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GE Exit Poll 10 pm

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    #5132
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    Labour are the oldest party in the state. This is a fairly ridiculous comment

    Last one to leave the north, (aside from SF who actually have representation up there too).


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    #5133
    jos28
    Registered Users Posts: 7,195 ✭✭✭jos28


    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    Its a case of those who wont be able to get what they want making all the noise, struggling to accept the reality, and trying to show that they are trying against the odds.
    And those who know they have it in the bag not needing to make noise for the sake of it, and being involved instead in lower key, real business of forming a government.

    I get the impression that's what is happening in the background. I think that MM has been severely slapped by members of his party for back pedalling on Sunday. Are there FF/FG/GP negotiations going on quietly. MM will be happy with any combination so long as he gets to be Taoiseach - just my tuppence worth.


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    #5134
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Last I've heard from him were his evasive interviews on Sunday. Has he clarified his position since then?

    This may clarify things for MM.


    https://extra.ie/2020/02/11/news/irish-news/micheal-martin-fianna-fail-revolt


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    #5135
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users Posts: 16,583 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    This may clarify things for MM.


    https://extra.ie/2020/02/11/news/irish-news/micheal-martin-fianna-fail-revolt

    I still believe if Martin wants to force through a deal with SF he will be able to. None of those TDs said they would refuse to serve in a FF-SF government, which is the only meaningful stand against such a deal if the leader is determined to push it through.


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    #5136
    Edgware
    Registered Users Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    jos28 wrote: »
    I get the impression that's what is happening in the background. I think that MM has been severely slapped by members of his party for back pedalling on Sunday. Are there FF/FG/GP negotiations going on quietly. MM will be happy with any combination so long as he gets to be Taoiseach - just my tuppence worth.
    The people who voted F.F
    F.G. and Greens have a mandate too.
    If S.F don't like this they can go back to junior hurling


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    #5137
    Zetor19
    Registered Users Posts: 155 ✭✭Zetor19


    God only knows what the people in Brussels think now, they watched our back big time in the Brexit mess and we repay them by electing a bunch of scumbags to undo all that.


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    #5138
    jos28
    Registered Users Posts: 7,195 ✭✭✭jos28


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    I still believe if Martin wants to force through a deal with SF he will be able to. None of those TDs said they would refuse to serve in a FF-SF government, which is the only meaningful stand against such a deal if the leader is determined to push it through.

    That's exactly what they did say, their leader said it categorically on the major debates. As Jim O'Callaghan pointed out, they stood on the doorsteps of their constituents and told them they would NOT go into government with SF. MM risks a shove to remove him as leader if he doesn't adhere to his party principles.


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    #5139
    Plumbthedepths
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    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    I still believe if Martin wants to force through a deal with SF he will be able to. None of those TDs said they would refuse to serve in a FF-SF government, which is the only meaningful stand against such a deal if the leader is determined to push it through.

    Jack Chambers has, Jim O' has also refused to break his promise to his voters.


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    #5140
    Edgware
    Registered Users Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    Could SF and the Green's come to an agreement tough especially on issues regarding carbon taxes, electric cars charging points, etc.

    Not forgetting severe penalties for dumping waste from fuel laundering


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    #5141
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Zetor19 wrote: »
    God only knows what the people in Brussels think now, they watched our back big time in the Brexit mess and we repay them by electing a bunch of scumbags to undo all that.

    And everyone will be cool with the great wipeout crash FF?


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    #5142
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Zetor19 wrote: »
    God only knows what the people in Brussels think now, they watched our back big time in the Brexit mess and we repay them by electing a bunch of scumbags to undo all that.

    Get over yourself, if you are so concerned about Brussels I believe there are a few rentals free since the UK lads left. Dublin airport is fairly easy to get to.


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    #5143
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users Posts: 11,148 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    Labour are the oldest party in the state. This is a fairly ridiculous comment

    Do you understand the difference between the words 'all' and 'most', the latter used in the post you quoted?

    Look at the list of registered parties in Ireland, there is about a dozen left parties that have a scattering of seats at different levels. It is crazy that they can't solidify under one banner but that would require compromise, which they are generally incapable of.


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    #5144
    Suckit
    Registered Users Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Funny how many times FG mention about 'big boys'.. They are at best FF's cleaners, and it looks like that position is in jeopardy.
    They forget their own voters are watching them hide too, as they hope this government messes up, so they can come out of hiding and say "told you so..." - Yeah, big boys..
    They also seem to forget that this could be the norm from now on, so they will need to start playing ball soon, or face even less votes as their majority votes come from older people.
    Many SF voters have realised a long time ago for them things couldn't get any worse, so Fg should stop expecting this to change anytime soon.


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    #5145
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    And everyone will be cool with the great wipeout crash FF?

    Not everyone. The more discerning and sophisticated, yes. The are the closest match to the wishes of the electorate available.


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    #5146
    Plumbthedepths
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    Zetor19 wrote: »
    Can any of these newly elected thugs even read or write ? Honest question. Considering they never worked in a real job before they didn’t need it to draw the dole and commit crimes.

    Roscommon's SF TD. What's your qualifications?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claire_Kerrane


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    #5147
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    Beaker Sheahan in the Indo is saying Mary Lou is going to put pressure on FF to go into government by presenting them with a ready made coalition of themselves, the Greens, and Soc Dems.

    Ryan to get climate change, Shorthall for Health, and O’Broin for housing.

    FG and Labour are happy to go into opposition.


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    #5148
    Suckit
    Registered Users Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Jack Chambers has, Jim O' has also refused to break his promise to his voters.
    Jack Chambers is the perfect example of FF and FG blurred lines. He seems the perfect FG candidate.


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    #5149
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users Posts: 11,148 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    jos28 wrote: »
    I get the impression that's what is happening in the background. I think that MM has been severely slapped by members of his party for back pedalling on Sunday. Are there FF/FG/GP negotiations going on quietly. MM will be happy with any combination so long as he gets to be Taoiseach - just my tuppence worth.

    Don't see it happening behind closed like that.

    If they intend to go in with FG they'll also talk to SF. That will allow them to paint SF as having too many red lines and the only choice for the country is to go in with FG and GP. They need to paint SF as the bad guy or they'll get the blame for it.


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    #5150
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    Zetor19 wrote: »
    What about the scum that got elected like that no hoper in Clare, Dessie the bomber etc etc up the ra Cullinane.

    Shadow Minster for Defence ?


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    #5151
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    Zetor19 wrote: »
    What about the scum that got elected like that no hoper in Clare, Dessie the bomber etc etc up the ra Cullinane.

    There’s a load of them that will have no hope of getting a sniff of a ministry. The plan will be to keep them hidden and avoid any bloopers.


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    #5152
    Zetor19
    Registered Users Posts: 155 ✭✭Zetor19


    Maybe trade and commerce . Guns and drugs are a good trade these days I believe. Maybe this is where they plan raising finance for their ridiculous proposals. They have the expertise after all.


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    #5153
    limnam
    Registered Users Posts: 9,174 ✭✭✭limnam


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    There’s a load of them that will have no hope of getting a sniff of a ministry. The plan will be to keep them hidden and avoid any bloopers.

    Pitty FG couldn't hide thiers

    Although they tried


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    #5154
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users Posts: 11,148 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    Beaker Sheahan in the Indo is saying Mary Lou is going to put pressure on FF to go into government by presenting them with a ready made coalition of themselves, the Greens, and Soc Dems.

    Ryan to get climate change, Shorthall for Health, and O’Broin for housing.

    FG and Labour are happy to go into opposition.

    That makes sense at a theoretical divide but that was never going to be the hard part.

    All of those areas are going to have competing desires for funding to be successful, which is where I struggle to see how they'll agree to raise the necessary funds.


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    #5155
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users Posts: 19,569 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    Beaker Sheahan in the Indo is saying Mary Lou is going to put pressure on FF to go into government by presenting them with a ready made coalition of themselves, the Greens, and Soc Dems.

    Ryan to get climate change, Shorthall for Health, and O’Broin for housing.

    FG and Labour are happy to go into opposition.

    I would like the woman who doesn’t need to breathe Louise O’Reilly for health.

    There would be a fair auld Batther up if herself and O’Headha went head to head.

    The lettuce would have a lot of mayo on it.


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    #5156
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    limnam wrote: »
    Pitty FG couldn't hide thiers

    Although they tried

    Gone now, lads. Up to Mary Lou and her enforcers to keep the team marching to the same drum beat.


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    #5157
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users Posts: 16,583 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    jos28 wrote: »
    That's exactly what they did say, their leader said it categorically on the major debates. As Jim O'Callaghan pointed out, they stood on the doorsteps of their constituents and told them they would NOT go into government with SF. MM risks a shove to remove him as leader if he doesn't adhere to his party principles.
    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Jack Chambers has, Jim O' has also refused to break his promise to his voters.

    Did either of them say, specifically "If Micheal Martin forms a government with Sinn Fein, I will not serve in that government."? Just saying they're opposed to coalition with SF won't cut it if Martin is determined to force it through.

    Possible that they have, I'm not following things that closely...


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    #5158
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,208 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Brendan Bendar wrote: »
    I would like the woman who doesn’t need to breathe Louise O’Reilly for health.

    There would be a fair auld Batther up if herself and O’Headha went head to head.

    The lettuce would have a lot of mayo on it.

    Seriously, what does that kind of disparaging commentary do for you? What do you get out of it?


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    #5159
    Mantis Toboggan
    Registered Users Posts: 18,020 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Will be FF & FG along with the greens. There really is no other solution. Yeah people might not like Michael Martin but he will be the next taoiseach and most likely Coveney as taniste.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



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    #5160
    jos28
    Registered Users Posts: 7,195 ✭✭✭jos28


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    There’s a load of them that will have no hope of getting a sniff of a ministry. The plan will be to keep them hidden and avoid any bloopers.

    Not doing a good job of that so far. I would have thought that if new SF were to be taken seriously then MLM should have issued strict party guidelines on any 'up the Ra'/triumphalist displays. Any sign of the old SF and you're out !
    The behaviour of Dessie Ellis and David Cullinane only served to show people that 'they' haven't gone away.


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    #5161
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Mantis Toboggan wrote: »
    Will be FF & FG along with the greens. There really is no other solution. Yeah people might not like Michael Martin but he will be the next taoiseach and most likely Coveney as taniste.

    Such a government will cause a crash within a year or two. We wouldn't have the ghost estates problem though. Everybody homeless with no money to buy a pitchfork to fend off the roaming wolf packs, could be tricky.


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