GE Exit Poll 10 pm

Edgware

olestoepoke wrote: »

More propaganda. The war is over. The politics of this country is steeped in armed conflict. All the parties at one time or another were involved in fighting but because SF is more recent well over 20 years ago it is used as a propaganda weapon. All getting a bit tedious really. The Irish Times, RTE and others were all part of the propaganda machine in the week before the election but it didn't work. I'd argue it did more harm than good to their cause. People seen right through their shameless propaganda campaign. I hope theres another election SF will get my 1st and 2nd vote and ill fill the ballot right down with every candidate except FF and FG. About time this country fought back with people power.

I can't remember the Greens being involved in any conflict except maybe vegans versus vegetarians. Get the big anti establishment chip off your shoulder. Every party has a mandate not only the Shinner. If people dont like S.F. policies maybe there is a reason for it.

Edgware

charlie14 wrote: »

You might be as well to leave out IS/PBP as well.
Mick Barry today on RTE radio was calling for people to take to the streets if there is not a government made up of only left wing parties.

What a gob****e? Ignore the democratic wishes by street protests.

CatFromHue

charlie14 wrote: »

You might be as well to leave out IS/PBP as well.
Mick Barry today on RTE radio was calling for people to take to the streets if there is not a government made up of only left wing parties.

His solution to everything is for people to take to the streets.

If there's too many people taking to the streets, he'd still recommend people to take to the streets.

Idbatterim

olestoepoke wrote: »

More propaganda. The war is over. The politics of this country is steeped in armed conflict. All the parties at one time or another were involved in fighting but because SF is more recent well over 20 years ago it is used as a propaganda weapon. All getting a bit tedious really. The Irish Times, RTE and others were all part of the propaganda machine in the week before the election but it didn't work. I'd argue it did more harm than good to their cause. People seen right through their shameless propaganda campaign. I hope theres another election SF will get my 1st and 2nd vote and ill fill the ballot right down with every candidate except FF and FG. About time this country fought back with people power.

look, the FFG crowd, keep pushing this angle, its something you either care about or dont, I wish they would stop trying to influence people with "but they are murderers" I am living in 2020, FFG are a farce and are seriously damaging many lives here now, TODAY! The scaremongering is farcical too, FFG talking about prudence? I dont even need to elaborate. Also SF cant do what they want, EU vets our budget, they needs other to prop them up, we have massive debt and it looks like we have a competent banking regulator. This scaremongering about what will happen with them if they get in, I wait to see with bated breath if they, will answer things once and for all... whether its positive or negative...

charlie14

Edgware wrote: »

What a gob****e? Ignore the democratic wishes by street protests.

Are you seriously advocating that people should take to the streets in protest because the party they voted for did not end up in a democratically elected government.?
Especially when this type of behaviour is being advocated by an irresponsible loudmouth who does not want to go into government with anybody.

Water John

If I was composing a cross party list of oddballs who have got elected Mick Barry would be on it. There is no logic there, at all.

O'Cuiv seems to a small minority of FF TDs who think FF should go in with SF. He expresssed his view at the parliamentary party meeting and it didn't prevail.

Suckit

How did Helen McEntee (among others) get voted in again. She seems to be incapable of speaking her own thoughts. Even today she was back repeating "the onus is on Sinn Fein to form a government, they wre elected by the people..." Could somebody please coach her in FG's latest line.
She is bd enough without having to repeat the repeated.

Another example of people voting for the party and not the person.

votecounts

only there because of what happened with her father tbh. gets way too way much credit on brexit for doing sfa

Brendan Bendar

Suckit wrote: »

How did Helen McEntee (among others) get voted in again. She seems to be incapable of speaking her own thoughts. Even today she was back repeating "the onus is on Sinn Fein to form a government, they wre elected by the people..." Could somebody please coach her in FG's latest line.
She is bd enough without having to repeat the repeated.

Another example of people voting for the party and not the person.

Did a great job in my opinion, put Louise O’Reilly in her box today and spoke sense all the way through.

First time I heard O’Reilly getting a new one chipped out for herself.

Well done Helen

omega man

Has the SF / left coalition been completely ruled out yet or are they all too busy deflecting responsibility by still blaming FF and FG (this time for not going into government replacing the previous get them out!)??

Plumbthedepths

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Did a great job in my opinion, put Louise O’Reilly in her box today and spoke sense all the way through.

First time I heard O’Reilly getting a new one chipped out for herself.

Well done Helen

FG supporter thinks FG TD did a great job, in other news scientists have discovered water is wet.

Yurt2

Mick Barry is indeed a bit much

Brendan Bendar

Yurt! wrote: »

Mick Barry is indeed a bit much

Pity the people in CNC don’t give that idiot the boot, all the guy does is attend picket lines irrespective of what the issues are.

Complete and utter tosser in my opinion.

Plumbthedepths

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Pity the people in CNC don’t give that idiot the boot, all the guy does is attend picket lines irrespective of what the issues are.

Complete and utter tosser in my opinion.

I see Alan Farrell was re-elected, despite his dodgy insurance claim. I would have thought the decent FG voters in his consistency would have baulked at voting for someone of such low morals. It really is party before person.

charlie14

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I see Alan Farrell was re-elected, despite his dodgy insurance claim. I would have thought the decent FG voters in his consistency would have baulked at voting for someone of such low morals. It really is party before person.

James Riley was the other option. A Hobson`s Choice.

Loafing Oaf

Suckit wrote: »

How did Helen McEntee (among others) get voted in again. She seems to be incapable of speaking her own thoughts. Even today she was back repeating "the onus is on Sinn Fein to form a government, they wre elected by the people..." Could somebody please coach her in FG's latest line.

Wow if she is that incapable of thinking on her feet FG handlers will indeed have to ensure she is rigorously coached before every interview...

Yurt2

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I see Alan Farrell was re-elected, despite his dodgy insurance claim. I would have thought the decent FG voters in his consistency would have baulked at voting for someone of such low morals. It really is party before person.

Farrell tried to hand over his council seat on the sly to his wife when he was elected as TD. His local cumann cockblocked his attempts to do so and then he immediately hired her as his parliamentary assistant. She promptly went on maternity leave I think I recall.

Say what you want about SF, but it is my understanding they don't allow family members to be hired as parliamentary assistants or secreteries (one of the most cynical and sleeveen practices in Leinster House) - parliamentary assistants are assigned to TDs from a pool of party workers / members.

Suckit

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I see Alan Farrell was re-elected, despite his dodgy insurance claim. I would have thought the decent FG voters in his consistency would have baulked at voting for someone of such low morals. It really is party before person.

I often work out that direction and there seems to be a genuine feeling of bemusement by so many out there.

The other FG option (as mentioned) was James Reilly, whom seems to be just taking space on the polling sheet, He is also the reason Farrell got in, in the first place.

Suckit

Yurt! wrote: »

Farrell tried to hand over his council seat on the sly to his wife when he was elected as TD. His local cumann cockblocked his attempts to do so and then he immediately hired her as his parliamentary assistant. She promptly went on maternity leave I believe.


Say what you want about SF, but it is my understanding they don't allow family members to be hired as parliamentary assistants (one of the most cynical and sleeveen practices in Leinster House) - parliamentary assistants are assigned to TDs from a pool of party workers / members.

Didn't Maria Bailey also hire her father as hers?
It was Farrells first act as TD. Surely Reilly has admitted defeat at this stage?
https://www.pressreader.com/ireland/irish-independent/20110314/285220189440604

Plumbthedepths

charlie14 wrote: »

James Riley was the other option. A Hobson`s Choice.

I didn't realise FG was so short on .....ahem talent.

olestoepoke

Edgware wrote: »

I can't remember the Greens being involved in any conflict except maybe vegans versus vegetarians. Get the big anti establishment chip off your shoulder. Every party has a mandate not only the Shinner. If people dont like S.F. policies maybe there is a reason for it.

That "chip" on my shoulder did not appear for no reason. Both FF and Fg have had their chance and made a mess of it. As for the Green Party they are only around since the early eighties, give them a chance they may take up arms soon. Time for change.

Bill 2.0

olestoepoke wrote: »

Both FF and Fg have had their chance and made a mess of it.

Was making us 3rd on the HDI making "a mess of it"?

charlie14

Suckit wrote: »

How did Helen McEntee (among others) get voted in again. She seems to be incapable of speaking her own thoughts. Even today she was back repeating "the onus is on Sinn Fein to form a government, they wre elected by the people..." Could somebody please coach her in FG's latest line.
She is bd enough without having to repeat the repeated.

Another example of people voting for the party and not the person.

How many people do you reckon voted for a particular candidate rather than a party ?
Very few I would surmise even for SF when you consider there were people topping the poll in excess of quota that eight months previous lost their local election seat.


I do not know what people expected of McEntee.She was hardly going to outline FG`s thougjts on forming a government over the national airwaves at this stage. She was no better nor worse than any of the rest when it came to running around saying nothing new.


The only thought I took from that programme ,was the number of people who are following this attempt to form a coalition of the left, on hearing Mick Barry would go WTF.

charlie14

olestoepoke wrote: »

That "chip" on my shoulder did not appear for no reason. Both FF and Fg have had their chance and made a mess of it. As for the Green Party they are only around since the early eighties, give them a chance they may take up arms soon. Time for change.

Somehow I cannot see the Green`s marching to arms with Mick Barry and manning the barricades anytime soon.:D

Mad_maxx

Suckit wrote: »

The same people shouting IRA and Terrorism fail to realise that everyone that voted SF already knew all of those connections before they voted, repeating it over and over isn't likely to make much difference. However, they also know the stories of all the dodgy deals, the corruption allegations, the expensive tribunals, the quangos, the cronyism, the nepotism, the wage hikes, the ridiculous overspending, the hospital queues, the homelessness numbers and the hundreds of other things that can be associated with FFFG.
The reason that most people that voted for SF this time, is because they are sick to death of FF, FF, FF, FG, FG, FF, FF, FF, FG etc. and those stories.
If FFFG continue with their refusal to entertain anyone but each other, it will very likely serve to remind people exactly of which stories they may have forgotten too. But that hasn't been so much the case yet.
In any case, mud slinging seems a bit impotent when used after the horse has bolted.

FG would definitely seem to be the ones with the most to lose if SF became a regular feature with the majority of voters. After this election, I would be willing to bet that their recruitment has been in overdrive. Expect a lot of changes when they come to fruition.
FF are undoubtedly the biggest party in the country in terms of elections, FG generally get in when their regular voters are joined by protest votes. This time the protest votes went to SF for obvious reasons, and could easily again, as more and more people see FF and FG as the same party.
So the more sh*t acting by them, the better it is for SF.
FG may be in a position now to sit on the sidelines shouting instructions about who the onus is on, but as mentioned, I think it will only serve to drop their figures even more in a party that is already losing popularity, that seems like a pretty dodgy game to be playing.
Leo has delivered the 2nd worst election campaign the party has ever seen in it's entire history, yet they still seem reluctant to blame him, Harris and Murphy. But insist on blaming the C&S, and well, anything else that they can point at.
I wonder who they will blame when this all goes tits up for them too..

FF stand to loose the most by far from a thriving SF

SF do populism even better than FF

they obviously do the united ireland goal better as well

FF are becoming pointless

olestoepoke

Bill 2.0 wrote: »

Was making us 3rd on the HDI making "a mess of it"?

The HDI is flawed in many ways. It measures health using life expectancy at birth and measures economic conditions using GDP per capita, so a healthy GDP but thousands homeless, getting ill without any kind of medical insurance is a nightmare and rich landlords, hotel owners and private families running direct provision centres clean up at the taxpayers expense. Meanwhile, the state is projected to spend 3.5bn on rent subsidies to these private landlords over the next five years. Without a radical commitment to a huge public housing programme, this staggering misuse of public resources will continue. Average income can also be hugely misleading, does not illustrate the many inequalities in a society. HDI has many flaws so being 3rd on it is not as great as you may think.

Jizique

charlie14 wrote: »

How many people do you reckon voted for a particular candidate rather than a party ?
Very few I would surmise even for SF when you consider there were people topping the poll in excess of quota that eight months previous lost their local election seat.


I do not know what people expected of McEntee.She was hardly going to outline FG`s thougjts on forming a government over the national airwaves at this stage. She was no better nor worse than any of the rest when it came to running around saying nothing new.

The only thought I took from that programme ,was the number of people who are following this attempt to form a coalition of the left, on hearing Mick Barry would go WTF.

Yeah, I mean how long have we been giving out to the people of Tipp for voting for Lowry and Kerry for the Healy Rae(s); local politicians who look after local issues better left to the council, the local GAA star etc - finally, people are voting for a party, not the individual; for the policy platform and not the local yokel - I am not sure this is a bad development

Loafing Oaf

charlie14 wrote: »

I do not know what people expected of McEntee.She was hardly going to outline FG`s thougjts on forming a government over the national airwaves at this stage. She was no better nor worse than any of the rest when it came to running around saying nothing new.

If she's following the news she should know that SF has admitted it's bid to put together a left government has failed. Obviously some sort of updated holding statement was required, and if she couldn't come up with one herself that's what party spin doctors are there for...

Jinglejangle69

Ah pop in again, and STILL the usual SF comrades slating FG even though they got the boot.

Such a strange thing.

Makes me wonder.

Amyway thanks for the giggle:)

Plumbthedepths

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Ah pop in again, and STILL the usual SF comrades slating FG even though they got the boot.

Such a strange thing.

Makes me wonder.

Amyway thanks for the giggle:)

The giggle I had was when you claimed SF were raising the inheritance tax from 3% to 36%. You do know the rate is not 3% even now , many times higher.