


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    #5083
    sondagefaux
    Registered Users Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭sondagefaux


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    The campaign for GE2020 — 2 has begun

    https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1227282177903206401?s=09

    He must be fed up the CSO couldn't release these figures a week ago.


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    #5084
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    jos28 wrote: »
    Sorry, I phrased my last post incorrectly, I meant to include the GP in the mix with SF which = 85. I had the impression that Labour could be persuaded but even with that how could they ever achieve any form of unified policies.

    Labour has said it will not support SF.
    SF does not have the numbers on the left to form a government.
    The only real choice is SF/FF/Greens , FG/FF/Greens or another election with SF blaming FF)FG for causing another election.


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    #5085
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 40,046 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    So could Leo Varadkar and the current cabinet which stays in place until a new one is formed be making the paddy's day trips around the world ?


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    #5086
    threeball
    Registered Users Posts: 8,228 ✭✭✭threeball


    sondagefaux wrote: »
    He must be fed up the CSO couldn't release these figures a week ago.

    Some of the people who voted Sinn Fein will believe these houses went up since the election counts started


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    #5087
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    So could Leo Varadkar and the current cabinet which stays in place until a new one is formed be making the paddy's day trips around the world ?
    Yep, although I'd say most of them won't happen, White House is the big deal.


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    #5088
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users Posts: 11,148 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Labour has said it will not support SF.
    SF does not have the numbers on the left to form a government.
    The only real choice is SF/FF/Greens , FG/FF/Greens or another election with SF blaming FF)FG for causing another election.

    Unless FF completely refuse to speak to SF, how will SF be able to spin it being other peoples fault (as usual)?

    If SF show themselves as being incapable of making a deal with multiple parties on the left and the parties more in the centre then it is time for them to look in the mirror on their negotiation strategy.

    Their history of acting like kids and sitting out in the north and london won't help them


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    #5089
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 40,046 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    sondagefaux wrote: »
    He must be fed up the CSO couldn't release these figures a week ago.

    Would it have made much difference in all honesty ? I mean if FG had got a few seats extra maybe and taken a few seats off the smaller parties and we might have a three way tie in seats.


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    #5090
    sondagefaux
    Registered Users Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭sondagefaux


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    You nicely skipped over SF having disastrous presidential, local, and euro elections since the last Dail. By the numbers of candidates they ran and the bonkers manifesto they also hadn't felt a dramatic increase in support on the doorsteps prior to the election being called.

    The ones that have their heads in the sand are those that see this as the new normal and don't have concerns that a decent proportion of this vote was protest and can disappear as quickly as it arrived.

    All those other elections are second-order elections as far as Irish voters are concerned.

    The supposed lack of a doorstep response before the election is irrelevant: Sinn Féin had a very good election campaign and could have won more seats if they had been more confident.

    I completely agree that this could be a temporary protest vote: too many SFers and their supporters are arrogantly assuming that this election result is the new normal. It's understable that they are crowing about the result and being cocky now, but they'd want to tone it down a bit very soon...


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    #5091
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users Posts: 19,569 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    So could Leo Varadkar and the current cabinet which stays in place until a new one is formed be making the paddy's day trips around the world ?

    Business trips easy, these fcuking trips are gold for our country.

    We have a great opportunity to project our country, and some tools can’t see the big picture.

    Jeez...


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    #5092
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    Unless FF completely refuse to speak to SF, how will SF be able to spin it being other peoples fault (as usual)?

    If SF show themselves as being incapable of making a deal with multiple parties on the left and the parties more in the centre then it is time for them to look in the mirror on their negotiation strategy.

    Their history of acting like kids and sitting out in the north and london won't help them

    SF are actively trying to form a government they even have a negotiation team according to the news,

    it's fairly obvious they can point at those that refused to talk as the cause of a new election.
    What part of the numbers don't exist on the left do you not understand? The parties in the centre FG/FF who have repeatedly stated they will not go in with SF.


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    #5093
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 40,046 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Brendan Bendar wrote: »
    Business trips easy, these fcuking trips are gold for our country.

    We have a great opportunity to project our country, and some tools can’t see the big picture.

    Jeez...

    Right okay so no opinion on how long the government will take to form ?


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    #5094
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users Posts: 19,569 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Right okay so no opinion on how long the government will take to form ?

    No easy, all I can say is it won’t be anytime soon.


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    #5095
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    The seats aren't there for a left coalition. How many times do people need to be told that.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/election2020/coalition-builder#/

    Quite true. A rise of 14 seats for SF and people go dizzy and think Ireland wants a left government. It didnt vote for one.

    Its almost as bad as the cant SF are putting out in a, repeat it often enough, and people will think its true : "the people voted for change". They did ??? WTF ??? 26 seats switched. That 26 seats out of 160 in the parliament.

    Thats 84% of the country voted for the status quo !!!

    But sure, When reason abandoned a quarter of the country, we shouldnt really expect a rational analysis of the results either.


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    #5096
    facehugger99
    Registered Users Posts: 7,326 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Water John wrote: »
    Not sure what type of policies would see all PBP TDs support a Govn't?

    Rich Boy Barrett practically shat himself on live radio at the prospect of Government.


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    #5097
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    SF are actively trying to form a government they even have a negotiation team according to the news,

    it's fairly obvious they can point at those that refused to talk as the cause of a new election.
    What part of the numbers don't exist on the left do you not understand? The parties in the centre FG/FF who have repeatedly stated they will not go in with SF.
    Not sure it would be wise to call out other parties, they stayed away from it this time.


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    #5098
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users Posts: 36,373 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    Unless FF completely refuse to speak to SF, how will SF be able to spin it being other peoples fault (as usual)?

    If SF show themselves as being incapable of making a deal with multiple parties on the left and the parties more in the centre then it is time for them to look in the mirror on their negotiation strategy.

    Their history of acting like kids and sitting out in the north and london won't help them

    Jim O'Callaghan was on Drivetime an hour ago. Highly agitated, whining about Venezuela and saying that even if FF did a U Turn and talked to SF, he wouldn't be part of it. Refused to say when the FF parliamentary party was meeting.

    Doesn't sound like FF are willing to talk. Maybe they think another election in a few weeks will be different?


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    #5099
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    That is what made the whole 'Vote left, transfer left' thing so laughable.

    Admittedly, it was a great hashtag for 'influencers' to spread their message, as it dumbed things down to a level that even an idiot could understand.

    In practice however it is completely pointless due to completely ignoring how widely different 'the left' is on policy and how there are so many ideologue attention seekers that could never work together for any necessary period of time.

    There plenty of room for the likes of SocDems, Labour and green to work together and even them and SF could find agreement on the big issues of the day. Health, housing and the likes


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    #5100
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Yep, although I'd say most of them won't happen, White House is the big deal.

    When does his big pension kick in?
    March?


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    #5101
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users Posts: 19,569 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    SF are actively trying to form a government they even have a negotiation team according to the news,

    it's fairly obvious they can point at those that refused to talk as the cause of a new election.
    What part of the numbers don't exist on the left do you not understand? The parties in the centre FG/FF who have repeatedly stated they will not go in with SF.

    Yes, they are, that’s what’s reported.

    Eoin O’Broin
    Pearce Doherty
    Louise O Reilly

    Are among those involved.

    Well done, they are doing something.


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