GE Exit Poll 10 pm

Elmer Blooker

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Mary Lou said on the BBC that those people have gone away. They served their purpose during the transition from military to politics. She told them that she is in charge now. I believe her.

Interesting that there was no mention whatsoever of an 'army council' after SF performed poorly in the Local Elections. :rolleyes:

Loafing Oaf

LeinsterDub wrote: »

That's 4

A sample. Not even sure who the guy on the right is or if he's still in the Dail. Couldn't find a photo with them all in, which is probably a relief for people trying to keep their breakfasts down.

A fuller list of potential candidates: Shanahan, O'Donoghue, Collins, Grealish, Fitzpatrick, Naughten, McGrath, Murphy, Lowry, Healy Rae Cap, Healy Rae Beard

A veritable soccer team of parish-pump primers out there, just waiting for the call to ride to their nation's rescue...

McMurphy

bubblypop wrote: »

100% of people I know told FF & FG that they would not support them going into government with Sinn Fein.
They are keeping to their promises & you have to admire them for that.

If there is another GE, it's a long game for FF FG.
Let them sit back & watch Sinn Fein in government, see how long they last.

Sounds like SF and their abstention stance.

Gets ridiculed here week in/week out by many of FG cheerleaders in particular.

Discuss.

seamus

LeinsterDub wrote: »

That's 4

Well the Healy-Raes can apparently be in two places at once; attending an event in Kerry and swiping into Leinster house to claim expenses at the same time. So that's 6 votes.

Pintman Paddy Losty

McMurphy wrote: »

Sounds like SF and their abstention stance.

Gets ridiculed here week in/week out by many of FG cheerleaders in particular.

Discuss.

I think SF are right to abstain from Westminister. That's their policy platform. Would never encourage them to go back on that which totally goes against their core values. Never suggested it, not even during brexit.

Water John

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

The fella on the right, Michael Collins topped the poll in Cork South West.
Look those four guys are blueshirts!

Loafing Oaf

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Mary Lou McDonald has said her preference was a government led by Sinn Fein without the other two. I know the parties of the left are a bit scattered into groups but there if not a majority government there is a minority one there so let them get that if they can.

SF has now definitively accepted that this can't happen
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/fianna-f%C3%A1il-arrogant-and-reckless-for-snubbing-sinn-f%C3%A9in-says-%C3%B3-broin-1.4173581?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Ffianna-f%25C3%25A1il-arrogant-and-reckless-for-snubbing-sinn-f%25C3%25A9in-says-%25C3%25B3-broin-1.4173581

Probably recognising that in encouraging SF to go down this road, FF and FG were setting an elephant trap for Mary Lou

Plumbthedepths

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

A veritable soccer team of parish-pump primers out there, just waiting for the call to ride their nation...

FYP. ;-)

Tony EH

shenanagans wrote: »

SF are left. FG are right. Talk about what???

They have completely different outlooks.....they couldn't form a program for govt.

Labour are left and Fine Gael are right and they've been in government a few times. In the 90's FG was even in power the Democratic Left.

So, they can talk to each other when they want to.

salmocab

seamus wrote: »

Well the Healy-Raes can apparently be in two places at once; attending an event in Kerry and swiping into Leinster house to claim expenses at the same time. So that's 6 votes.

You can accuse the Healy Raes of a lot of things but not of voting in the dail

McMurphy

shenanagans wrote: »

SF are left. FG are right. Talk about what???

They have completely different outlooks.....they couldn't form a program for govt.

Labour are members of the Party of European Socialists, yet they've governed with them (which looks like the kiss of death to them now mind you) and would do so again I reckon.

Square that circle please.

McMurphy

salmocab wrote: »

You can accuse the Healy Raes of a lot of things but not of voting in the dail

seamus wrote: »

Well the Healy-Raes can apparently be in two places at once; attending an event in Kerry and swiping into Leinster house to claim expenses at the same time. So that's 6 votes.

Enda Kenny too. Though Enda pulled off the amazing and enviable feat of being in different Feckin countries at the same time.

Sweet.Science

Fine Gael are right wing?

Tony EH

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Fine Gael are right wing?

They're neo liberal conservatives. So yes, they're on the right.

Ush1

These stories about the SF TDs are tip of the iceberg stuff I reckon.

SafeSurfer

Tony EH wrote: »

Labour are left and Fine Gael are right and they've been in government a few times. In the 90's FG was even in power the Democratic Left.

So, they can talk to each other when they want to.

Absolutely. The Democratic Left was formerly the Workers Party which was formerly Sinn Fein -The Workers Party. Democratic Left was formed after revelation of continued links between the workers party and the Official IRA. The collapse of communism throughout Europe also forced them to accept free market capitalism.

McMurphy

McMurphy wrote: »

For those of us who didn't hear it, anything in particular he was lying about?

Forgive me for being skeptical, considering your earlier posts In the thread, I'm leaning towards you spouting bollocks tbch.

I highly doubt he did not hear of the story which he claimed to not know about, refused to even attempt to discuss it then. He also basically blamed the paper for wiring the article rather than focus on the issue.

He claimed Over and over the vast majority of the country want change - wrong

He bizarrely claimed the vast majority of FF voters what change - wrong

He claimed that FF voters don’t want FF in government - bizarre

He claimed nobody in the county wants Varadkar - wrong, FG had almost the same percentage vote as SF so in other words just as many people want Leo and MLM.

That’s the bits I remember anyway.

is_that_so

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

SF has now definitively accepted that this can't happen
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/fianna-f%C3%A1il-arrogant-and-reckless-for-snubbing-sinn-f%C3%A9in-says-%C3%B3-broin-1.4173581?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Ffianna-f%25C3%25A1il-arrogant-and-reckless-for-snubbing-sinn-f%25C3%25A9in-says-%25C3%25B3-broin-1.4173581

Probably recognising that in encouraging SF to go down this road, FF and FG were setting an elephant trap for Mary Lou

They didn't need to, a child of six could add up the numbers.

Suckit

All the other parties should cry into their cornflakes and refuse to coalesce with the parties that got more votes than them, to show FG how ridiculous it looks.

I see Helen McEntee is 10/1 to be the next leader of FG :eek: She crept up fast. Ahead of Josepha, Harris and Murphy.

SafeSurfer

Sinn Fein are coming across as desperate now to get into government.
They campaigned on not having FF or FG in government and are now tripping over themselves to put FF in government.
It seems like a strange and hypocritical position.

Loafing Oaf

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Sinn Fein are coming across as desperate now to get into government.
They campaigned on not having FF or FG in government and are now tripping over themselves to put FF in government.

That'll die down pretty quick. They've accepted they can't form their 'united left' and they'll surely soon have to accept FF are not for turning on coalition.

Their line will soon turn to: "There's nothing more we can do. FF & FG, get on with it, or else give us another election."

Bobeagleburger

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Sinn Fein are coming across as desperate now to get into government.
They campaigned on not having FF or FG in government and are now tripping over themselves to put FF in government.
It seems like a strange and hypocritical position.

I think it's just posturing. Sinn Fein would be better off in opposition, and come back in a few years and try to win 60 seats.

super_furry

Mad how people are acting as if Sinn Fein have a mandate to form a majority government. They don't and neither does anyone else.

Mantis Toboggan

super_furry wrote: »

Mad how people are acting as if Sinn Fein have a mandate to form a majority government. They don't and neither does anyone else.

True FF have the most seats so the onus is on them to get moving but they're coming off their 2nd worst election in history and FG their worst election since the 40's so I'm sure they're still dissecting that.

They'd want to get a move on though, the longer they drag it out the worse it will look for them.

Plumbthedepths

super_furry wrote: »

Mad how people are acting as if Sinn Fein have a mandate to form a majority government. They don't and neither does anyone else.

Correct but all parties have a mandate to try and form a government, not to run off the pitch.

limnam

Grayson Tasty Springboard wrote: »

I
He claimed Over and over the vast majority of the country want change - wrong

80% of the country didn't vote for the current government.

If that's not a request for change by the majority. what is it?

is_that_so

The entertainment goes on. It makes me laugh with all the umbrage taken at the FF & FG positions.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0214/1115197-sf-ff-election-talks/

Plumbthedepths

FF honouring their promise not to go into government with FG., lol.


Éamon Ó Cuív says he's 'completely against' Fianna Fáil going into coalition with Fine Gael and Greens https://jrnl.ie/5007489

Horsebox9000

limnam wrote: »

80% of the country didn't vote for the current government.

If that's not a request for change by the majority. what is it?

Ha

celt262

limnam wrote: »

80% of the country didn't vote for the current government.

If that's not a request for change by the majority. what is it?

37.1% of the country didn't bother voting atall.