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    #6752
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,179 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Martin Lanigan wrote: »
    If the lady in question makes her legacy tweets public again without any cleansing then I’ll provide proof.

    She claimed Jewish bankers controlled and put Hitler into power. Israel did not exist in the 1930’s, you attempt to muddy the waters is not working.

    The Dáil is littered with people who were allowed to move on from 'saying the wrong thing' 'financial dodgyiness' and other improprieties.
    The lady has apologised and stated these are no longer her views.


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    #6753
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,971 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Hoping SF will be able to form a Gov after the inevitable (I think) next election.

    To be fair, they need a chance to prove their manifesto and their approach to solving all our ills. Change is good but needs to be proven too.

    Onwards we go!


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    #6754
    n97 mini
    Registered Users Posts: 8,295 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    jcullen222 wrote: »
    Another GE then.

    Possibly, though my money is on FF/Green/Independents, maybe with SD thrown in. Good odds on Paddy Power too.


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    #6755
    n97 mini
    Registered Users Posts: 8,295 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    The lady has apologised and stated these are no longer her views.

    That's kind of convenient. A lot of people will be skeptical though. I'd rather if someone was honest about their views rather than pretend they no longer have those views, just to suit the audience. That's the last thing I can tolerate.


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    #6756
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Martin Lanigan wrote: »
    If the lady in question makes her legacy tweets public again without any cleansing then I’ll provide proof.

    She claimed Jewish bankers controlled and put Hitler into power. Israel did not exist in the 1930’s, you attempt to muddy the waters is not working.

    She didn't. Stop your lying.

    Her exact words were "Those wars were instigated and funded by the banks of royal families of Europe."

    She didn't say what you claimed, nor did she deny the holocaust like you also claimed. She may be a gobshite, that bangs on about fluoride in the water and other nonsense. But she's nowhere near what you are lying about.

    Until more tweets from her come out, there is nothing to suggest what you're saying has any truth to it. But I suspect you're just another re reg troll, who's content has left a lot to be desired so far.


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    #6757
    L1011
    Registered Users Posts: 69,045 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    The lady has apologised and stated these are no longer her views.

    The fact that they were ever her views (all of the nonsense that's been dragged up) suggests she is unsuitable to hold public office. Easily lead and reactionary.


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    #6758
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,179 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    n97 mini wrote: »
    That's kind of convenient. A lot of people will be skeptical though. I'd rather if someone was honest about their views rather than pretend they no longer have those views, just to suit the audience. That's the last thing I can tolerate.

    Skepticism about the real beliefs of politicians is something that is healthy to have. All of them.

    The point I was making that she has done what others have done and have been allowed to move on. And nobody tried to imply that a TD speaking out of line represented the views of the party. But that seems to be always the case with a Shinner when one of theirs messes up.

    Make your own mind up about that.


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    #6759
    Martin Lanigan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 231 ✭✭Martin Lanigan


    Tony EH wrote: »
    She didn't. Stop your lying.

    Her exact words were "Those wars were instigated and funded by the banks of royal families of Europe."

    She didn't say what you claimed, nor did she deny the holocaust like you also claimed. She may be a gobshite, that bangs on about fluoride in the water and other nonsense. But she's nowhere near what you are lying about.

    Until more tweets from her come out, there is nothing to suggest what you're saying has any truth to it. But I suspect you're just another re reg troll, who's content has left a lot to be desired so far.

    Convenient that you can say with certainty that she didn’t say x or y when her tweets have been made private.

    Let’s see the proof that I am lying.


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    #6760
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,179 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    L1011 wrote: »
    The fact that they were ever her views (all of the nonsense that's been dragged up) suggests she is unsuitable to hold public office. Easily lead and reactionary.

    Well don't vote for her.
    I didn't vote for several candidates here for that reason.


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    #6761
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,081 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Unless two of either Sinn Fein, Fianna Fail and Fine Gael go in together, I can't see any sort of coalition being formed. For one of the big 3 to go in without the one of the others, it will require all the other parties and independents or some sort of confidence and supply agreement. I just can't see it happening.


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    #6762
    L1011
    Registered Users Posts: 69,045 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    AlmightyCushion wrote: »
    Unless two of either Sinn Fein, Fianna Fail and Fine Gael go in together, I can't see any sort of coalition being formed. For one of the big 3 to go in without the one of the others, it will require all the other parties and independents or some sort of confidence and supply agreement. I just can't see it happening.

    Even if there was an ABFFG thing occurring, the number of Independents that are FF or FG genepool ensures that there is no majority. McGrath, Healey Rae 1&2, Naughten, Lowry, Murphy wouldn't touch such a grouping and it seems that Berry and Canney wouldn't either.

    FF+ragbag and FG+ragbag would also fail due to the split line in those FF/FG genepool independents.

    This isn't 1948 where there just about was an ABFF with the most cobbled together coalition going.


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    #6763
    Martin Lanigan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 231 ✭✭Martin Lanigan


    L1011 wrote: »
    Even if there was an ABFFG thing occurring, the number of Independents that are FF or FG genepool ensures that there is no majority. McGrath, Healey Rae 1&2, Naughten, Lowry, Murphy wouldn't touch such a grouping and it seems that Berry and Canney wouldn't either.

    FF+ragbag and FG+ragbag would also fail due to the split line in those FF/FG genepool independents.

    This isn't 1948 where there just about was an ABFF with the most cobbled together coalition going.

    Maybe SF will provide confidence and supply to the coalition. In the interests of the country.


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    #6764
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,081 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Martin Lanigan wrote: »
    Maybe SF will provide confidence and supply to the coalition. In the interests of the country.

    I can't see that happening.


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    #6765
    n97 mini
    Registered Users Posts: 8,295 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Skepticism about the real beliefs of politicians is something that is healthy to have. All of them.

    The point I was making that she has done what others have done and have been allowed to move on. And nobody tried to imply that a TD speaking out of line represented the views of the party. But that seems to be always the case with a Shinner when one of theirs messes up.

    Make your own mind up about that.

    My own mind would say SF should have suspended her for 3 months, at the very least. Same with yer one in Clare. SF seem to be doing Renua levels of vetting (ie feck all) of candidates.


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    #6766
    L1011
    Registered Users Posts: 69,045 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    n97 mini wrote: »
    My own mind would say SF should have suspended her for 3 months, at the very least. Same with yer one in Clare. SF seem to be doing Renua levels of vetting (ie feck all) of candidates.

    Cronin was a Councillor for 5 years - they were perfectly OK with her until the national media had reason to raise an issue. Champion wasn't going to cover it because she bought ads!


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    #6767
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    AlmightyCushion wrote: »
    Unless two of either Sinn Fein, Fianna Fail and Fine Gael go in together, I can't see any sort of coalition being formed. For one of the big 3 to go in without the one of the others, it will require all the other parties and independents or some sort of confidence and supply agreement. I just can't see it happening.


    the sennanagins in the Dail today was just an charade. Ryan pretending he was going to be our number one leader was a joke. He can later use it as a fig leaf when he goes into a coalition with FF/FG, no other combination will hold water for more than a few weeks.


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    #6768
    Martin Lanigan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 231 ✭✭Martin Lanigan


    AlmightyCushion wrote: »
    I can't see that happening.

    They should be putting the country first, just like they were calling on FF and FG to do only last week. What is good for the goose ...


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    #6769
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,081 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    the sennanagins in the Dail today was just an charade. Ryan pretending he was going to be our number one leader was a joke. He can later use it as a fig leaf when he goes into a coalition with FF/FG, no other combination will hold water for more than a few weeks.

    Doesn't that always happen though? It's not like they expect everyone to vote for Ryan but they don't vote for another party's leader until a coalition has been decided. It would be a bit stupid if they voted for Michael Martin and then a few weeks from now go into coalition with Sinn Fein or Fine Gael and vote for Mary Lou or Varadker.


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    #6770
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Martin Lanigan wrote: »
    If the lady in question makes her legacy tweets public again without any cleansing then I’ll provide proof.

    She claimed Jewish bankers controlled and put Hitler into power. Israel did not exist in the 1930’s, you attempt to muddy the waters is not working.

    Still no proof of her denying the Holocaust as you claimed. Easy to dismiss you tbh.


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    #6771
    n97 mini
    Registered Users Posts: 8,295 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    L1011 wrote: »
    Cronin was a Councillor for 5 years - they were perfectly OK with her until the national media had reason to raise an issue. Champion wasn't going to cover it because she bought ads!

    And still is. Full page "Thank you" ad in the most recent edition.


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    #6772
    Martin Lanigan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 231 ✭✭Martin Lanigan


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Still no proof of her denying the Holocaust as you claimed. Easy to dismiss you tbh.

    Yeah, strange that she, Mary Lou and McDoherty felt the need to apologise. Clearly nothing to see here.


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    #6773
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Martin Lanigan wrote: »
    Yeah, strange that she, Mary Lou and McDoherty felt the need to apologise. Clearly nothing to see here.

    Was her apology relating to a denial of the Holocaust? Easily linked if it is the case.


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    #6774
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,719 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Tony EH wrote: »
    She didn't. Stop your lying.

    Her exact words were "Those wars were instigated and funded by the banks of royal families of Europe."

    She didn't say what you claimed, nor did she deny the holocaust like you also claimed. She may be a gobshite, that bangs on about fluoride in the water and other nonsense. But she's nowhere near what you are lying about.

    Until more tweets from her come out, there is nothing to suggest what you're saying has any truth to it. But I suspect you're just another re reg troll, who's content has left a lot to be desired so far.

    So we agree she is another anti-vax lunatic and an anti-semite to boot, as well as having David Icke type views on the Royal Families.
    A great addition to our Dail! :D

    These new SF TD's are the gift that keeps on giving. I can imagine the shock and horror of people who voted for these lunatics, they move their vote elsewhere unless MLD fires them from SF.


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    #6775
    Martin Lanigan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 231 ✭✭Martin Lanigan


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Was her apology relating to a denial of the Holocaust? Easily linked if it is the case.

    She (and they) had the sense not to repeat her offensive comments in the apology.


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    #6776
    Martin Lanigan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 231 ✭✭Martin Lanigan


    Strange, she has now deleted her twitter account.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/readacronin?lang=en


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    #6777
    limnam
    Registered Users Posts: 9,172 ✭✭✭limnam


    markodaly wrote: »
    These new SF TD's are the gift that keeps on giving. I can imagine the shock and horror of people who voted for these lunatics, they move their vote elsewhere unless MLD fires them from SF.

    You seem to be grossly overestimating how much people care about it.

    There's so much going on at the moment even Ivan can't seem to resurrect it.

    It's not sticking. People don't give a fck. They're looking at 1500-2000 going out of their bank a month to rent a suit case with doors.

    They're watching loved ones die on trollys. Or their child's chemo get cancelled.

    They're going to graves of young women who died so we could save a few bob while we add 25bn on to our debts.

    These people don't give a fck what someone said on twitter.


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    #6778
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Martin Lanigan wrote: »
    She (and they) had the sense not to repeat her offensive comments in the apology.

    Comments you claimed she made but can't provide proof of? lol.


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    #6779
    Martin Lanigan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 231 ✭✭Martin Lanigan


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Comments you claimed she made but can't provide proof of? lol.

    She has deleted her Twitter account and all the 125k plus tweets. How do you expect me to provide proof when she / SF have deleted all the proof?


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    #6780
    limnam
    Registered Users Posts: 9,172 ✭✭✭limnam


    Martin Lanigan wrote: »
    She has deleted her Twitter account and all the 125k plus tweets. How do you expect me to provide proof when she / SF have deleted all the proof?

    So now you're going to make up any auld rubbish that was on the feed but have no proof of it?


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    #6781
    Martin Lanigan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 231 ✭✭Martin Lanigan


    limnam wrote: »
    You seem to be grossly overestimating how much people care about it.

    There's so much going on at the moment even Ivan can't seem to resurrect it.

    It's not sticking. People don't give a fck. They're looking at 1500-2000 going out of their bank a month to rent a suit case with doors.

    They're watching loved ones die on trollys. Or their child's chemo get cancelled.

    They're going to graves of young women who died so we could save a few bob while we add 25bn on to our debts.

    These people don't give a fck what someone said on twitter.

    Keep believing that. But Reada Cronin will not be nominated if there is another election.


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