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JohnnyFlash · 13-02-2020 11:19AM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Where are you getting that FG are taking this line?

Simon Harris says offer of grand coalition with Fianna Fail still stands

The blockage to an FF-FG deal is very much at the other end
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/election-2020/martin-now-on-the-brink-as-howlin-is-first-leader-to-fall-38952700.html

The Shinners are getting angsty about their bullshït promises being called out and held to account. Terrified of government. Not the actions of true republican parties like FG and FF. Hurlers on the ditch.

Water John · 13-02-2020 11:22AM

FG's first line is to force FF into the hands of SF. They then lead the opposition and being in Govn't will squeeze FF & SF.

13-02-2020 11:23AM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

The Shinners are getting angsty about their bullshït promises being called out and held to account. Terrified of government. Not the actions of true republican parties like FG and FF. Hurlers on the ditch.

FG a republican party, have you been on the opium balls again?

Yurt2 · 13-02-2020 11:23AM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

The Shinners are getting angsty about their bullshït promises being called out and held to account. Terrified of government. Not the actions of true republican parties like FG and FF. Hurlers on the ditch.

See above, a hard no to FF/ FG from the FG parliamentary party. You even conceded that opposition is where FG should be last night after taking posters down correct?

"It's now time for FG to enter opposition. We are a broad church, and the feeling is that FG's time in Government is over. Consider it the gap year while we go off and try and discover ourselves again"

From your own mouth. Spin away.

Stevieluvsye · 13-02-2020 11:25AM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

The Shinners are getting angsty about their bullshït promises being called out and held to account. Terrified of government. Not the actions of true republican parties like FG and FF. Hurlers on the ditch.

They are raging they did so well. They know if they fcuk up any government they could/will be in, that's them done for the next 20 years!

dxhound2005 · 13-02-2020 11:27AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Looks like FG can't even land the lead opposition party title, FF going to steal their thunder.
Keep the posters handy lads and lasses. GE mark 2 unless they cop on and grow up.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/election-2020/martin-now-on-the-brink-as-howlin-is-first-leader-to-fall-38952700.html

As I was saying last night this is the sort of sneering attitude we get from SF supporters.

McMurphy · 13-02-2020 11:28AM

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

They are raging they did so well. They know if they fcuk up any government they could/will be in, that's them done for the next 20 years!

Yeah, they looked real raging in the photos I seen at the count centre's.

The delusion is strong in this one.

Stevieluvsye · 13-02-2020 11:29AM

McMurphy wrote: »

Yeah, they looked real raging in the photos I seen at the count centre's.

The delusion is strong in this one.

They CANNOT deliver their manifesto. Pie in the sky. Full of sh!te

Plumbthedepths · 13-02-2020 11:32AM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

The Shinners are getting angsty about their bullshït promises being called out and held to account. Terrified of government. Not the actions of true republican parties like FG and FF. Hurlers on the ditch.

You find that calculator yet? The numbers ain't there for the Shinners to form government. Pretty much every commentator agrees SF don't have the required seats even with an alphabet soup combo. So what do you know that no one else knows?

Yurt2 · 13-02-2020 11:33AM

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

They are raging they did so well. They know if they fcuk up any government they could/will be in, that's them done for the next 20 years!

Johnny's cumman decided by consensus FG wanted a breather from government over a few glum pints last night.

Then he's back online the next day claiming FG want it.

I think we can all recognise a line of sh*te when we see it. FG want to slip off into opposition without it being noticed.

Loafing Oaf · 13-02-2020 11:33AM

Yurt! wrote: »

Whatever the soundbites they throw out to the media to save face, the parliamentary party appear to be clamoring for opposition...

A hard no according to one FG source...

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/diminished-fine-gael-preparing-for-a-period-in-opposition-1.4169178?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fireland%2Firish-news%2Fdiminished-fine-gael-preparing-for-a-period-in-opposition-1.4169178

A view has taken hold among members, TDs and defeated candidates that Fine Gael should rebuild and take the opportunity, should it arise, to attack Fianna Fáil and Sinn Féin from the opposition benches.
John Paul Phelan, the Minister of State for Electoral Reform, was blunt. Speaking after his re-election as a TD for Carlow-Kilkenny, where Fine Gael TD Pat Deering also lost out, Phelan said a grand coalition is now not an option.

“There will be no grand coalition,” he said. “People wanted change and that is what they voted for. I believe Fine Gael should go into opposition.”
Another party figure said a “hard no” was developing to the prospect of a grand coalition. Party sources also suggested Fine Gael is prepared to position itself as the pro-business party in the Dáil, in contrast to the left-wing policies of Sinn Féin and the centre left positions taken by Fianna Fáil

An anonymous source and a minister of state versus the health minister and the tanaiste?
https://www.newstalk.com/news/simon-coveney-fine-gael-open-talking-fianna-fail-964612

I have no doubt they would like to go into opposition, or more specifically would love SF and FF to form a government, but if FF finally rules that out, as it seems set to, and approaches FG with a serious offer, I'm confident you'll hear a very different tune from FG ranks...

McMurphy · 13-02-2020 11:34AM

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

They CANNOT deliver their manifesto. Pie in the sky. Full of sh!te

*Insert Regina Doherty quote here*

There's people raging alright, the shinners are most definitely not though, they have both FF/FG over a barrel.

See above, it's either one of the two enter coalition with SF, or FF/FG go in together with SF as the main opposition party.

Or its back to the polls.

That my friend is the reality, stop the nonsense about raging and pie in the sky stuff - it just undermines your attempt at having a coherent argument.

maccored · 13-02-2020 11:35AM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

As I was saying last night this is the sort of sneering attitude we get from SF supporters.

aye - as if there isnt a forum full of sneering at SF :rolleyes:

Yurt2 · 13-02-2020 11:35AM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

An anonymous source and a minister of state versus the health minister and the tanaiste?
https://www.newstalk.com/news/simon-coveney-fine-gael-open-talking-fianna-fail-964612

I have no doubt they would like to go into opposition, or more specifically would love SF and FF to form a government, but if FF finally rules that out, as it seems set to, and approaches FG with a serious offer, I'm confident you'll hear a very different tune from FG ranks...

I think it will be too difficult a pill for too many in FG to swallow being junior partner to FF. Could well tear the party apart.

Stevieluvsye · 13-02-2020 11:36AM

McMurphy wrote: »

*Insert Regina Doherty quote here*

There's people raging alright, the shinners are most definitely not though, they have both FF/FG over a barrel.

See above, it's either one of the two enter coalition with SF, or FF/FG go in together with SF as the main opposition party.

Or its back to the polls.

That my friend is the reality, stop the nonsense about raging and pie in the sky stuff - it just undermines your attempt at having a coherent argument.

Neither FF/FG will go in to government with SF. That's pretty much a fact. My guess will be FF/FG/Greens. If it's not that, then back to the polls

McMurphy · 13-02-2020 11:37AM

Yurt! wrote: »

I think it will be too difficult a pill for too many in FG to swallow being junior partner to FF. Could well tear the party apart.

This a coalition involving the two of them will in all likelihood have them either tear each other asunder, or they'll merge into one - there's the square root of shag all difference between them anyways.

storker · 13-02-2020 11:39AM

Yurt! wrote: »

I think it will be too difficult a pill for too many in FG to swallow being junior partner to FF. Could well tear the party apart.

Something to look forward to...

JohnnyFlash · 13-02-2020 11:39AM

The Shinners don’t want to go into government and try and deliver what they promised the electorate. Shower of blowhards. All they want to do is give out and moan and pretend they have solutions. Spoofers.

McMurphy · 13-02-2020 11:39AM

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

Neither FF/FG will go in to government with SF. That's pretty much a fact. My guess will be FF/FG/Greens. If it's not that, then back to the polls

You just repeated what I've been saying since before the election now:D

So SF might be going in as the opposition party while FFG tear themselves apart, or actually work together and implement change and reform in housing and health as they've been promising - forced to, by SF.

Or its back to the polls where the shinners could further erode their vote share.

SF would be raging at that scenario why exactly?

It's a win win for them no matter what.

Loafing Oaf · 13-02-2020 11:41AM

Yurt! wrote: »

I think it will be too difficult a pill for too many in FG to swallow being junior partner to FF. Could well tear the party apart.

A more difficult pill than precipitating another general election for which FG would receive the lion's share of the blame?

Anyway FF propped up an FG government fairly steadily for four years. I think very many in FG would see it as only fair to return the favour...

dxhound2005 · 13-02-2020 11:41AM

maccored wrote: »

aye - as if there isnt a forum full of sneering at SF :rolleyes:

One of their supporters complained about it last night. I simply pointed out that it is not all one-sided. They did not accept that there are any anti FF or FG posts which carry insulting and derogatory tones.

Plumbthedepths · 13-02-2020 11:43AM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

The Shinners don’t want to go into government and try and deliver what they promised the electorate. Shower of blowhards. All they want to do is give out and moan and pretend they have solutions. Spoofers.

Again have they the numbers if FF and FG/Lab go off the pitch?
Strange how you refuse to answer.

McMurphy · 13-02-2020 11:45AM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

One of their supporters complained about it last night. I simply pointed out that it is not all one-sided. They did not accept that there are any anti FF or FG posts which carry insulting and derogatory tones.

I personally am not seeing the insulting and derogatory tones you are seeing in what you quoted tbh.

LeinsterDub · 13-02-2020 11:52AM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

The Shinners don’t want to go into government and try and deliver what they promised the electorate. Shower of blowhards. All they want to do is give out and moan and pretend they have solutions. Spoofers.

It wasn't SF who ruled out coalition with FF or FG . FF and FG did , there is only one option left on the table FF - FG - plus others

Plumbthedepths · 13-02-2020 11:52AM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

One of their supporters complained about it last night. I simply pointed out that it is not all one-sided. They did not accept that there are any anti FF or FG posts which carry insulting and derogatory tones.

Hmm this directed at me, I'm not a SF supporter btw but I do despise FF and FG for how they have run this country. Less of the misrepresentation please I said I didn't see the abuse you referred to but I did state I was only following 4 of the threads. My issue was the derogatory terms being used against 25% of the voting public just because they exercised their franchise in a manner that many FF supporters here find objectionable.
My comment is still there unedited if you need to refresh your memory.

JohnnyFlash · 13-02-2020 11:52AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Again have they the numbers if FF and FG/Lab go off the pitch?
Strange how you refuse to answer.

FF, SF and the Greens. Simples.

SF supporters are terrified of coalition. Not too sure they’vegiven much thought to what a SF majority or a coalition of the left might look like either in time. A lack of thought seems to be the common thread.

Plumbthedepths · 13-02-2020 11:54AM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

FF, SF and the Greens. Simples.

SF supporters are terrified of coalition. Not too sure they’ve give much thought to what a SF majority or a coalition of the left might look like either. A lack of thought seems to be the common thread.

FF have ruled themselves out repeatedly, do you have a hearing/ reading difficulty?

McMurphy · 13-02-2020 11:56AM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

FF, SF and the Greens. Simples.

SF supporters are terrified of coalition. Not too sure they’vegiven much thought to what a SF majority or a coalition of the left might look like either in time. A lack of thought seems to be the common thread.

Lol.

Mary Lou McDonald contacts Micheál Martin for government formation talks

JohnnyFlash · 13-02-2020 11:56AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

FF have ruled themselves out repeatedly, do you have a hearing/ reading difficulty?

FF also have a responsibility to try and form a government with SF. The State doesn’t have time for this bullshït. This is big boy stuff, lads. The armchair punditry isn’t going to cut it anymore.

LeinsterDub · 13-02-2020 11:56AM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

FF, SF and the Greens. Simples.

SF supporters are terrified of coalition. Not too sure they’vegiven much thought to what a SF majority or a coalition of the left might look like either in time. A lack of thought seems to be the common thread.

FF have ruled that out! So it's up to FF to move . A government can't be formed until FF move

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